Ninfan read the links. Look at the prosecutions. It's incontrovertible
Not defending any of it.
Neither myself.
I do find it interesting when you look at N America, Europe, Russia etc, the hunter still goes out to the wild place and exercises the hunt. In the UK we've removed most obstacles, massively over stocked and reduced the skill of the hunt to a final shot....
Look at the prosecutions. It’s incontrovertible
Sounds like Tommy Robinson Muslim rape gang style logic there.
Hey Ninfan I thought you were a scientist! Now have a look at the data and critique it if you like. Draw valid conclusions from the data. don't just make stuff up
Squirrelking
Sorry I took it that you were being deliberately obtuse rather than busy
Lost nuance in text again
It's fine, it was a very long weekend.
The moors around where I live are essentially an all you can eat buffet for Hen Harriers. Strange that in 25 years on living here and spending a lot time running, biking and walking up on the hills. I’ve only ever heard one once in all that time (it was foggy but their call is pretty distinctive). I grew up bird watching so I always have half an eye Looking out for birds.
Wow, been a while since Zulu Eleven made an appearance. Predictable on this thread though I guess.
But about this on Countryfile at the moment. Not painting gamekeepers in a good light…
There was a similarly emphatic report on Channel 4 news on Friday I think it was.
This is a transcript of the essential part, Hagen being North Yorkshire Police
Alex Thomson: Inspector Hagen told us that of 30 birds he’s collected in the past six months, only one has died of natural causes and his investigations lead clearly to a single group of suspects.
Matt Hagen: All the shooting investigations that we’ve got going on at the moment are involving gamekeepers on grouse moors.
Alex Thomson: All of them?
Matt Hagen: All of them.
Alex Thomson: Every single one?
Matt Hagen: That’s right.
@jimw Aye, pretty much the same conversation had on Countryfile.
Not a good look for shooting moors. I wonder whether the current populist government might be more minded to do something about this.
Look at the prosecutions. It’s incontrovertible
Sounds like Tommy Robinson Muslim rape gang style logic there.
If you say so. Trump fan, aren’t you? It’s his level of deductive reasoning. #rollseyes
40 hen harriers gone
White tailed eagle killed on a grouse moor by poisoning
https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/2020/07/27/satellite-tagged-white-tailed-eagle-found-poisoned-on-grouse-moor-in-cairngorms-national-park/
Just ban it ffs.
Licensing will do so long as its properly done. Dead raptor means no license and no income
One evening I was having my evening meal in a hotel in Anglesey. In the dining room were a large group of shooters who spent the period I was eating boasting of the birds they had "accidentally" shot. It included a large number of birds of prey and protected species. If people who hunt cannot behave responsibly maybe it's time to stop all hunting?
Just ban it ffs.
Tory landowners entertaining Tory-voting landed gentry with a Tory Government in power.
No chance.
In Scotland its devolved.
And a golden in perthshire
Ninfan - want to defend this?
In the last month, I've moved from a small town in Hampshire on the edge of farmland / open countryside to a glen in north Speyside, there are grouse moors on either side.
At my old house, I could see red kites, buzzards, sparrowhawk regularly.
At our new place, with an absolute abundance of wildlife including rabbits, brown hare, mountain hare, red squirrel, pheasants, partridge, grouse, weasel, stoats and pine martens and a significant amount of road kill and yet there only appears to be one pair of buzzards along a 10-mile glen. Roadkill / carrion lies at the edge of the road for days on end showing there is little scavenging species.
Yup - you are probably in the main raptor killing hotspot in Scotland - along with the angus glens.
Waiting for the apologists for shooting to say not gamekeepers, oh no not gamekeepers
Tory landowners entertaining Tory-voting landed gentry with a Tory Government in power.
In Scotland its devolved
Aye. And the minister responsible is Fergus Ewing, so...
No chance
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along with the angus glens.Posted 1 hour ago
My neck of the woods,a shower of bastards. Do everything they can to prevent access to the hills. Sent a bronze DoE group back and told them the police were on the way for "trespass" poor kids were terrified.
