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Junkyard - why don't you **** off and get a sense of humour for once?
Then the mods took the posts down because they're either part of the conspiracy or don't want to have a load of conspiracy theory hoohaw posted on their site.
Or because the young lady in question had a nipple showing?
I heard this on the radio this morning.
He'd really be in trouble if he'd had sex with Underage Miners.
She has a (small) gonad showing in the NSFW version 😉
Well, if pictures are proof, there's a picture of me in existence in which I'm wearing a pink tutu, holding an inflatable sheep and standing next to a DeLorean.
Somebody call the press!
Awesome use of the edinburgh there but I dont blame you for not trying to defend the character description for a convicted sex offender and just lashing out at me instead
It was poor judgement on your part referring to a sex offender as a character and stand up comedies loss really is our gain.
I think it may be wiser if you work on your "jokes".
Somebody call the press!
Despite the fantasy you peddle, you're not [i]that[/i] big a cheese.
If his cheese is on display, big or otherwise, then I want to see that picture
#strangest
😀 @ Junky!
Andrew looks coked up off his tits in that NSFW photo
She has a (small) gonad showing in the NSFW version
Glad I didnt teach you biology!!
jy - I think you need to stop taking everything so damn literally, and leave your arrogant and superior tone at the door.
Andrew has been linked with all sorts of criminal types. I'm sorry my limited vocabulary couldn't come up with a better catch all term to describe them.
However we may feel about the guy and his actions, all we have [i] at this stage[/i] is an allegation that he did something that may not be illegal.
teamhurtmore - Member
She has a (small) gonad showing in the NSFW version
😆 Reminds me of this pic. Don't delete mods, it's an optical illusion.
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C_R, almost choked on that one!
The court case has been around for some time, I remember reading about links and allegations some while back, possibly on a USA page.
"He once counted Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Kevin Spacey and Naomi Campbell among his associates, frequently lent his private jet to powerful contacts and became famed for his extravagant parties."
"Epstein was arrested in 2005, after the stepmother of a 14-year-old girl told Florida police he had paid $200 for an erotic massage with her daughter, and later became the subject of an FBI investigation.
By the following year prosecutors said they had identified 40 young women who may have been illegally procured by Epstein. Dozens of his alleged victims are reported to have settled with Epstein out of court.
The federal inquiry was eventually dropped after Epstein negotiated a deal with prosecutors in which he agreed to plead guilty to a relatively minor state charge relating to soliciting paid sex with a minor. He served 13 months of an 18-month sentence and is now a registered sex offender.
A lawsuit against the US government brought by two of Epstein’s alleged victims, who are unhappy with the terms of the plea deal, has been ongoing for more than six years."
Both excerpts quoted from
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/02/jeffrey-epstein-rise-and-fall-of-teacher-turned-tycoon
"Many of Epstein’s contacts rapidly disappeared when he became the subject of criminal proceedings that eventually resulted in 2008 in an 18-month jail term for soliciting prostitution with an underage girl after an 11-month police investigation.
But Andrew remained unswervingly – even perplexingly – loyal.
In 2011, a friend of both men told Vanity Fair magazine that Epstein had helped shape the Prince as a more relaxed individual – but after the financier’s conviction Andrew had been advised to sever all links.
The unnamed friend said the Prince told him: “Leave me alone, Jeffrey’s my friend. Being loyal to your friends is a virtue. And I’m going to be loyal to him.
At least until December 2010, that loyalty manifested itself in meetings between the two men, including several holidays. When Epstein was released from jail, the Prince was on a guest list for a dinner at his Fifth Avenue mansion which also included Woody Allen. The financier proved a worthy and generous friend, at one point paying £15,000 to help an indebted Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess of York."
Planet is too populated so off with all their heads to free up some oxygen ... 😈
So if you had a good friend (not just a pub mate) that was convicted of a similar offence that had no direct impact on you what would you do? I'd like to think I would not just abandon them?
"So if you had a good friend (not just a pub mate) that was convicted of a similar offence that had no direct impact on you what would you do? I'd like to think I would not just abandon them? "
In this situation, buying off under age girls and their families - damn right I would abandon them. They would be gone faster than yesterdays rubbish. Even faster if (1) my job was representing my country (2) I had daughters of my own, so I could relate even more to how disgusting the behaviour of this convicted criminal has been.
buying off under age girls
Hmmm, not sure that's actually correct though, is it?
[Devils Advocate]The linked articles state that the legal age of consent is 18 in Florida and that she was 17_when this happened but it happened in NY, somewhere in the US Virgin Isles and London.
