MSP I meant the PL could pay for the coaches, if you imagine the PL and FA where one and say, 25% of the TV money went to them then it would make a huge huge difference. The players could still live very very nicely on 75% of their wages.
Spain have managed to get all those coaches with a much poorer league where all the money just flows into 2 clubs. Blaming the PL is just an easy excuse. The lack of English players in the top clubs is just another symptom, it isn't the cause.
England look like a half decent side at the moment
They are but braxil and germany look brilliant and half decent teams rarely win tournaments as their record shows.
They will always be half decent, occasionally very good and once [ at home] world beaters.
Junkyard - lazarus
Is it a real option or just a move to unsettle him?Th elater I assume we dont really need him do we
Depay, Valencia, Di Maria, Young, Mata??......not exactly short in this area are we.
You forgot about Nani!
And I wouldn't really class Mata or valencia as attacking wing forward types.
Think Rockape has right - England just don't cut it at tournaments for whatever reason. Doesn't matter on the manager (we've had enough of the best come through).
I've no doubt that we will continue to be nothing more than mediocre in major tournaments. Though Greece showed in 2004 that you don't have to be the best team to win a tournament, you just need
a lot of luck and a decent coach
back to raheem.
I'm a LFC fan and think the club should sell.
It pains me to say it but Fergie would have not taken stick like this. At the first sign of any trouble/descent/big headedness he shipped them out of the club no matter how good a player (Stam, RVN etc).
Sterling is one of those players that excites to watch but his final touch/finishing/decisions tend to be poor. With his pace I wouldn't be surprised if his hammies start going in the next year or two anyway and we'll all be questioning whether he'll ever get back to his former 'greatness'.
I say take the money and be rid. Whether BR can be trusted to spend it wisely is a whole other debate!
You forgot about Nani!
Yes I did ..... damn he is coming back isnt he.
And I wouldn't really class Mata or valencia as attacking wing forward types.
Hence the ?? for our ghost winger and Valencia is a winger
Either way they are still where he would be
I hope we are just winding up the scousers
I quite like Nani - I think he suffered because he can play left/right (preferring right), whereas Valencia can only play right side.
Lost his confidence after that daft red card against BM as before that he was ace for a coupla goals and loads of assists.
on his day he is world class but he is erratic to the point not even he knows what he will do next.
The thing both Manc clubs have lacked in attack this season has been pace. They both have a lot of players in those positions but none of them would be considered quick. Utd have Depay now, so probably don't need Sterling, but a forward 3 of Sterling, Rooney and Depay would be good to watch.
TBH our ball retention /ponderous attack policy/slow pace means we could find room for Teddy sheringham in the line up 😉
sterling is going to have to do some serious grovelling if he wants to stay. Reds have cancelled the meeting tomorrow after agent claims he would sign for 900k per week.
I'm sure the 10% in fees are worth it. My guess hes already signed up somewhere else and the agent is getting some air time. I pity the club thats done the deal. Sterling aka new balotelli?
[i]sterling is going to have to do some serious grovelling if he wants to stay[/i]
It appears he doesn't, BBC quote: Agent says Sterling will not sign Liverpool deal
Reds have cancelled the meeting tomorrow after agent claims he would sign for 900k per week.
I read that he wouldn't sign for £900K, or any amount. His agents outburst indicated that he wants to leave Liverpool and that's it.
I'm not a soccer fan but I do find these little public spats so interesting in a voyeur way.
From an outsider, he just seems unhappy and wants to go elsewhere.
Just don't understand it to be honest unless he actually believes he's a lot better than he looks to me.
I'd rather be in the starting 11 every week in front of 55,000 shouting my name at Anfield instead of sitting on the bench at City/Arsenal/Wherever he ends up... Very strange.
I always wonder "is there more to it..."
Looking at players like Suarez to Barca, Bale to RM, Ronaldo to RM, hell, they all make sense to me. But to sign for clubs where you're either not going to play or not accomplish any more.. it's weird.
In my head I can't grasp the difference between £100k per week and £200k I guess... it's all irrelevant, Lets say at £100k that's £5m a year... or £10m a year... if you have a playing life of say the next 10 years.. that's £50m or £100m... plus of course the sponsorship deals lets call them £25mill... So he's pocketed £75m or £125m.... does it matter ? Really ? In the grand scheme of things...
Sheesh.
It's partly ego but mostly the fact the agent get's a percentage especially of transfer fees. It's in the agent's interest he signs for a new club.
you could look at it from the view he's got 10 years at the top, try and earn as much money as you can
his agent is a **** though plain and simple
You do realise that United have just put the story in the press that they're interested to wind the scousers up, don't you? And bump the price up that City will end up paying.
