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for all the money/privileges they have, they definitely don’t have the freedoms that the rest of us do.
Bet they don’t have to worry about “what tyres for...” just buy as many as they want!
"Let’s get rid of the dirty bathwater first, because as much as I love my adopted country, there is so **** much of it."
On a rather similar note with some so called "people republic" ... They actually love their party. They love themselves only and any other perspectives are wrong. The diehard supporter would justify their cause with their party political views ... just like China. "We love our country!" ... actually they are referring to their party.
you’ll still be stuck with this infernal class-based bullshit because you fail to see what the real problems are. The Crown is just a shibboleth, and you are blinded by it.
What a baffling rant.
Are you are unable to see that it is possible to believe a class based structure is wrong AND a monarchy is wrong. It is perfectly possible to dislike both. But this thread is about monarchy. To believe that monarchy should be disbanded does not mean you are blind to the other issues. Wierd.
There's no "gilded cage", that's just royalist propaganda to make you feel good. Look at randy Andy, Charles, Diana and all the rest - screwing around with whoever they felt like, if there were a "gilded cage" do you think that would really be possible? And you really think they couldn't just pop down to the local chippy if they felt like it???
wobbliscott
Full MemberWell when you’ve sacrificed and devoted your life to a life of selfless duty to your country, charities and my other things, and fought in a war then you might pick up a few medals along the way too.
OK so screw it, why not.
He earned several service stars and clasps- campaign/theatre participation medals. He had more than most since he was navy and served in several campaigns, and was a member of the service for the full war. Same with the War Medal. All thoroughly earned.
He added an oak leaf to the war medal as he was mentioned in dispatches, which wasn't earned, not like it would have been for a normal officer. Basically you got that for doing something unusually good or brave enough to draw real attention, but not enough to earn a medal. My grandad was also mentioned in dispatches though he never had the oak leaf, not sure why- he was RAF ground crew and got it for going above and beyond and getting wounded in the process, when he was supposed to be safe in a bunker. Prince Philip OTOH got his for doing his assigned job well in action, purely favouritism/exceptionalism.
And he wore the Naval Long Service medal, which he didn't earn through active service but through honorary service. The Croix de Guerre, Greek War Cross, and Malta George Cross were nominally awarded for his war service but really just because of who he was. The Canadian Forces Decoration was honorary.
And the New Zealand Queen's Service honour and New Zealand Commemoration Medal, both for public service. He also wore an assortment of coronation and jubilee medals, which are basically public servant's medals given sometimes for merit, sometimes for who you are- quite a lot are given out and generally there's no fixed rule of why but senior royals always get one.
Quite a few of the awards are shone up with bars etc and as far as I can see these were mostly honorary/unearned- the palm on the croix de guerre frinstance.
So earned/unearned? Even if you'd stripped away all the unearned and honorary ones, he'd still have had a chest to be proud of. It must be a bit weird to have that mix tbh- to have hard earned awards being a little outshone by ones you got for existing.
My grandad was also mentioned in dispatches though he never had the oak leaf, not sure why- he was RAF ground crew and got it for going above and beyond and getting wounded in the process, when he was supposed to be safe in a bunker. Prince Philip OTOH got his for doing his assigned job well in action, purely favouritism/exceptionalism.
Served on HMS Valiant in Alexandria and two months later was mentioned in dispatches for his actions during the Battle of Cape Matapan after spotting an unexpected enemy vessel with searchlights.
This was an actual battle,
UK-
1 aircraft carrier
3 battleships
7 light cruisers
17 destroyers
Italy-
1 battleship
6 heavy cruisers
2 light cruisers
17 destroyers
The Italians lost 2000+ dead.
3 heavy cruisers sunk
2 destroyers sunk
1 battleship damaged
1 destroyer damaged
UK faired a lot better and only lost 3 men, with some slight damage to 4 cruisers,
Most of the action was carried out at about 25km. Philips own action was at under 4000m.
There aren't any bunkers in a naval battle
Apparently I've been mentioned in dispatches.
Didn't know what the hell it was when I was told. Still not entirely sure.
As I said dyna-ti, he followed orders and did his job well- normal officers don't get mentioned for that. Not sure what your point is?
My point ?, my point is you are casting doubt and shadow on the mans war record.
dyna-ti
Free MemberMy point ?, my point is you are casting doubt and shadow on the mans war record.
But you seem to think you're somehow countering what I said, with your lists and "actual battle" waffle which doesn't actually address my point- it's not even relevant. So again, what was your point?
It doesn't "cast shadow" that his admiral gave him an award because of who he was not because of what he did. It didn't undermine his service, or the worth of his actions. No more than it "casts shadow" on all the other sailors and officers who served just as bravely and well on that same day and got no additional recognition, because they weren't called Mountbatten.
Or are you taking offence at the suggestion that he didn't earn that palm either? 🙂 Does pointing that out "cast doubt" on his war record too? Why do you think being given something that you didn't earn by someone else diminishes what you really achieved? And why do you think me highlighting his earned honours is "casting shadow"?
And why do you think me highlighting his earned honours is “casting shadow”?
Highlighting ????? You werent highlighting anything, you was saying straight out his award was given to him, basically because of who he was, and even threw in a bit about dear old gramps, as way or a confirmation.
Where did you get such information from ?, you weren't there. So it was your mere, and from the sounds of it, biased opinion.
Im sure many were. Good for the admirals career to to be seen to be dishing medals out to the bosses kids
a friend of ours is part of the Royal parks service; he's also a mechanical wiz and built a scale version of one of the RP Landrovers for his son (called Linden, hence it's the Lindrover)
He's just posted this nice story