Now, maybe someone else can look up the law in other locations, but she would have been "legal" in London..[/Devils Advocate]
But, as I'm not a royalist, burn him anyway! 🙂
The federal age of consent in North America is between 16 and 18, and apparently 12 in Mexico:
The ages of consent in North America for sexual activity vary by jurisdiction.The age of consent in Canada is 16. All U.S. states set their limits between 16 and 18.
The age of consent in Mexico is complex. Typically, Mexican states have a "primary" age of consent (which may be as low as 12), and sexual conduct with persons below that age is always illegal. Sexual relations between adults and teenagers under 18 are left in a legal gray area: laws against corruption of minors as well as estupro laws can be applied to such acts, at the discretion of the prosecution. These laws are situational and are subject to interpretation.
The ages of consent in the countries of Central America range from 15 to 18.
Still could have been worse, he could have been cozying up to people like Saddam Hussein, Colonel Gaddafi, and various dubious leaders of former Soviet republics, but you'd never catch someone like Andy, let alone a British Ptime-minister, hanging out with despots and mass-murderers...
Oh, wait...
Two Monkey Dust in a day
buying off under age girls
Hmmm, not sure that's actually correct though, is it?
As regards Epstein, it's wholly on the money;
[url= http://cases.bms11.com/Documents/FL76/09-34791/ECF_DOC_1603_10567451.pdf ]Girls as young as 12 recruited as sex slaves[/url]
How much Prince Andrew knew of this is subject to conjecture at this stage, however, it is said that Ghislaine Maxwell (Robert Maxwell's Daughter and the woman in the picture further up the thread) is described as a madam and [url= http://www.****/news/article-2894911/Andrew-age-sex-slave-Duke-denies-claim-court-papers-teen-picked-sleep-Robert-Maxwell-s-daughter.html ]‘a primary co-conspirator in [Epstein’s] sexual abuse and sex trafficking scheme’.[/url]
Can't say with certainty that everything presented in this link is wholly true, but it's conceivable... among documented fact is:
[url= http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/sandringham-and-jeffrey-epstein.html ]In December 2000, Jeffrey Epstein, visited Sandringham. Epstein was given permission to land his private jet at an RAF base for the visit.
The flight log of Epstein's Gulfstream showed it landed at RAF Marham on 7 December 2000, before Epstein visited the Queen's Norfolk residence. [/url]
[quote=teamhurtmore said]C_R, almost choked on that one!
One night in Bangkok ?
I think midnight hour nailed it
I had daughters of my own, so I could relate even more to how disgusting the behaviour of this convicted criminal has been.
Andy's old obviously a dick if he doesn't abandon a 'friend' who's got that background
Or he knows he has to keep him onside.
Still could have been worse, he could have been cozying up to people like Saddam Hussein, Colonel Gaddafi, and various dubious leaders of former Soviet republics,
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it's shocking obviously a wrong un'
Dershowitz (sic) was on radio a few minutes ago denying everything..mentioned Rothschild and a former PM. Only thing missing from his speech was lizard men.
anagallis_arvensis - MemberOr he knows he has to keep him onside.
This certainly has a ring of truth about it.
So if you had a good friend (not just a pub mate) that was convicted of a similar offence that had no direct impact on you what would you do? I'd like to think I would not just abandon them?
I am struggling to think of a reason to remain friends with a middle aged gent who shags 14 year olds for money
Could you explain your thinking?
Personally I would drop the convicted sex offender like a hot stone pausing momentarily only to [s]hurl abuse[/s] express my disappointment at them
So for someone not up to speed with this story, exactly how old is the girl in the pic who Jive linked to with her breast hanging out...
Just checking incase I need to wipe my hard disk before I get carted away in the nonce wagon...
Turns out Alan Dershowitz, who also stands accused and denies claims, stating Jane Doe #3 is a liar, was on OJ Simpson's defence team.
What happened with OJ Simpson in the end anyhoo?
Find Jeffrey Epstein's extensive VIP contacts very interesting, given his apparent trafficking racket, it reminded me of the Franklin Scandal:
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[url= http://www.sott.net/article/236161-Men-Who-Hate-Women-The-Franklin-Scandal-and-the-Truth-About-Our-Leaders ]Mounting evidence to suggest that many elites indulge in similar (and worse) activities[/url]
Seems Andrew may have lobbied the US government on behalf of Epstein:
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I'd like to think I would not just abandon them?
I wouldn't[i] just[/i] abandon them, no. But I don't think that's what you mean!