Nobody goes from OT direct to Anfield, or the other way.
Paul Ince went indirectly and ended up there. And I have never seen anyone at the receiving end of that level of vitriolic abuse at OT. It was relentless and full-blooded for 90 minutes!
probably nothing to do with United either, just a press story
Raheem who..?
His agent is taking legal advise due to the story of 'not for 900k' being incorrect apparently.
Why do you all say he'd be leaving to warm the bench of another team? Arsenal maybe but he'd get games at Chelsea and would be a starter at Man City imo. Who have they got that would keep him out?
Don't agree it's all about the money either. Where ever he plays he will be on a huge salary. Take Glen Johnson as the example that Liverpool pay top money so to suggest he will be on loads more somewhere else don't stack up. He obviously thinks he has more chance of winning stuff at another club and I'd personally believe someone who plays for a club and sees what goes on behind the scenes over some fans on the internet.
Why do you all say he'd be leaving to warm the bench of another team?
Because IMO he's not good enough to play regularly in a 'better' team.
Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, on his day he's fantastic, but he's a bit clueless at times and drfits out of games very regularly.
I always wonder "is there more to it..."
of course there is....he's been tapped up via his agent by another club. thats why he's stalled on the new contract and his agent is doing everything he can to force through a move. if the club make an approach they know it will get rejected so the only way they can get him is if he forces himself out of the club.
It's partly ego but mostly the fact the agent get's a percentage especially of transfer fees. It's in the agent's interest he signs for a new club.
its for this reason that the agent is saying what he has said so far. if he can widen the rift between the player and club the more likely it is that the transfer will happen and he gets his bumper pay day.
Take Glen Johnson as the example that Liverpool pay top money
they gave him that big salary when they first signed him for £18m. he was then offered an extension on the same money...but it ends at the end of this season. he was offered a new deal on less money, which is what he should have been on in the first place. he's decided he doesnt want that deal and will be moving on in the summer.
Why do you all say he'd be leaving to warm the bench of another team?
Because IMO he's not good enough to play regularly in a 'better' team.Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, on his day he's fantastic, but he's a bit clueless at times and drfits out of games very regularly.
+1....i hope he doesnt get too many sores and splinters from sitting on the bench...wherever he ends up(!)
Raheem who..?
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they gave him that big salary when they first signed him for £18m. he was then offered an extension on the same money...but it ends at the end of this season. he was offered a new deal on less money, which is what he should have been on in the first place. he's decided he doesnt want that deal and will be moving on in the summer.
The point I was making was that Liverpool can afford to pay top money so can afford to pay Stirling what he wants if they want to. They will not be priced out of keeping him if they want to keep him. This being the case it's not all about money.
Because IMO he's not good enough to play regularly in a 'better' team.
Look at Manchester City. Are you saying Nasri, Navas, Jovetic, Dezeko or Milner will definitely keep him out if he's playing well?
How many players have Manchester United, Spurs or Chelsea got that you can say, if all playing at the same level will definitely start ahead of him? I'm not saying he's ace but he's good enough to challenge for a starting place at any of the big clubs except possibly Arsenal who stock pile players in his positions.
He could move and be a flop or move and really kick on in his career. Which way it goes will be up to him.
The point I was making was that Liverpool can afford to pay top money so can afford to pay Stirling what he wants if they want to. They will not be priced out of keeping him if they want to keep him. This being the case it's not all about money.
fair point. yes they can afford to pay that sort of money...but he has already turned down close to 100k a week already...this is a significant increase form the £30k he is currently on. to command a bigger salary i would have thought he would have to prove his worth be being consistently good and not consistently inconsistent!
it is about the money...no doubt about it. i cant see how its for football reasons, especially when liverpool came within 2 points of clinching the title last season. this season they were in the CL and went on 2 good cup runs...where was Sterling? what did he contribute to this? IIRC he was nowhere to be seen for the majority of these games and contributed very little. if he is as good as he thinks he is then he would have done more instead of doing a disappearing act in crucial games.
someone mentioned in an earlier post that it was suarez who made him look good last season by helping him and giving him positional advice and playing the ball into him in good positions. if this is the case and he learnt new things off an better player, now that that better player has gone....why hasnt he been able to add what he learnt last season and apply it this season?
i'll be glad to see him go...Ibe is a better prospect anyway.
Look at it another way. Liverpool got in to the top four last season on the back of Manchester United having a shocker (which was hilarious), Spurs doing a Spurs, and having a front two in the form of their life.
