@mikeconnor - it's supply and demand, many more people want the iPhone. IMO they want it because it's a better product. I've yet to see another phone/platform which is better, we made the very unfortunate mistake of trying the early Google/Android phone and it was so dire we threw it away after 3 months and went back to a cheap Nokia till we could upgrade the contract.
By the way, the cheapest iPhone 3Gs contract I can find is O2 100mins/3000txts/100MB for £18.50 a month.
That's £11 pounds a month more than my superior contract. I get 250 minutes, unlimited texts and 500mb data for £7.50. And a better phone.
@mikeconnor - it's supply and demand, many more people want the iPhone. IMO they want it because it's a better product.
I had an iphone 3. This Samsung is way better. Faster, more features and it hasn't crashed yet, unlike the iphone whcih crashed several times in the first few days I had it/ I sold it on after just two weeks, because I didn't think it was at all worth the money (I bought it second hand).
Is there any actual proof that the iphone is a 'better' rpoduct, or is it merely subjective opiniion?
its all subjective but since you have your blinkers on ill fit mine as well.
I don't think which is 'better' really matters. It's all about what you want and what you'll use it for. They both might do equally what you require, so buy which one you want. It's a just phone with fancy features wether an iPhone or an Android phone.
I've worked with Apple products for over 20 years, I like them, mainly because I use them everyday in working and living life so I'm used to them. I'm not a fan of PC's, buts that because I've always worked with Mac's. But that doesn't mean that PC are rubbish. They do pretty the exact same thing, just what you prefer working with. All the PC V Mac and iPhone V Android agruments that always happen all seem pretty pointless to me, see which suits you best, which you prefer and buy and what you want. Pretty simple.
Well your experience seems to vary quite considerably from that TechRadar review mike, which uses words like "stilted" and "farcically slow". Perhaps that's why folk were put off?
But yes I agree that the prices for the 3Gs do seem waaaaaay high. But that's demand for you. Anyone with any sense wouldn't buy a 3Gs like that when they could probably get a 2nd-hand/refurb 4 for cheaper.
But the market has to cater for people with no common sense too.
[i][b]I had an iphone 3. [/b][/i]This Samsung is way better.
No shit?
Is there any actual proof that the iphone is a 'better' rpoduct, or is it merely subjective opiniion?
In terms of hardware to hardware, then its' probably not the best.
In terms of the iPhone 'ecosystem' (which I know is a bit of a buzzword, but it does actually now make sense), then yes I would say, and most 'official' sources would say, that it is better. The ease with which apps, data, etc are accessible, shareable, and above all usable, seems to be a lot better than Android, Windows etc. This is where Apple really excel and their hardware/software integration is widely regarded as second to none.
Having said all that, of course if it doesn't do something you need to do then it might be garbage to you, but I don't think anyone can say that the iOS system is not a massive success - even if you think it's crap.
I don't get why grown men talk so much drivel whenever there is a choice of 2 competing platforms!
Just for the record, my SNES is miles better than your Megadrive!
No, my Atari Jaguar pwned both of them. 64bit* and all that.
edit: (*)that's a 68k CPU iirc and 64bit GPU.
There's next to nothing in it. I can do everything on my android that anyone can do on their iOS. It's a matter of preference.
END OF STORY.
my Atari Jaguar pwned both of them
Ahh there was a [i]"could have been good"[/i] console!
I remember playing Tempest 2000 and Alien vs Predator for many happy hours:
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its all subjective but since you have your blinkers on ill fit mine as well.
I don't have any blinkers on. If I did, I probably would have bought an iphone.
I don't have a problem with the iphone at all, just curious as to how so many people are willing to pay over the odds for them when other comparable and sometimes better products are available. I use Macs and PCs, and I prefer the way Macs work. Personal preference, nothing to do with one being 'better' than the other.
In terms of the iPhone 'ecosystem' (which I know is a bit of a buzzword, but it does actually now make sense), then yes I would say, and most 'official' sources would say, that it is better. The ease with which apps, data, etc are accessible, shareable, and above all usable, seems to be a lot better than Android, Windows etc.
I can't find any actual objective 'proof' of this, merely a lot of subjective opinion. I am finding my Android phone more intuitive and easy to use than I did my iphone. This is my own subjective opinion. I have no particular allegience to any brand, unlike some people, so i will chose what suitds me best, in terms of use and economy. The iphone would be a foolish choice for me personally. As yet, I'm struggling to see why anyone would pay a lot more for a product that is no better and in some regards actually inferior.
But the market has to cater for people with no common sense too.