Bastards. angus glens are dreadful for raptor persecution. a white tailed eagle nested there - a tagged bird. The nest was deep in woodland with no paths to it. The RSPB found the nest. However when they came back to check on it the tree containing the nest had been cut down. Utter shites up ther
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SubscriberNinfan – want to defend this?
I think he's been re-banned?
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/three-gamekeepers-suspended-over-killing-goshawk-queens-land-2919344/blockquote >
A clear-cut case like this is a perfect opportunity to take the licence off the shoot and the shotgun licences off the personnel involved. ****ers.
Could we not re-deploy some of these shooters to get rid of another problem?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53552557
Scotroutes - I thought it was Roseanna Cunningham who had the brief?
Can everyone please email or write to Sturgeon and Cunningham to protest.
firstminister@gov.scot
CabSecECCLR@gov.scot
Fergus Ewing is the Cabinet Secretary for the Rural Economy. Roseanna Cunningham covers Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform. I suspect this falls mostly into the former, though there are obvious overlaps.
OK
Sturgeon and Cunningham ( who is environment) as well as Ewing emailed and Ewing I also tweeted tagging him
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-53582378
Now they should know the rough area which where poison has been laid, from the dogwalking route. Police need to get stuck in.
Nidderdale has been something of a hotspot for this kind of ****ery.
Until grouse shooting stops this appalling crime will continue. The Government need to ban it and offer some financial incentives to the landowners of the grouse moors for diversification. They could have clay pigeon shooting, holiday lets etc instead.Its not just raptors that suffer, its loads of different wildlife that get murdered by gamekeepers.
Also its unbelievable the cost of grouse shooting, some people pay £5K to £20K for the day.So the landowners are raking it in and obviously reluctant to see changes.
And that tosspot Ian Botham is now a Lord. He's got a despicable record as an apologist for the worst of the shooting industry.
https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/you-forgot-the-biology/
The scottish government is looking at controls on killing mountain hares. However rtather than putting controls in in time for this years mass killings they are asking the grouse moors to show restraint! Bunch of diddies!
You just know what will happen - a bigger slaughter than usual to pre empt the clampdown
And another one - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/25/grouse-moors-under-fire-after-golden-eagle-tag-hidden-in-scottish-river
Werrity report reaction due from the scottish government " this Autumn"
Can anyone who has not done so email Sturgeon, Cunningham and Ewing. the more pressure the better chance of some proper action
The Scottish Gamekeepers Association said the RSPB had no evidence the person who threw the tag in the river was responsible for killing the eagle, or that lead wrapping had been used in this way before.
“Satellite tags have become heavily weaponised by political campaigners. They elicit high levels of publicity and a person finding one on their land would not want it around, given the scrutiny they would come under,” a spokesman said. “We hope [the police] find the truth of what has happened, for everyone’s sake.”
Of course. Whenever I find a mysterious transmitter, I carefully wrap it in lead sheeting from my rucksack and lob it into the nearest river.
Its laughable isn't it
On the public information boards on the Glenlivet Estate (Crown Estates) they even attempt to justify the shooting of mountain hare as an attempt to control tick numbers - never mind the sheep that are roaming about.
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Clearly this eagle cut off its own tag, removed the antenna, wrapped the tag in lead sheeting, threw it in a river, and moved to France under an assumed name, all in an effort to frame the completely innocent local "sporting estate".
Went for a ride over the Trough of Bowland in the wee hours this morning. Part of the Duchy estate. It was dark and I was overtaken by a 4x4 which proceeded of up one of the tracks near Abbeystead and up on to the moors. Seemed a little early to be going shooting and seeing as it was pitch dark just a wee bit odd. (they had access top the gates as well, so likely to be estate staff) Nefarious doings in the cover of darkness, maybe?
Bloody disgusting. Apparently they died in mysterious circumstances. Everyone knows it's the estates with their gamekeepers and rent boys. Pricks.
Boils my piss.
