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No it has not surprised me that you have done it but tbh I consider you rather amateurish 😛
Said with affection and not malice
it would not surprise me but i would require proof,have you any?
As the OJ Simpson case proves, proof can be a very malleable commodity... 😉
Given Dershowitz is now implicated in the scandal himself, this (from the wikipedia entry linked in my previous post mentioning Dershowitz) would appear to be a vast conflict of interest:
Dershowitz provided legal assistance to friend and reported billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, who was investigated following accusations that he had repeatedly solicited sex from minors. Dershowitz investigated some of Epstein's accusers and provided both the police and the State attorney’s office with a dossier containing information about their personal behavior, which had been obtained from their personal MySpace pages, including allegations of alcohol and drug use. Eventually, in 2008, Epstein pled guilty to a single state charge of soliciting prostitution and began serving an 18-month sentence.[28]
Bit of further expansion on above point:
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from:
http://nymag.com/news/features/41826/index3.html
As the OJ Simpson case proves, proof can be a very malleable commodity
Touche and well played
Their is mud being flung and certainly, after the conviction the Princes loyalty raises concerns re his judgement but we dont quite have a smoking gun
it is suspicious though
From The Sunday Times today
"PRINCE ANDREW may have immunity from prosecution for his alleged involvement in crimes committed by his billionaire sex offender friend Jeffrey Epstein under a deal struck with the United States government.
The secret plea agreement with American prosecutors in 2007 protects Epstein, an investment banker convicted of soliciting sex from underage girls, along with any of his “potential co-conspirators” from a number of criminal charges relating to an alleged international sex trafficking ring established to serve the rich and famous.
Details of the “non-prosecution agreement” emerged after Andrew was forced to deny sensational allegations made in US court papers that he had “sexual relations” with a 17-year-old girl, who claims she was used as a “sex slave” by Epstein.
Last night Buckingham Palace was on the defensive as it emerged that:
•Documents filed at court in Florida and obtained by The Sunday Times allege that Epstein obtained his secret deal through his “significant social and political connections”. They claim Andrew and Bill Clinton, the former US president, made “efforts” on behalf of Epstein to secure him a “more favourable” deal.
•The senior American prosecutor who negotiated the deal now believes it should have been “tougher”.
•Alan Dershowitz, Epstein’s high-profile lawyer, was again forced to deny that he had sexual relations with the alleged victim or any underage person “ever in my life”."
Wonder who negotiated that?
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JHJ - you may well be on to something, but your sources are pretty weak. Step it up if you want to be taken more seriously.
Any recommendations for sources providing rock solid concrete proof to incarcerate an extremely powerful global cartel of deviants, arms dealers and racketeers gofasterstripes? 😆
gov.uk do it for ya? 😉
Aim higher and get a proper big hitter
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😀 Still working on big hitter status; need someone like this guy:
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Check tha neck!!
if you had a really good friend, who you absolutely trusted, and they were convicted of something but kept re-assuring you they were innocent would you drop them completely or would your friendship/trust trump that?
I have a very close family member whose partner's in law relative (father of one with one one the way) has been convicted of intercourse etc with a13 year old. My family member isn't that close to the perp ,but certainly won't be going to socialise with him in the future..very awkward .:-(
But back to the op..crikey,I was just saying to the family , there's this thread on single track and this bloke keeps on mentioning global conspiracy stuff and it's keeps on coming out ....better than x files.
Keep it up jhj.
Obviously he'll get away with it.........
Edit-I phone messed up quotation thingy -sorry
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Epstein, Maxwell, Dersherwitz, Rothschild: had they all been muslamic and abusing gentile girls then that would have become a big part of the story. What's the odds Hollywood will make a film about this lot?
Looks like it's the beginning of the end ...
We shall see the first UK President in two generations time.
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@chew the Monarchy is stronger than ever, popularity has never been higher
If these women thought a crime had been committed they can make a report to the police in the US or UK or wherever the alleged offense took place. They haven't done so as they have chosen a path of "trial by media"
jambalaya - Member@chew the Monarchy is stronger than ever, popularity has never been higher
Depressing, isn't it?
Life is very black and white to you isnt it.
I've only been half following this so apologies if it's a dull question, but is he basically being accused of sleeping with a 17 year old?
Ie, he's allegedly broken a local state law, and everyone's playing the Noncegate card again? If it'd happened here, the national reaction would probably have been "good on ya, son."