I think this is really the essence of it all. People being seduced by mythical benefits rather than actual ones. I applaud Apple for their ability to market products so effectively, they really are the best by a long way on that score.
There's next to nothing in it. I can do everything on my android that anyone can do on their iOS. It's a matter of preference.END OF STORY.
Again, more common sense. The evangelical ramblings of some folk are akin to religious fervour. Perhaps they need to go to church more often.
I use Macs and PCs, ....nothing to do with one being 'better' than the other.
A Mac is just a PC (*)
A Macbook is just a Laptop
An iPhone is just a smartphone
A Hoover is just a vacuum cleaner
Now a Dyson is a cool vacuum cleaner. Beats all the rest cos you can see everything spinning round and round. And far superior for sucking up the 5p coins from down the back of the sofa and fishing them out of the tub afterwards.
* (actually most are really a laptop in a different case, but that's another story)
JamieWould that look be from a photo taken using a 'MySpace angle' while riding ones bike?
I know shocking isn't it? To think someone on a biking website rides a bike! 😯
the iphone whcih crashed several times in the first few days I had it
Sounds like it was broken to me. Hardly a basis for a fair comparison.
I am finding my Android phone more intuitive and easy to use than I did my iphone. This is my own subjective opinion.
's pretty much where I'm coming from too. We've a mix of Apple and Other technologies in the house, and for all the much-lauded Apple 'experience' I simply don't get on with it.
iOS is supposed to be the peak of user-friendly intuitiveness, yet whenever my OH hands me her iPad to play with I'm ready to defenestrate it inside of about ten minutes. I'm sure it's the perfect system for many people (otherwise they wouldn't have sold, and continue to sell, so damn many); however, it would seem that I'm not one of those people.
I wonder idly, and this is sincerely not meant to be a derogatory comment, whether iDevices are perhaps more intuitive to people with a less technical bent. As someone immersed in various tech daily, I find them frustrating. I think when push comes to shove, I'm just not Apple's target audience.
iDevices are perhaps more intuitive to people with a less technical bent.
I think this is probably true and is certainly one of the reasons Apple stuff sells well.
People tend to bang on about limitations and Apple's walled gardens meaning they can't do X, Y and Z - but if you put those points to many Apple users then they go "Yeah but why would I want to do any of those things?"
It's not the only factor though. I am a tech head too. I write embedded software systems for a living so I'm likewise [i]"immersed in various tech daily"[/i].
I'm well aware of Apple's restrictions, but to be honest I'm quite happy with most of them. I really don't want to be faffing about rooting devices or flashing custom firmware images - I get more than enough of that at work.
I think Apple is probably a lot like Microsoft in this respect. If you just accept their way of doing things then everything is fine. If you fight against you'll find yourself continually frustrated and annoyed.
iDevices are perhaps more intuitive to people with a less technical bent.
I dunno if you are including Macbooks etc in there - but I photographed a software developers/IT consultants conference recently, and the number of Macbooks there was crazy. At a rough guess I would say 90% of the laptops were Mac - a high percentage of them Macbook Airs. Lots of iPhones too. And these people were highly paid professional geeks.
By the way - yes 'fanboys' of Apple are annoying - but for every annoying Apple fanboy there seems to be at least one 'anti-fanboy' who loves going on about how [i]all[/i] Apple users are idiots suckered by marketing hype, and how their phone is so much better.
Why do non-Apple users seem to feel the need to justify why they don't own an iPhone etc?
In a link someone posted earlier there was a quote from someone saying about the iPhone 5 'I wouldn't touch Apple products with a bargepole'. Whatever your preferences, you may say they are too expensive or whatever, unless you are fairly irrational you'd have to admit any of the recent models of iPhone or iPad is a pretty good piece of kit (as is a Samsung Galaxy).
The "religious" hatred does seem at least as strong as the "love".
MyFitnessPal app got updated yesterday and I spotted this comment on [url= http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/mike/view/iphone-version-3-4-now-available-search-your-favorites-list-passcode-lock-and-more-420800 ]their blog[/url]:
when will android get there update ? As not everyone in the world who uses this great app uses iPhone, as iPhone is way over rated & not upto date with the times !!!!!!
He's seriously complaining that his up-to-date Android doesn't have the latest up-to-date app while the not upto date iPhone does??? WTF? 🙄
Missing the bigger picture there son.
(I saw similar comments on the recent Endomondo iPhone update, despite the fact they had updated the Android version just days before)
If you want to know why iphones are so expensive, read Steve Jobs biography.
Basically you are paying for one mans obsession and legacy. Fortunately for us the mainstream has caught up with Mr Jobs / Mr Jobs innovation isn't as far ahead as he would have alluded to.
