[Closed] Public Sector Strike 30/11

Nope. Why would I?

If my son's teachers are striking I'm taking him to Blue Planet Aquarium 😀 ... he'll probably learn as much there as in a whole week of school

Frodo - Member
Nope. Why would I?

to support our public sector

To support our public sector with wholly unreasonable demands whilst negotiations are ongoing ...no thanks.

What was Maude's threats over the weekend? I missed that one.

Was it a warning shot about getting returning us all to the 1980's, by Militarising the police and returnign us all to Scragill/Thatcher style fisticuffs and baton charges?

Can't see that one working as well this time round somehow

To support our mainly incompetent and lazy public sector... When the whole private sector has already severly suffered.

No, I'll stay at home thanks.

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The demands are reasonable and there is no meaningful negotiation going on.

What the government is doing is very cynical - the unions have a series of very strict and complex legal hoops to jump thru to call a strike. The government are deliberately prolonging negotiations so that they are not over by the date of the strike leaving the unions with the task of either re balloting at great expense and inconvenience or being accused of striking while negotiations are ongoing.

Both the teachers and the NHS pensions have been reviewed recently to make them affordable and sustainable.

Binners - eihter accept what is offered or we will impose a worse deal

Calling TJ......

Lazy my arse.. Im sweating my tits off here trying to treat fat lazy patients!

To support our public sector with wholly unreasonable demands whilst [s]negotiations are ongoing[/s] the government try and stall any industrial action so the unions have to re ballot

Is what you meant to say.

PR stunt by Tories

Arse.. late again...

Where do they think more money is going to come from to pour into the public sector black hole? These protests are going on all over Europe to no avail.
I can understand your concern of course, if you are employed within the public sector but the system has been hugely abused and is bloated and inefficient now.

I think I'm getting that feeling of Deja Vu. That feeling that I've read what will follow in the next 4 pages somewhere before

And for that reason, I'm out. With a pre-emptive ARMAGEDDON 😉

Looks like it binners - can I follow you?

Well you've got your work cut out. You simly do not have the support of public opinion. Why - because we in the private sector have inferior pensions and benefits.

We however understand that its better to still have a job than a plush pension.

Yes, I'll be going.

Tto support people in services which are there for the benefit of our society as a whole, rather than private personal interests.

When the whole private sector has already severly suffered.

That's Capitalism, baby.. 😉 Oh what you don't like it that corporations can just lay thousands of workers off cos labour's cheaper in the East? That they will act according to what gives them the most profit, not what's in the best interests of their workers? Diddums. Well you can always complain to your union, can't you? Oh....

can I follow you

bet you cant help yourself by page 10.

I think you'd be well advised too Uncle Jezza, to be honest

Do your blood pressure a favour eh? Back away from the thread 😀

I'm aiming to be there. As long as my floors are laid.

lazy bloody public sector floor layers.

aaaaggggffffmmmmpppuummmpphhh

*muffled noise from edinburgh*

Lazy? Yep! 🙂

Public sector. Pffft. How frightful! DD was doing the floors in Selfridges t'other week Daaaaahling. He's reet posh, he is!

He's just popping down to mix with the proles and see how the other half live 😉

DD will make it as soon as he's packed up his hippy-hovel from College Green.

Back up there again in a few weeks binbins. :kiss:

This argument makes me chuckle every time (me chuckling). Surely the whole point of market forces and the capitalism so beloved of our private sector is you pay for a product or service based on what the market will bear. I suppose we'll soon find out what the market is prepared to pay when the product is withdrawn.

On another note, the public sector institution I work in has recently got in cahoots with a private company for IT provision and general maintainance. I have never witnessed a more outrageous waste of public money in my life. Efficient private sector? I've never seen a more incompetent, work shy, jobs worth, contract waving bunch of money sucking cynics in all my born days.

I'm very interested in the public's take on these strikes. I fully understand why they are happening but, like Frodo, i'm just not convinced you have the general public's backing on this.