This season they've been way off and were awful in the CL. They were beaten in the FA Cup by a relegation threatened team and never looked like winning anything. Before last season they looked miles off the top four and only likely to win a cup every now and then. It looks like last season was a blip and they're back to where they were.
If he moves to one of the top four he is miles more likely to play in the CL and regularly win stuff. If you disagree with this please tell me which of the current top four Liverpool are likely to replace any time soon?
If he moves to one of the top four he is miles more likely to play in the CL and regularly win stuff.
Firstly I am ignoring your hurtful comment on Spurs 😐 but I would agree Liverpool are not top 4 club as it stands (neither are Spurs)
Secondly, where I would disagree with you is that Sterling isn't going to play in the CL if he goes to one of Man U / Man City / Arsenal / Chelsea. He's going to be a backup PL player and play in the domestic cups. He needs a reality check as right now he's a talented kid and in any respect has had a poor season versus Harry Kane who would be the obvious benchmark.
i cant see how its for football reasons, especially when liverpool came within 2 points of clinching the title last season. this season they were in the CL and went on 2 good cup runs...
I can – last year was a perfect storm for Liverpool – 2 strikers on fire (1 now gone and 1 back to being injured a lot), no European commitments to knacker the squad out and when you got the CL against Madrid you sent out a team of virtual reserves. That’s the night Liverpool died as a big club – here you are in your biggest game in a long time to show Europe you’re still relevant and you threw in the towel before you started.
What a way to repay the players that had put all the effort in to get there in the first place.
That and Liverpool have bought a load of dross and just lost their “biggest” player as he is off in a strop because he is no longer first choice and he can’t adapt his game. The future for Pool is kinda bleak at the mo unless the easing of FFP allows FSG to pump some money in but…
City – just re-negotiating the sponsorship deal from £40M a year to ~£80M and will find other ways to get savage cash pumping into the club I’m sure (They need to, a lot of older players and not compliant with homegrown quota).
Chelsea – Breaking even after 1billion “loan”, team needs an additional striker. They have been cruising for the last 3 months (although v lucky with very few injuries this season).
Arsenal – Now have the cash spare to afford £50M signings every season.
ManU – Chevrolet & Adidas sponsorhip coming on-steam this year – what’s that?an additional £60M a year on top of their other commercial stuff. Looking to have had a blip year out from being in the top 4.
Which team is Liverpool going to be knocking out of the top 4?
edit to sat: curses too long typing.
If you disagree with this please tell me which of the current top four Liverpool are likely to replace any time soon?
2 words for you....Danny Ings(!) 😯
when you got the CL against Madrid you sent out a team of virtual reserves. That’s the night Liverpool died as a big club – here you are in your biggest game in a long time to show Europe you’re still relevant and you threw in the towel before you started.
Liverpool have bought a load of dross
this is why Brendan the Bodger and Ian Ayres need to follow Sterling out the door too
I'd query if to a degree he has been found out, due to his lack of effectiveness this year. Looking at a lot of his goals for that matter, they were essentially just Stirling with a lot of pace against high defensive lines. Teams can combat this and set up differently.
Ultimately to my mind this has all the hallmarks of an agent wanting more cash for himself and doesn't care whether his client gets to play football.
Please keep the Bodgers Dossier and the commitee .. looking forward to the splash n dash approach once they receive the cash from sterling.
Look at it another way. Liverpool got in to the top four last season on the back of Manchester United having a shocker (which was hilarious), Spurs doing a Spurs, and having a front two in the form of their life.
no they didn't, they got there through merit, not on other teams failings,
Look at it another way. Liverpool got in to the top four last season on the back of [s]Manchester United having a shocker (which was hilarious), Spurs doing a Spurs, and [/s]having a front two in the form of their life.
To be fair, they did also finish above Chelsea and Arsenal.
What it's increasingly looking like is that Rodgers didn't do that good a job last season and that "anybody" could have managed a side with Suarez and Sturridge playing as well as they were. Combined with Gerrard playing very well in the defensive midfield (slips and trips aside 🙂 ) role and the creativity of Coutinho...well, I dunno, maybe any old eejit could have done it.
Sterling looked good while defences were being bamboozled by SAS. Their off the ball running created so much space between midfield and attack for Sterling and Coutinho, but it's looking like while Coutinho still has the ability to change a game, Sterling doesn't - he's been poor against sides pressing him. Gets ball. Does a little run. Stops. Messes the move up. And if he wants to **** off, then there's no point in keeping him.
Certainly looks like we're back to normal top four next season. It looked last year like the battle for top four would be more interesting for a few years, but Liverpool are back in the 5th to 7th/8th place group for now.