Like it says up there - Its a Smartphone. It does the same as other smart phones.
One of the worrying things that has come out of this launch is the sheer number of different standards/technologies that may be refered to as 4G.
Its mental.
We had just got to the stage where any phone would work on any network, anywhere in the world, none of the Dual/Tri/Quad band crap that we had back in the day. But with 4G all of that has gone in the bin. Just in the UK there will be 2 (or 3?) competing versions that may need different phones, go globally and its even worse.
Yep, as well as the multiple LTE frequencies, the 5 has to support GPRS, EDGE, EVDO, HSPA, HSPA+, and DC-HSDPA - as well as 802.11a, b, g and n of course.
😯 No wonder people glaze over...
Quite a good little article here on it:
[url= http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/09/the-iphone-5-is-boring-and-amazing/ ]The iPhone 5 is Boring and Amazing[/url]
In terms of the iPhone 'ecosystem' (which I know is a bit of a buzzword, but it does actually now make sense), then yes I would say, and most 'official' sources would say, that it is better. The ease with which apps, data, etc are accessible, shareable, and above all usable, seems to be a lot better than Android, Windows etc.
Not sure about the apps and data bit, and definitely disagree with the user-friendliness bit, but it's certainly true about the after-market stuff you can get (like cases, speakers and what-not).
I photographed a software developers/IT consultants conference recently, and the number of Macbooks there was crazy. At a rough guess I would say 90% of the laptops were Mac - a high percentage of them Macbook Airs.
That's one of the reasons I'm thinking about a Mac, it seems that finally a group of people who aren't hipsters or designers are using them... I'm a sheep, but I only follow my flock 🙂
Quite a good little article here on it:
A little more verbose and eloquently than I managed, but that's about what I was trying to say earlier.
They make an interesting point at the end, and one I'd agree with.
[i]"it’s probably going to remain that way for the foreseeable future."[/i]
I think that's the way the iPhone is headed. It'll be revised and iterated, and what people have in their heads as the anticipated Next Big Thing won't be the iPhone X, it'll be the iSomethingElseEntirely.
I think that's the way the iPhone is headed. It'll be revised and iterated
Yep. No one is really blown away by iPods anymore - despite how revolutionary mp3 players were back in the day.
The same is slowly happening to smartphones.
I think that's good in a way though. There is a Jony (seriously, does he realise he's missing some letters?...) Ive quote from the video of the iPhone 5 apparently where he says:
When you think about your iPhone, it’s probably the object that you use most in your life. It’s the product that you have with you all the time. With this unique relationship people have with their iPhone, we take changing it really seriously. We don’t want to just make a new phone, we want to make a much better phone.
Which I think rings very true. A lot of people equate better with introducing some fancy new technology. Which is true up to a point if said technology genuinely introduced something novel and useful (i.e. the whole touchscreen smartphone thing to start with), but not if its just there for the sake of spec top-trumps. The iPhone is the longest I've ever had a phone which basically works the same - gone are the days of having to get your head round new button configurations and crazy new technologies. The thing just works and the novelty has completely and utterly gone. I couldn't care whether it's the fastest or whatever out there as long as it does what I want it to slickly. Which it does. And to be fair, so do a lot of Android phones. At the end of the day it just comes down to what you 'bought into' first and whether you are happy with it. If you are then success! If not, then there are two other very good options to try.
Speed 12 - Yep, agreed.
I would like to reverse my positive opinion on the new Nano. Checking it out up close on the verge and ars, it actually looks like a crappy knockoff with a UI designed by a drunk toddler.
[url= https://plus.google.com/u/0/107464946668215159377/posts/MwS8XU8Lk7v ]iPhone 20[/url]
I purchase Apple products because they're innovative, high functioning and dependable ... in my experience, which is why I'll be acquiring the iPhone 5.
personally I'm an android fan and will go for an SIII in a few months. However, I spotted a rather good deal on iphone4s here
http://www.mobiles.co.uk/refer.aspx?refer=cust1381872
the deal is:
Apple iPhone 4S 16GB Black
Best deal on Three Free Apple iPhone 4S 16GB Black
iPhone Ultimate Internet 100 £31 (24 months)
£31.00 [b]effectively £25.19 monthly[/b] (with cashback)
With 100 mins + 5000 texts
PLUS Unlimited of data usage
or the same but 500 mins for £27 something. It looks a good deal to me so I htought I'#d post it up.
the link BTW is a customer referal link (if youuse it, I get cash 😀 ). I bought my current phone with them (Desire) nearly 2 years ago and can confirm they've been fine to deal with and getting the cashback payments a doddle. they are part of carphone warehouse, cheques come out from them.
