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Maybe you need to think about how many items of PPE your subsidised ride to work is costing. I understand that your employers are, in your opinion, a bunch of incompetents but reporting your “win” in the current climate seems rather crass.
No its not! If the policy is he get compensated for his relocation, that's what he should get. What next NHS staff forgoing their pay/shift allowances as its taking money out of NHS that could be spent on PPE?
Maybe you need to think about how many items of PPE your subsidised ride to work is costing. I understand that your employers are, in your opinion, a bunch of incompetents but reporting your “win” in the current climate seems rather crass.
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So is TJ basically a poor version of Richard Branson?
Don't feel compelled to get into the rights or wrongs of if the travel should be toil or not. But......is it total travel time that is being allowed as part of your working hours or the difference between the new and the old location? So if say the old place was 4 miles and the new 7, do you get 3 miles of 7 worth of time back?
Classic "rock and a hard place" update TJ. Might have been better, especially in the current environment, to have kept this quiet for a few months 😉
TJ, I think my previous post might have been a bit harsh, let me try to explain. I think you are probably right in everything you've done, your employer has stuffed up and not handled the situation well. You've personally come out of it OK despite being dragged through something for six months that could of and should have been sorted quite quickly, as you've accepted you were in part to blame for that but probably less than your employer.
I think the the bit that has probably brought out the worst in the rest of us is that you've come across a bit entitled, which is ironic as you probably are entitled under your contract and NHS procedures.
Private sector don’t always get it right either
Let me correct that for you, the private sector very rarely gets it right and usually drives a bulldozer through employees rights. The law isn't much help either, I was in a very difficult position 18 months ago where work had made me ill and then effectively dismissed me. Everything they did was technically and morally wrong. I took good legal advice which effectively made me realise that fighting it in a tribunal was risky even though I had a strong case and payouts were limited. Punitive damages weren't an option and a payout was definitely capped. Anyway my lawyer gave my old employer a taste of their own medicine and covered his fee many times over in extra payout.
I suppose the point is many of us feel a little aggrieved at your attitude knowing how we've been treated in the past and how little we could realistically do about it despite trying. That however doesn't make it right to wade in and abuse you. Despite the shambles your employer has been they've actually looked after you and treated you with more thought than most, it might not feel like it but it's true.
There's lots of bad employers and bad employees out there who game the system, there's probably even more good employees and employers who the system fails.
Well done for persevering, in reality probably your only fault was posting it up all on here without realising you would be judged by criteria you weren't aware of, but we all do that everyday posting on here.
Young TJ was a hottie!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
To be clear. I am certain I am being moved under the pretext of protecting me - something that is no longer actually needed or justified. The real reasons will be that I raised some very difficult issues that affect all staff and pointed out false statements made by my ward manager. Moving me means the senior management will not have to address this.
What they offered me in terms of travel would have cost £20 per day and caused disruption and resentment on my new ward which is why I proposed a different solution which will cost at most £10 a month and cause no disruption - and leaves me seriously out of pocket. ( £700 cost of an ebike kit) and with a much longer working day.
I accepted because continuing to work where the manager has been trying to get rid of me would be unpleasant and because continuing to stand up for myself in the current situation would be wrong
Hi TJ. Everything you’ve done seems fine to me. You didn’t roll over when approached by heavyweights and fought your corner. Well done.
And if anyone is trying to equate HR departments with frontline nursing staff they really need to get a bit of perspective.
No one was clapping last night for middle management.
Could you buy the bike kit on the Cycle2Work work scheme ?
NO - not allowed parts, too slow, only preferred suppliers
Having close experience of a broadly similar scenario (I won't bore you with details regarding the lying, incompetent, vindictive bastards) I can say is well done and pleased you got an outcome you are happy with.
final update if anyone cares.
I got a letter a while back from HR saying " hope you are happy , as far as we are concerned end of story" I wrote back saying "no I am far from happy as many things remain unresolved and i am not prepared to do this commute over winter"
Result - it was kicked upstairs a couple of management tiers for yet another meeting and I finally got an adult who understands policy. I was given an apology, I am moving back to my original unit, I am to have a one to one no minutes " clear the air meeting" with the ward manager
35 shifts left!
I am to have a one to one no minutes ” clear the air meeting” with the ward manager
#prayforwardmanager
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Nice one TJ. Insert 'thumbs up' emotican here.
Yes, good for you TJ but only what you were entitled to.
I don’t know why people spend so much time tearing down others when what they should be doing is organising and getting a better deal for themselves and their co-workers.
This. The shysters in Government are orcestrating a race to the bottom based on seeding hatred between us. Unionise before it's too late and we're all working zero hours with no protections.
certainly doing a commute over 5 miles would be unacceptable to me and I do like my two day week.
It's a year and 9mo max.... (assuming that is the worst option)
If you're able to ride then why 5 miles?
3x8hrs with time either side to ride... and still 4d off a week?
I don’t know why people spend so much time tearing down others when what they should be doing is organising and getting a better deal for themselves and their co-workers.
Because this place is full of aspirational middle managers...
steve - I realise this comes over a bit like moon on a stick but as above finally resolved to my satisfaction
the reason for not wanting the commute is down to time and unpleasantness. Even on the ebike i get sweaty and it takes 35 mins+ - I have to be on duty at 7am and thus need a shower. At my original job I could shower at home and pootle in in 5 mins ie leave home at 6.50, the post I was transferred to I have to leave my house at 6.05
Its also crossing Edinburgh in the dark and with really disruptive roadworks on my route. doing it with lockdown traffic levels in the light is one issue, doing it with normal traffic levels and dark is another altogether. NO near misses for months over the summer. two in the last 3 days
Nice one TJ, hope the clear the air meeting goes well...
Good stuff.
Can’t help but think it’s only because you’ve got so little time left they’re obliging but regardless it’s good for you.
Can’t help but think it’s only because you’ve got so little time left
but, but, we've already lost him once 🙁
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I strongly suspect some backchannell discussions with my union rep who knew I was not going to let it go and thus they knew that an apology and return to previous post would shut me up rather than facing a grievance that would show their incompetence.
TJ, I'd enjoy working with you but I'd hate to manage you in any way, shape or form!
Get retired, do some stuff part time and give those poor buggers a rest!
The folk slagging TJ off should remember all he wanted and got was what he was entitled too. More like him and management would have to unbastard themselves a bit more. Helmets are a cracking idea on all ebikes, bust especially and ebike, mind.
Crikey. who me?
I am actually not that bad so long as two things happen - they are straight with me and give clear direction! But tell me lies or disadvantage me by not following policy and I will go into my jack russell act. don't give me clear direction and i go off on tangents. Be a good manager and i am a model professional!