The private sector have already had what little pension provision they have raided, they have had pay freezes and pay cuts (real ones where you earn the same or less than last year, not ones where you earn more but not as much more) and I think there is a feeling that it is the public sectors turn for some pain.

i'm just not convinced you have the general public's backing on this.

Probably don't because of the relentless propaganda from the right wing press for years that has led to a totally false impression of what is going on.

[i]I think there is a feeling that it is the public sectors turn for some pain. [/i]

It's crabs in a bucket isn't it - drag everyone down to the lowest level rather than supportign people fighting to maintain their entitlement.

Why - because we in the private sector have inferior pensions and benefits.

Is this the politics of envy the right wing bleat on about?

Have you thought about perhaps sorting out your own pension deals brather than asking that everyone else has shit deal like the private sector- except of course the board members of the private sector.

I cal armageddon and leave as well- what the point we just get the same folk saying the same stuff

We need to sort out pensions in general and a race to the bottom is not the best way of achieveing this.

We doing lunch then Bravisimo? Mwah!

Can we all make an effort to call DD Bravisimo from now on please? As it amuses me in a childish, schoolboy way, and also summons [i]THAT[/i] advert 😀

The other threat was the old 40% turnout rubbish 'might be considered in future'.

i'm just not convinced you have the general public's backing on this.

I'm the general public btw, private sector.

It's crabs in a bucket isn't it - drag everyone down to the lowest level rather than supportign people fighting to maintain their entitlement.

Correct

Why should it be a race to the bottom?

i'm just not convinced you have the general public's backing on this.

Probably don't because of the relentless propaganda from the right wing press for years that has led to a totally false impression of what is going on.

Don't the public sector make up a (too) large part of the general public? I bet they're supporting each other.

And to counter the mighty TJ's arguements-

Probably don't because of the relentless propaganda from the left wing press for years that has led to a totally false impression of what is going on.

Looks like it binners - can I follow you?

Probably don't because of the relentless propaganda from the right wing press for years that has led to a totally false impression of what is going on.

I think that's a more than reasonable demand, Bin-Bins.I don't see why not quite frankly.

If this thread's just going to descend into the same old same old, can we instead do something about architecture? We jolly well have not had a nice architecture thread in ages! 😀

Or what about woodwork? Art? Music?

[i]BIKES[/i]?????

Well, it's just a thought, y'know...

[i]the relentless propaganda from the left wing press[/i]

errrm, what left wing press? The guardian and the daily worker are hardly the majority, are they?

public sector worker here and i will not be going out on strike

I get what the arguement is for but i think its all a bit gun ho to start a strike there are better ways to resolve this, I know that a work to rule in this office would do a lot more damage than a one day walk out

apart from that I'm only on a temp contract for 3 years and would quite like to keep the job on after so upsetting the bosses by striking isnt going to help

oh and if i strike it will cost me over 100 pounds in lost wages in the pay before christmas so not a good idea

I love this term 'race to the bottom' but what does it actually mean?

The fact is that for the past 10 - 20 years our economy has been growing on debt. We now have the situation where not only do we have to pay this back but we have to completely restructure our economy onto a sustainable footing.

The reality is that it is not a race to the bottom it is part of rebalancing the economy.

Unfortunately the unions wish to protect their employees. That is right and completely natural for them. Don't however expect support from the general punblic.

The unions can only protect their own members at the expence of other people, FACT.

As a nurse im undecided whether to strike or not.
we are constantly under pressure, in a very stressful job that you dont just walk away from at the end of the day.
Our pensions are being eroded.
Govt are trying to privatise us quietly.
Ultimately the families we work with are going to suffer.
Very thankful i have a job, but maybe its time to stand up and shout a bit more.

Looks like it might be worth going just for a scrap.
[url] http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/19/edl-splinter-group-target-unions [/url]

I have no reason to go and support their battle for a better deal but wish them luck. Why not try to get the best you can?

I hate the attitude of those who want to bring everyone else down rather than aspire to better for themselves and others. What a crap way to think.

If this thread's just going to descend into the same old same old, can we instead do something about architecture? We jolly well have not had a nice architecture thread in ages!