I'm still going for an SIII though
[url= http://www.appy-geek.com/Web/ArticleMobile.aspx?regionid=4&articleid=4303873 ]oops[/url]
Posted from a Desire rooted to WildMild
iDevices are perhaps more intuitive to people with a less technical bent.
My mum has a smartphone, and uses it too. Remarkable.
It's Android, and it cost her about £120 sim free I think.
It's both a positive and a negative that there are so many Android devices and manufacturers. It means that you can get slower smaller screened devices for peanuts (in smartphone terms) but also that there are loads of devices for app developers to support.
Sky Go didn't work on my Motorola Atrix. Well, it probably would have, but Sky would not let me try.
Along similar lines, a really good idea for Apple (imo) would be a range of different types of iPhone. A big screened one like a Note, a really small one, a rugged one, a cheap one etc.
Or, if that's too complicated, just bring out different colours. You know a hell of a lot of people will change just for that. And then, when that's done, bring out some beautiful patterned ones. Cheap to do and it'll sell.
Manufacturers are struggling to innovate and bring something fresh to the table,
Yep.
Chromebooks, tablets including the Windows ones, 11.6" sub notebooks... what else?
I like my iPhone, I find it more intuitive than android, though admittedly my experience stops at 2.3. Iphones are more expensive but IMO they last better than other manufacturers, you can get out of warranty replacements for £129 if it does die or you kill it and you get more money for it when you sell it on. It's not bad as an overall ownership proposition.
Just read this last page, couldn't be arsed to read through all the waffle, and speed12 sums up my attitude perfectly, there's really nothing much to add to it. I got so frustrated getting a new phone that the reviews promised was the absolute bleeding edge of phone tech, only to find it was so badly flawed as to be almost unusable. N95 anyone?
When I got my iPhone 3G I could have wept with relief; at last a phone that did what I wanted without having to check with the user manual to figure out what arcane sequence you had to go through on the shonky OS just for a simple function. That continues to hold true, and there are several things on the 5 I'm thrilled about, and those are new camera functions.
Having 64Gb instead of my current 32 for OS maps in Viewranger means I can get the whole of the UK on my phone, which is cool!
I still don't understand why I'd want to 'root' a brand new phone to get it to do something it ought to do already.
But hey, that's just me. And I don't care. 😀
You were conspicuous in your absence on this thread, sir.
When you think about your iPhone, it’s probably the object that you use most in your life. It’s the product that you have with you all the time. With this unique relationship people have with their iPhone, we take changing it really seriously. We don’t want to just make a new phone, we want to make a much better phone.
Jony got his script from the marketing department...
Yep I'm sure they both work fine.
As above though you can have many shapes, sizes, speeds, colours and configuration of android to suit you not two.
I never had a problem with my N95, incidentally. Did loads of things other phones didn't do at the time, and cost me nowt. The only thing it wasn't was slick.
Ah.. maybe that's it.. Apple tapped into a market of people who were too thick to operate anything else! Genius!
Having owned Android phones for a while and owning a Touch, having access to an iphone4s and recently acquiring an iPad3 I'm genuinely surprised people think ios is the more intuitive.
Having spent hours trying to get the Google Play Store set up properly on the Mother-in-laws cheapy Android tablet I'm genuinely surprised people think Android is more intuitive! 😀
I absolutely love my iPhone, it's quite probably the best 'thing' I've ever owned in my entire 39 years. I tried android, it was shite, the apps were utter shite, and I can't see myself ever making the switching mistake again. Don't particularly like Apple, but love my iPhone.
Loddrik,what do you mean when describing the Android apps as utter shire.No problems with mine on my Defy.
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I was hell bent on getting an iphone this upgrade, until I played with the 4s in the shop versus the HTC I eventually got and the Samsung. It's horse for courses, but I (personally) find Android more intuitive than IOS (and I have an ipod touch so I'm no stranger to the format)
What troubles me more about Apple products are the lengths they go to. the phones in the shop were locked down, they werent allowed to open a box to let me have a go with one. Having also read a review on the latest Macbooks, which you can't even upgrade the RAM beyond 2gigs without ripping the thing down to its component parts It makes me wonder what they're playing at.
The tech is behind most other products on the market, although a comment on Wired yesterday made me laugh "Apple don't have to tell you what RAM is in the phone, they just need to show you a video of it working and that proves it works"........er, no, I need to know what I'm paying for.
Anyhoo, i'm enjoying my HTC, and I'm paying £10 less a month on a comparable tariff to what I would have taken had it been the iphone (and the phone was free)
