[Closed] Racism

Regarding racism generally, it is entirely wrong to run away from it

Not really, after all, they tend to be very good at running and stuff like that

Peterfile a "gang" is the working unit be it painters, brickies or duct installers on a construction site.

sandwich i do believe peterfiles tongue was firmly in his cheek

Uefa have made a serious gaffe in holding the tournamnet in Poland and Ukraine imho. Racism quite openly exists in their stadiums. Platini is quite right to point out that it is not football's problem but society's problem - just as English football hooliganism in the 1980s was society's problem not football's.

The big difference is that there is no way in a million years that the Euros would have been awarded to England whilst that problem existed.

The big difference is that there is no way in a million years that the Euros would have been awarded to England whilst that problem existed.

Indeed. In fact English teams [url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/2/newsid_2494000/2494963.stm ]were banned[/url] from playing in Europe.

There are some really insightful comments

Alex222, do you work for a tabloid newspaper by any chance? Third word in my statement was "some". Also, the quotes that you have chosen are not necessarily racist (please notice the use of the word "necessarily").

They should **** off back to their own country if they don't like the skin colour of some Britons. IMO.

Pretty much every Pole I have ever worked with has turned out to be racist

The racism debate is stifled because people are scared of takling a subject thats difficult to talk about - and it's made diffult by people pouncing on the language used and pointing the racist finger.

i like this game

Thats the funny thing about racism debates..... how long does it take before desending into handbags. Frankly I'm amazed that STW has been as well behaved as it has! Nobody's posted any pictures of the village people, or complainned about punctuation yet either 😀

Nobody's posted any pictures of the village people, or [b][u]complainned[/u][/b] about punctuation yet either

*Sits on hands....*

Wunundred

I've never met an English person who is not a racist.

Nobody's posted any pictures of the village people

Any excuse, the construction workers my favorite.

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Edit: I've not bothered to read any of the preceding comments so don't know why the were mentioned or the relevance of them to this thread. I just dipped in here.

I've never met an English person who is not a racist

Bloody racist 😀

deadlydarcy - Member
Wunundred

You are Fred and I claim my £5

More appropriate than the Village People.....

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normal service seems to have been resumed.... all is right with the world

My eyes are just drawn to the mankini pouch, so plump and firm.

Batfink, no point trying to be logical with Alex222 on this I'm afraid 🙄

He wants to pick a fight and won't let it go, even though he's clearly just trying to force a view that he doesn't like, onto someone who doesn't hold that view, just so he can argue with them.

I think we can cut the Poles/Ukrainians etc. a tiny bit of slack. They're societies in transformation, lurching from communism to capitalism in a very short space of time, so I don't think we can expect that their societal norms are going to coincide with ours just yet. And they're places that haven't experienced high levels of immigration of non-whites as long ago as other places, so there's a cultural ignorance in the mix too.
We've come so far in twenty five years (Anfield, late eighties, racist Everton fans throwing bananas at John Barnes. Same era, institutional racism in the police force.) so let's hope they get that far, that fast. Hopefully we're way beyond Nazi salutes in football stadia, but I know a lot of people who think nothing of using the words "**** shop" and "darky" and see nothing untoward in it. Granted, I'm not in Islington, but we too are still a long way from where we need to be.

I think we can cut the Poles/Ukrainians etc. a tiny bit of slack

Should clarify, I don't mean tolerate it, more understand where it's coming from...

Just seen Hodgson on tellybox "racism is something we might have to deal with it" you could try condemming it you dull ****.

I know a lot of people who think nothing of using the words "**** shop" and "darky" and see nothing untoward in it.

That's probably because there is no racist intent, and it's just the way they speak. Saying "I'm popping down the **** shop, do you want anything?" is easier, and sounds a lot more normal, than saying "I'm popping down to the asian owned convenience store, do you want anything?". Many people can't be arsed playing around with english language to suit the sensitivities of self-appointed guardians of grammar morality.

Mods aren't very effective in the real world.

[b]Zimbo[/b) quality post and one that makes me change my mind from thinking they are just a bunch of utter twunts. But still the English team and others have an obligation to confront such behaviour.