I think it's more that the 17 year old wasn't entirely willing.
If it'd happened here, the national reaction would probably have been "good on ya, son."
I doubt it, unless "here" is Berlusconi's Italy.
I doubt it, unless "here" is Berlusconi's Italy
Not sure how you came to that conclusion, age of consent here is 16, in Italy it's 18. But whatever...
reference to Bunga bunga parties
Pretty sure they weren't a public hit either.
I think the wording of the palace statement may tell a story. 'Underage minor' is a strange way to describe someone but this statement was not written by an illiterate and so I an only presume the words have been very carefully selected.
Lifer - Member
jambalaya - Member@chew the Monarchy is stronger than ever, popularity has never been higher
Depressing, isn't it?
In two generations time you see the last King and first UK President (the King becomes the first president) but that's it. No more monarchy here.
@Cougar, the odd thing is he hasn't really been accused formally. There is a reference to the under age girls being forced to sleep with him and others but it's not a formal complaint / lawsuit against him. He has been named as part of a case against the US Federal Prosecutors who the girls allege shouldn't have signed a plea-bargain/agreement with Epstein.
@Lifer, not depressing to me at all, exactly how I would wish things to be.
exactly how I would wish things to be.
Why?
Its one of those things I genuinely cannot grasp. Why would anyone think that the concept of royalty is anything other than abhorrent?
'Underage minor' is a strange way to describe someone
It is. As opposed to what, an overage minor? An underage major?
@Cougar, the odd thing is he hasn't really been accused formally. There is a reference to the under age girls being forced to sleep with him and others but it's not a formal complaint / lawsuit against him. He has been named as part of a case against the US Federal Prosecutors who the girls allege shouldn't have signed a plea-bargain/agreement with Epstein.
Gotcha, cheers.
All a bit of a non-story so far, then. Interesting to see it's not just the British media who make up sensationalist shite in order to shift newspapers.
@Cougar - it's not the media who are making it up as such, it's a tactic from the girls lawyers to generate publicity/pressure.
It's our history and the very foundation of our nation
Was this info known by US prosecutors before the plea bargaining?
Edit, Jambo you could say the same about slavery
Its not just the media or this womans lawyers that have made it into a story
prince andrew's frirendship with and publicly stated support of a notorious paedophile, before and after his conviction has given it legs
against a background of a series of very high profile sexual abuse scandals and Theresa Mays disastrously handled investigation into historic child abuse, public interest is justifiably high
@aa, it's not clear what the Federal prosecutors knew before they agreed the plea bargain.
It's our history
So is genocide, slavery and imperialism, to a name a few things.
Do you want those back as well?
"....the very foundation of our nation."
More like a national embarrassment.
it's not clear what the Federal prosecutors knew before they agreed the plea bargain.
If they knew this and let it get covered up I reckon releasing all the info is a valid response.
@kimbers, I am not sure I would say Epstein was "notorious", there are others who've done far worse. Prince Andrew apologised for his contact and severed all ties with him. You are quite right to point out the "backdrop" I have no doubt the US lawyers want to create maximum publicity. Theresa May has put forward a number of very credible senior figures to chair the enquiry.
Well we can move on from the Monarchy as it's clear there won't be a sensible discussion
It's our history and the very foundation of our nation
What does that actually mean?
Should there ever be any chance that Teflon Andrew will get into any kind of legal proceedings you can be quite sure that anyone giving evidence will either be paid off or suffer a nasty car accident.
When the royals want rid of you they are very good at "car accidents". Look at that one in Paris as an example.
22K a week ski chalet? Wonder what extras were included...
Its one of those things I genuinely cannot grasp. Why would anyone think that the concept of royalty is anything other than abhorrent?
Because having a doddery old girl who means well and doesn’t have to worry about pandering to the voters in charge (technically) is slightly less dangerous than some of the alternatives?
Theresa May has put forward a number of very credible senior figures to chair the enquiry.
The victims groups certainly don't share that opinion. They think the whole thing is a shambolic farce. Thats what it looks like from where I'm sitting too.
What Theresa May has repeatedly demonstrated is that she doesn't get it at all. And that her idea of 'independent and impartial' differs quite considerably from that of the victims, who seem to be being treated as a nuisance, rather than what they are: people who've been forced to endure horrific sexual abuse