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Andy really is last decades problem. There are far more current issues to be sweating* about.
* or not
and have the right to change them and they use this right
Makes you think
Guy must be a nightmare to manage. Entitled prick, poor judgement, now skint.
This really. Plus of course he probably has the personal contact details of all sorts of folks, I would've thought any foreign govt would be pleased to have. What an eejit
If this is an issue, and it probably isn't, then this would be a good time to further examine the Tory and B.Johnson links to the Lebedevs.
I would expect more Chinese business leaders to have links to the ruling party, just as many business leaders in the UK have links to our political parties.
I believe the right is to make their views known to the minister, I don't think they can force any changes they want. Though it appears their views are generally taken into account.
I believe the right is to make their views known to the minister, I don’t think they can force any changes they want. Though it appears their views are generally taken into account.
But not necessarily acted upon. I would imagine that most things that Andy had knowledge of were relatively old or not especially important, plus I’d expect that Andy and the monarch would be ‘air-gapped’, specifically to avoid the sort of person he was known to frolic with getting even the slightest hint of anything of consequence.
I think it was Andy’s list of contacts and people he could put others in contact with were of greatest interest to other nations like China.
I would expect more Chinese business leaders to have links to the ruling party, just as many business leaders in the UK have links to our political parties.
To go further.
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Is there now a risk that any UK businessmen, who have links to any of our political parties, are now at risk of being arrested in China, under the same 'spying' pretext ?
China using this case as an excuse for political gain.
Is there now a risk that any UK businessmen, who have links to any of our political parties, are now at risk of being arrested in China, under the same ‘spying’ pretext ?
possibly, but since those relationships work the other way round here it’s entirely at the British businesssperson’s discretion not to have strong links to politicians to reduce their conflicts.
Is there now a risk that any UK businessmen, who have links to any of our political parties, are now at risk of being arrested in China, under the same ‘spying’ pretext ?
I think that's probably been the case for some time, not just because of this recent revelation. It's how authoritarian regimes generally behave; they act with impunity against whoever they want for often obscure (and politically internal) reasons that they create.
I’ve been wandering for a while if the “firm ” could get shot of him like an embarrassing in-law….
Shirley they only need to tell the royal household that he's to be treated like any visiting member of public, which is effectively what he is. Sign-in. No guests. Escorted. No mobile phones, etc.
Then offer him the post of Duke of Adelaide, with a house (and forget to mention the Island suffix) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_Island
I think that’s probably been the case for some time, not just because of this recent revelation
A couple of Canadians were arrested for "spying" back in 2018 after the Canadian government arrested Meng Wanzhou who is (maybe was) a Huawei senior exec. They got released when she did.
So very definite threat if it suits Chinese interests.
I’ve been wondering for a while if the “firm ” could get shot of him
You mean like Webley MK Vl and a bottle of Whisky ?
You mean like Webley MK Vl and a bottle of Whisky ?
Probably more likely to be a fiat uno
Just what do we think went wrong with Andrew, compared to his siblings? Seems to never miss an opportunity to be a massive idiot.
I thought with his position in the royal family he would have had some kind of assistant, perhaps what was more needed was a minder or babysitter to keep him out of trouble.
Just what do we think went wrong with Andrew, compared to his siblings? Seems to never miss an opportunity to be a massive idiot.
Most families have one like that. Money and a sense of entitlement just make it easier to go big.
Just what do we think went wrong with Andrew
He didn't change. He was consistently a self serving idiot who always thought he could do what he liked. Thought he was protected by "the firm". The world changed around him. The TV presenter scandals, MeToo movement, Weinstien. It all caught up and overtook him. Dim Andrew wasn't sharp enough to change his behavior when it was obviously well on its way when the Saville scandal broke in 2011.
To be clear, I wasn't implying that he was ok to begin with - i.e. what went wrong for this child, rather than it was all going so well what went wrong.
He’s now talking about being forced to leave the U.K., slinking off to Kuwait or Qatar or somewhere like that, all his snivelling little buddies are blaming the British people, the meeja, etc, when the problem is with him and a sense of entitlement the size of a gas giant.
