Anyone heard or read about Theresa May's husband will no doubt be aware of his export empire hidden under a sugar company.
Also there's way too many factors involved surrounding use.
I am debating whether to book a consultation for medicinal use.
Apparently, over in Canberra they have decriminilized cocaine as an experiment. They didn't want to appear eliteist so they have included Ice and heroin too.
They have also done something positive over there regarding the use of physchodelics for use with pshychtherapy.
Go Oz, leading the way.
I watched a video on Vice news about a German weed dealer who said that he needed to get out of the business as all the weed he was selling was cheap Albanian crap that was sprayed with synthetics. The demand by all accounts was very 'high' for the stuff.
Nasty Fentanyl shite sprayed worldwide
So a friend told me cough cough
I though that heroin is the synthetic version of opium?
Afaik, the whole “queen Victoria smoking cannabis to ease her menstrual cramps” turned out to be an urban myth.
Pre-petrochemical era, most medicines contained marijuana (coca-cola and tinctures of opium, too!).
Opiates, such as morphine and codeine, are natural opioids found in the opium poppy. Synthetic opioids, such as methadone, are chemically made. Heroin is a semi-synthetic opioid: it is made from morphine that has been chemically processed.
Best reference is Terence McKenna’s ‘Food of the Gods’.
Puts all these drugs into their historical context.
for me, only offering alcohol as the only legal recreational drug, discriminates against men and the disabled,
for men, all that alcohol does is make their testes shrink, placing them on a continuum of misogyny somewhere between Andy Capp and Jack the Kipper. Give them a car and they think they’re Ted Bundy.
how does alcohol discriminate agains the disabled?
it makes it quite difficult to navigate a slippery toilet, even with a walking stick.
the only work-around is to replace the wheelchair with a commode. Davros-style?
I though that heroin is the synthetic version of opium?
Not really... to my basic knowledge, heroin is refined opium.
If you are in hospital and need strong pain killers, you might be given Codeine or Morphine depending on the severity of the pain, but they are all what is called 'opioids', and are all basically 'Heroin'.
Now we have synthetics such as Fentanyl which can be hundreds of times stronger.
It makes a very strong argument for regulated 'safe' drugs for people with addiction isssues.
I know, as I lost my younger brother to hard drugs...he died of an accidental overdose in a squalid flat in Bradford, the toxicology report mentioned morphine, cocaine, and serveral different types of temazepam/diazepam type stuff.
Incredible the number of people on cycling forum clued up about recreational drugs.
Is there a connection ?
The same detrimental effect on men can be caused by cocaine and/ or solvents.
It’s not the ‘drugs’ we consumed in this lifetime, but the quite staggering amount from previous incarnations.
It left some of us with an unquenchable thirst for urban planning…
(viewer discretion advised)
Wouldn't touch heroin nit needles with a 5000 metre pole
It smells pure toxic one time I watched a friend setup in front of me outta the blue
Nasty nasty stuff
Morphine is processed opium. Heroin is morphine with an extra OH group added. IIRC. Heroin ( diamorphine) is used medically.
Fentanyl is 1000 times stronger - doses are in microgrammes not milligrames hence if you have a poor batch of heroin and decide to spice it up a bit with fentanyl its very easy to get dosages very wrong hence the ODs on fentanyl
I think its a bit alarmist to say all illegal drugs are contaminated. I do not believe this is so. Recreational drug takers are quite discerning about their stuff ( not addicts - they will take any old shite )
Look on wedinos results, most stuff is not cut with other stuff.
I can get weed on prescription now in Germany (private prescription, the public health insurance won't cover the costs).
Got my delivery today.
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'roach' !
Incredible the number of people on cycling forum clued up about recreational drugs.
Is there a connection ?
I doubt it. Just that a significant % of the population take drugs - and I also had a professional interest that let me to read up on a lot of stuff and took me into corners of this world many never see
Do we think weed will ever be sold legally in th U.K. I think it is only a matter of time.
We have (restricted) legal access to nicotine and alcohol, which also raises taxes which “could” be used to help with rehab and wider issues.
There are costs to the NHS, society and the environment too.
Yes. Its coming.
Do we think weed will ever be sold legally in th U.K. I think it is only a matter of time.
I can buy it on private prescription from curaleaf so its already legal in the uk if you have a prescription.
The legalisation for recreational use in Germany and Spain is based on being a member of cannabis growers club. It was only legalised a few months ago so it will probably be December before I can get any from that source and I don't think it will be any cheaper than the prescription route. Possession now isn't a problem, and neither is vaping in public (apart from close to schools).
They only allow the cannabis bud to be distributed, no edibles which IMO is the most stupid implementation I can imagine, and encourages people to smoke or vape it, which while not as bad as tobacco for health still isn't great. And when I started smoking tobacco as a younger man, it was because I had first started smoking cannabis.
I have bought an oil infuser now, which I much prefer to vaping, it takes an hour or 2 to feel the effects, but it is a more pleasant high IMO.
I have been in a fair bit of pain for a month or 2 with a back problem, and I find it helps me sleep. However the quality of sleep when using cannabis isn't great, just quite a bit better than suffering through the pain.