DezB - Member
Heard this on the news this morning - didn't FIFA try to say it wasn't racist?!

Whilst out on a ride at Penmachno my riding buddy & I came across an eastern european couple looking for a shortcut back to the carpark, so we obliged by showing them the way, whilst riding along conversation ensued and found out they lived and worked in London and they strangely added its full of blacks & Muslims and they hated them 😮 we were rather taken aback but failed to enquire why. Struck me how willing they were to volunteer their view to complete strangers and without knowing who we were. Not saying all eastern europeans share their view but shocking none the less.

"I'm popping down to the asian owned convenience store, do you want anything?".

Bullsh*t ernie. What's wrong with "shop"??

That's probably because there is no racist intent

Maybe, maybe not. But it's a racist word with a weight of prejudice behind it. I'm sure the Indian (as often as not)or ****stani owner would probably object to the word, so why use it?

Bullsh*t ernie. What's wrong with "shop"??

Would Kwik-E-Mart be a suitable compromise?

But still the English team and others have an obligation to confront such behaviour

I agree Stoats, and that's probably all part of the learning and acceptance process.

That's probably because there is no racist intent, and it's just the way they speak. Saying "I'm popping down the **** shop, do you want anything?" is easier, and sounds a lot more normal, than saying "I'm popping down to the asian owned convenience store, do you want anything?". Many people can't be arsed playing around with english language to suit the sensitivities of self-appointed guardians of grammar morality.

Stoat perhaps the FA could use JT to head their anti racist stance - probably be willing and use it as evidence in his defence of racism charges WIN WIN surely.

I would say probably better to get their own house in order than lecture others especially when stood on such rocky ground

There is a house in a village near me, which used to be referred to as Black Bobs House. It wasn't the proper name of the house it was just used as a reference point i.e. go left after Black Bobs house. As you can guess he was black and he was (he moved on after 20 years) the only black man who had ever lived in that village. RACIST?? Lets have a vote on it.

how many Bobs were there?

how many Bobs were there?

Ka-pow! Nice one Junks!

Junkyard - Member
how many Bobs were there?

So one for racist then.

I saw a film which had English Bob in. He was white, so that's possibly two living there.
Then I saw a telly programme that had a Bob in, who turned out to be a girl!!!.
So I don't know if that counts.

So one for racist then.

I think that was one for "stupid question". That's two including me.

Then I saw a telly programme that had a Bob in, who turned out to be a girl!!!.

WOOOOF!

😉

Then I saw a telly programme that had a Bob in, who turned out to be a girl!!!.

WOOOOF!

😉

Then I saw a telly programme that had a Bob in, who turned out to be a girl!!!.

WOOOOF!

😉

Oh, FFS...

That's never happened before, honest... 😳

zimbo - Member

So one for racist then.

I think that was one for "stupid question". That's two including me.

A bit like the police and the Social workers denying that the raping disproportionately of white Christian children by Muslims of ****stani origin was not racism or sectarianism. And nor was the Muslims elders statement racist or sectarian that the cause was a lack of self-respect by the children.

just like everyone has chosen to ignore this

Fish ain't biting, eh?

I think we can cut the Poles/Ukrainians etc. a tiny bit of slack. They're societies in transformation, lurching from communism to capitalism in a very short space of time

+1

Scotland in the 80s wasnt exactly a liberal paradise. Shops were ****s and going for fish and chips was going to the Chinky. We had exactly one black guy in Perth. Nickname? Nig. I think anywhere with a black population close to zero is a bit like that.

And I'm with Ernie, come to this country you have to live and let live, otherwise please bugger off back to Poland/Ukraine/****stan/wherever. We can all rub long just fine......

zimbo - Member

just like everyone has chosen to ignore this

Fish ain't biting, eh?

Regarding : "Black Bobs House"

Presumably he was Black.
And called Bob.
And it was his House.

So it is an accurate description, and not derogatory.

If there were no other Bobs in the village, then it was overly descriptive and pointless.

But as there was no derogatory words or intent, then it's not racist no.

Pointless possibly, but not racist.

(that doesn't mean the people who used that term weren't racist, just that the description itself isn't.)

Police found one "cultural differences"