And I use that simile deliberately.
And Andrew, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
I assume he wants us to pay for his ticket?
Be worth it for once.
I can see why those countries would appeal to him. The plebs arent allowed to criticise their betters there.
its a good job he doesn't sweat or he'd be feeling very clammy about now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8qz22dqdzo
"Keep in close touch and we'll play some more soon!!!!" said an email sent to Epstein from a "member of the British Royal Family", believed to be Prince Andrew.
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Well, not entirely surprising I guess...Giuffre commits suicide RIP
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cql67qk0dd3o
She seemed to be having significant difficulties over the past few years - marriage collapse, separation from kids, etc. The recent car accident story which was disputed by the police and her family was probably the last cry for help. Very sad.
Sad for her and her family.
To have found herself in Epstein's clutches in the first place probably means life was challenging from the off - they preyed on the vulnerable.
Let the conspiracy theorists commence.....
Let the conspiracy theorists commence.....
I try not to, but on a day when all eyes are looking at Rome......
So....Andy's lost his 'titles'. Though not seemingly his 'Prince' moniker.
The messaging of this is been cringy yet again - allowing him to make the statement like he's had anything to do with it.
Heart bleeds for the poor chap.
allowing him to make the statement like he's had anything to do with it.
I imagine that was deliberate, let him own the mess he's got himself into rather than skulking in the shadows
Well, he can now bin his personalised number plates.... DOY
allowing him to make the statement like he's had anything to do with it.
I imagine that was deliberate, let him own the mess he's got himself into rather than skulking in the shadows
Not really, he was allowed to give the impression it was his decision and he was doing the “honourable “ thing because that’s what an honourable chap like him does. Pathetic entitled (well not so much now!) prick. Plus he hasn’t been stripped of the titles but just given up using them so his daughters can still be princesses.
now only only able to use his remaining title Ponce Andrew
I assume 'we' still have to pay the little weasel and his ex partner ? Genuine question. TBH if we have to fund them, I only assume that would continue until Will is King as he very obviously hates Randy
I assume 'we' still have to pay the little weasel and his ex partner
No, he’s not a working royal anymore so doesn’t get paid and the King doesn’t pay him anything privately either.
Giuffre family have played a blinder. At some point I hope to see his royal nonce-ness sent to prison.
he’s not a working royal anymore so doesn’t get paid and the King doesn’t pay him anything privately either.
And as he's no longer anyone's useful idiot, no-one will be paying him off for dubious access. Thought he was effectively bankrupt and reliant on Charlie's private benevolence, so wonder how long they'll be in Windsor park, before they have to move to Slough
He should retire quietly out of public news to tend to his garden.
I mean what's the point of still wanting to be seen in public etc, after all his lifetime experiences?
The daughters are lucky they are still working royals, but I suspect their roles will also slowly diminish in future coz taxpayers might not approve.
so wonder how long they'll be in Windsor park, before they have to move to Slough
He played a blinder when his current gaff was being renovated and got himself excused from paying rent for the remainder of the 75 year lease from the crown estate. It's just the minor inconvenience if finding £260k a year it takes to run that might be a mild issue.
He’s a self serving , odious, idiot of a man. The sight of him chuckling and smiling at the Duchess of Kent’s funeral the other day summed him up. Too stupid to realise the rest of the royals think, at best, he’s a total prat while simultaneously not giving a shit either because he genuinely believes he’s better than everyone else. He would have been thinking that if he was seen to be laughing and joking with the others then the general public would see that he was still a key player in the family whilst being totally insensitive to the fact that a funeral was not the best place for a laugh and a joke.
So he won’t get use a ridiculous title and honour given to him by his mummy, he doesn’t get to unwrap presents on Christmas Day with his extended family but still gets a free luxury house and household staff, paid for indirectly by all of us. It’s like a parody.
Is he allowed to keep his Pizza Express loyalty card ?
Just asking...