When the CDU return to power next year, they will probably outlaw it again though.
I thought this might add to this discussion. Its one of my bugbears with prohibition - it wastes so much police time
Brian Paddick has made a lot of sense during his career. Very progressive, sensible policies put forward which have been inevitably shot down to pander to the right.
It baffles me that the US, which for half a century pushed the 'reefer madness' narrative, finally legislated for legalization in many states while most of Europe and the UK trails behind.
Unfortunately, due to the influence of right-wing rags like the Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. we are unable as a country to have a grown up debate on this.
It is v complex and not one that is solved as has been discussed by prohibition. Not mentioned much though is risk in the workplace from drugs that are not legal. Whilst the railways and big construction companies have policies, education, testing and even where more enlightened, support programmes, thousands of small-medium companies don't have anything in place. Where physical jobs, heavy machinery etc is in use, the amount of risk introduced where people are still intoxicated must be immense. Nick at https://positivematters.co.uk/about-us/ really knows his stuff if that sounds of interest to anyone.
Testing is reasonable, but only for safety issues IMO, and then the test should be for levels causing impairment, not for having a puff yesterday
The war on drugs has failed.
Au contrarie, I like their music and they do seem very successful.
France are restricting areas where people can smoke tobacco from 1st July, with fines of 135 Euros.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7873veygv2o
What is a recreational drug?
something that gently wrenches one out from one’s goal driven mindset?
maybe the answer comes from the most unlikely source:
anti-psychotic medications.
these arent just one drug, they’re actually combinations of multiple different kinds of drug, each trying to block a distinct neural pathway.
the problem with such drugs like Olanzapine is that each component drug within the medication tends to be antagonistic to the other.
so users find they may double in weight, be drowsy, anxious, euphoric, alert, etc.
seperate, these components out, and you will have a large panapoly of treatments for every modern ailment; “I need to study/ I can’t switch off/ I’m too energetic/ I’m too fatigued…”
sadly, the pharmaceutical companies have never explored the potential of each component. Possibly quite a lucrative potential.
Users of anti-psychotics conmonely complain of extremely dry sinuses. So much so that they feel like they’re choking as they drift off to sleep.
naybe not a cure, but possibly a means to alleviate cystic fibrosis?
likewise, a different combination of components drugs is found in Clozapine.
users report that this is quite possibly the greatest recreational drug they’ve ever experienced, the only downside being the risk of developing a fatal autoimmune condition. Hence the regular blood checks as a condition of it being licenced.
but, if you’ve got three months left due to cancer…wow!
but in the meantime, legalising cannabis is the closest thing you’ll get to clozapine, albeit with a different side effect profile.
I've never taken clozapine but I know many many people who do. I've never heard one of them describe it as any kind of fun. They either take it and tolerate the side effects in order to live as well as possible, or avoid taking it.
The side effect most likely to cause death is constipation.
My brother died destitute, from a cocktail of smack, coke and and black market downers, so I've avoided this thread so far.
We (as in my family and I at the time) did everything we could and it was useless. The police didn't care, they just wanted him off their books, and to be fair it's a social services issue rather then a criminal issue, IMO, but guess what..there's not much of that...
I'm of the firm view this should be tackled as a public health issue rather then a criminal issue. Take the control from the dealers. regulate, control...rehabilitate... the overall cost to society would be far less if we can get over it and tackle it.
The irony is my grandma put 4 grand into his account to help him relocate/get a new flat in a new town or whatever... it was still in his account when he died...he was so out of it he didn't even realise he had a means of escape, or to buy more drugs. my dad had disowned him by that point, and I just didn't know what to do.
I'm no angel, I did E's and speed and a bit of coke when I was younger but somehow I snapped out of it... I sometimes drink more than I probably should, and it's not unknown for me to smoke the occasional doobie but for those that truly do have a problem... there's just no real help.
I just think the money spent on enforcement would be better spent on education, health and social care.
And the violence in the black market drug trade, it's a different world, it really is... - that can be stopped if we give addicts proper councilling and free drugs in a controlled manner.
And work place drug testing, outside of operating machinery etc... I've worked in offices where if they did a supprise test, they'd have to fire half the workforce on the spot, lol!
The war on drugs hasn't failed, it's won. Drugs won.
I can't edit now.. I didn't realise this was a bumped thread, I thought it was new!
So correction, yes I have posted in this thread before!
Drugs like Clozapine (actually a combination of many other drugs) cause a whole panapoly of effects. Some wanted, most unwanted.
the trick is to select the specific drug which blocks specific neuroreceptors.
that’s closer to the model of antidepressant SSRI’s. really getting down to finding what neuroreceptors need to be blocked, and discarding all the other irrelevant stuff (weight gain, restless legs, constipation, fatigue, drowsiness, dry palate). That’s discrimination used correctly.
you may need restless legs for the “ten under the Ben”, but whether accessing ‘Largactil’ in its standard form, or by travel sickness meds, means that you also get a bunch of other effects.
If only we could pick and choose these neuroreceptor blocking agents in an over the counter form…
worth noting that nicotine boosts dopamine, making all other drugs feel super-duper.
hence its status as a ‘gateway drug’.