Given latest allegations that Jeffrey Epstein had hidden cameras to film any potentially compromising activity:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...filmed-4915421
What strikes me is that [b]like Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jeffrey Epstein was a member of both the Trilateral Commission and Council on Foreign Relations.[/b]
Given well documented espionage/blackmail techniques, if there was any truth in this:
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[b]given the power and influence of people involved, if you had footage of them in compromising positions, it would be a handy means of coercion to encourage pursuit of any agendas which the Trilateral Commission or Council on Foreign Relations had devised...[/b]
http://www.****/news/arti...ice-probe.html'Documents claim the prince tried to use his influence to help Epstein during the police probe and demands the American government be ordered by the court to hand over correspondence.
The women’s lawyers say it will show Prince Andrew and Harvard Law School expert Alan Dershowitz lobbied against Epstein being prosecuted.'
'From his 97-page ‘black book’ of phone numbers and email addresses, it is clear Epstein had an impressive array of contacts.
When its contents were disclosed three years ago, the book was shown to include contact details for former US President Bill Clinton, ex-secretary of state Henry Kissinger, and Barbara Walters, then one of America’s most influential broadcasters.
Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson’s details are there, along with entrepreneur Donald Trump, members of the Kennedy family and former prime minister Tony Blair. There is also an entry for Mr Blair’s former spin doctor Alastair Campbell – but with a Downing Street number, not his personal mobile phone.
Formula One’s Bernie Ecclestone, Eddie Irvine, Jacques Villeneuve and Flavio Briatore are listed – by numbers relating to their ‘boat/plane’.
It has previously been reported that at varying times President Clinton, Prince Andrew, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, New Mexico’s ex-governor Bill Richardson and the former US treasury secretary Larry Summers had all been passengers on Epstein’s fleet of private jets.'
A flaw in the conspiracy stuff is the fact that this news gets out. Under the systems/structures highlighted above that would be impossible. Figures in power are more accountable now not less. And look at the trouble many if the companies highlighted are in. Given their supposed immense power over the rest of us (sic), odd that they can't manage their own businesses very well!
So anyway. Not just related to this case but more of a general question; if you had a really good friend, who you absolutely trusted, and they were convicted of something [b]but kept re-assuring you they were innocent[/b] would you drop them completely or would your friendship/trust trump that? If thinking of all those court cases where the verdict ends up in some doubt. We're probably more aware of the celebrity ones like OJ Simpson and Oscar Pistorius but there must be hundreds/thousands of others.
I would point out that the bit where he confessed meant he could no longer profess his innocence.
As for the the rest it would all depend
Some mistakes/errors of judgement/ crimes I could,possibly, forgive;being a convicted sex offender is not amongst them
[quote=Junkyard ]I would point out that the bit where he confessed meant he could no longer profess his innocence.In this particular case that's true (although plea bargaining does perhaps play a part in someones readiness to confess).
You've possibly missed the question - if the person was still protesting their innocence?As for the the rest it would all depend
Some mistakes/errors of judgement/ crimes I could,possibly, forgive;being a convicted sex offender is not amongst them
A flaw in the conspiracy stuff is the fact that this news gets out. Under the systems/structures highlighted above that would be impossible. Figures in power are more accountable now not less. And look at the trouble many if the companies highlighted are in. Given their supposed immense power over the rest of us (sic), odd that they can't manage their own businesses very well!
That is an entirely fair point; however; there will always be leaks;
a possible explanation could be that rigid censorship of such stories would only cause further suspicion, especially now we have the internet to fill in the gaps that TV, newspapers and the news providers fail to highlight...
for example; have any of the Mainstream News outlets mentioned Epstein's membership of Trilateral Commission or CFR?
Or made the possible link between that and Prince Andrew's heavy involvement in the Arms trade?
Or indeed the fact that Alan Dershowitz, who also stands accused, [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30664060 ]was basically the driving force behind the BBC's coverage[/url], [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz#O.J._Simpson_.281995.29 ]despite having defended Epstein (and OJ Simpson)?[/url]
In this particular case that's true (although plea bargaining does perhaps play a part in someones readiness to confess).
to plea bargain you need to be guilty otherwise you demand your day in court where you will be set free
You've possibly missed the question
My answer remains the same - it depends but the worse the nature of the offence the less likely i am to stand by them.
Yes - innocent until proven otherwise, although a friendship would not survive acquittal on a technicality for me, it would have to be substantial proof of innocence as opposed to the other way round.
And of course - if a friend absolutely protested innocence to me and then was shown to no only be guilty, but also to have blatantly lied to me as well - then I'd burn them twice over for that, because that's no basis to maintain a friendship.
I am not sure what you are trying to do their Jive you seem to have shown a lawyer defended someone for money....this is not news to me even if surprises you.
I am not sure what you are trying to do their Jive you seem to have shown a lawyer defended someone for money....this is not news to me even if surprises you.
Would it surprise you if a professional manipulator of the truth told a fib to cover their own ass?