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Take chewkw's advice! Except that last bit.
All sounds sensible to me. I'd let off a couple of rounds with the shotgun and leave the shells in the porch so they have a nice fresh smell.
Plastic lined room and access to a pig farm? Getting rid of the vehicle could be the difficult bit.
Don't be surprised if they were legit. My old dears open their garden 6 months of the year, all week, and they have people turning up all hours dispite huge 'closed' signs, and then trot out 'what signs?', 'but we've come a long way' etc. however, you can spot the dodgy ones ie 2 girls turning up wanting to look around for a potential wedding venue, but then trying the same trick later on in the season and the following year.
[quote=Scamper said]Don't be surprised if they were legit.
3 days on the trot, at dusk each time, hostile when challenged ? C'mon 😀
We used to have simlar issues when working gamekeeper, poachers, new age travelers, or just chancers.
You can use the.minimum force necessary to remove them from you property 99% of the time asking was all it took but we have used 12 blokes, 2 dogs and 3 4x4 tractors before now! Police were just there to make sure we did not kill them during the removal process. ****ing useless.
Put some private property sign up GOOD cctv WITH cctv warning signs and some noisy animals/ birds if you cannot have a dog, geese or guinea fowl are excellent guard animals btw
In fact I'd highly recommend the Guinea Fowl TBH we used to have about 12 in every pheasent pen and you could hear when something was about, fox or man for bloody miles on a still night lol 😀
Sounds oh so familiar.
Usual excuse around here for strange vans driving slow(a singletrack not through road leading to houses and a couple of farms) is " lost my dog mate looking for him" - " yeah well he isnt in my garage so keep moving "
Make it obvious im taking a photo as they drive off.
I work on the premise that just being spotted and noted keeps them away either that or i have nothing of interest in my shed of many things(and no dogs)
Keep stuff locked up and out of sight will help if they do get up to the house . Worth leaving your landy or something at the gate up by the house during hours of darkness when your not expecting anyone ?
Getting rid of the vehicle could be the difficult bit.
You forget who you are dealing with here.
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Well for balance I turned up to view someone's garden about a month away from when it was open. They were part of a modern gardens open day, but weren't opening on the same day as everyone else and I didn't notice that detail in the literature. No signs, and they were sat outside having a cuppa when we rolled up the drive. Once I got over the embarrassment of being a numpty they did let us have a look round and were OK about the whole thing.
Though it wasn't dusk, and I wouldn't have kicked off if they asked me to leave, and I only did it once. So not the same at all then.
Oh and what was said above about gamies , they are great people to get to know , although when i first moved to drumtochty i used to get stopped and questioned in my van at night - and once you explained where you lived , and what the van was for they were happy and helpful.
Then when i got the landy - same process till they knew it was me.
They are only protecting their lively hood , and once they know you there looking out for you too .....
A quick update.
I went back to the Police station early this morning. I was interviewed by a very understanding Police officer. They took a statement. Checked the car details. They are going to visit the registered keeper today. Data protection limits what they could tell me.
The officer said they will come and visit me this afternoon to get an idea of the lay of the land just in case they should come back again. They are going to put the car details and anything else they know on their Intel machine.
My mother suggested that asking the scotes for the £3.50 entrance fee might equally be a valid deterrent. That's per scrote. It comes to the Parkinson's Society.
I feel a lot more reassured this
I've visited a couple of neighbours this morning to relay the number and the experience.
That there is good POlice (said in broad Baltimore Irish accent)
By the way - fishing line and cheap rape alarms off eBay are where it's at for perimeter defence at the moment, much cheaper and more distinctive sound than the shotgun shell alarm mines
We had a few visitors of similar suspicion along the South Loch Tay road - again police were good at keeping an eye out, especially when there were two entrances to the singletrack road 14 miles apart....they would just sit at dusk/evening and wait.....
An update update.
I left the Police station early this morning, I stopped off at couple of neighbours on the way home.
In that time the Police officers had visited my property and they had chased up the car's registered keeper.
Turns out it belonged to the scrote's father who wasn't best pleased at what use it was being put to. The scrote refused to disclose who the female driver was. He isn't duty bound to reveal her name.
He tried on the 'just out for a drive' line with the Police who were having none of it. He was told in no uncertain terms that if he returned there would be an escalation in our response and that of the Police.
The father's car now features on an intel database. The Police wouldn't disclose whether the scrote was known to them.
So within a few hours of the exchange the Police have landed on his doorstep. That's as much as anyone could hope for.
We will sleep a little easier tonight.
I think the fishing line rape alarm is a great idea. My better than my brother's plank with nails homemade stinger across the drive.
I visited all my remaining neighbours along the hill, so everyone will be a bit more vigilant about their security.
Blimey. I think all we could expect down here is varying degrees of indifference if the same thing happened!
this all goes to show just how stupid your average burglar is. He's casing a potential target so he goes 3 days running despite being seen, while it's still light enough to see him and take a reg plate, driving his old man's car and taking his missus along for the ride. I think it's safe to assume he's well known to your local coppers.
Hopefully that will be the end of it. However, the last 20 minutes of Skyfall give some excellent tips on home security.
Expensive though Harry. Sacrificial Aston, helicopter and Manor House.
Discourages repeat offending though.
As well as parking the Landie up at the house, maybe another car just outside the access road (maybe not anything too flash :). Might make the "passing by" harder to do.
But good on your local polis sounds like they're right on your case and almost ready for it?
Mate's farm outbuilding was ransacked the other month - definitely had been cased as it's not at all visible from main road, on the same night a disparate group of properties also raided..
I used to get upset - a bit - at being stopped by local farmers or landowners when out for a quite spin in or around their open grounds, but of late I've come to realise the suspicions the hold - not about me, obviously, but at random folk passing by, maybe more than once, sometimes at night..
Blimey, good work by the local rozzers.
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Police were just there to make sure we did not kill them during the removal process. * useless.
No doubt * useless in terms of assisting you, but also abiding by what they can and can't lawfully do.
said I had no right to photograph his property
You cant take a picture of his car, but he can drive up and down your private drive? Pull the other one. Good to hear its all on record.
I think the fishing line rape alarm is a great idea. My better than my brother's plank with nails homemade stinger across the drive.
Get in trouble for that... However a plank over the road that activates an air horn works [i]very[/i] well
Lots of cheap trail cameras on eBay as well.
Take the phots and be very obvious about it. Whilst confrontation is unpleasant the piles of human poo in tracksuits very rarely understand normal behaviour. Advise them you are showing the photo to the police and if they have decided you have broken the law they can tell you so after you have shown them their picture and licence plate. If its your floks I am go for CCTV and sign saying number plates are recorded. It's not illegal and puts people off. Hope all works out well.
A couple of red flashing LEDS (cheap rear bike lights) mounted in the trees just inside the gates to the estate look like some form of movement sensor and at as a very cheap discouragement. On at dusk, off in the morning.
there is a company that advertises night vision cameras for farms on Farm Watch (Facebook group).
as for getting a dog, get geese instead. They will make a lot of noise and can be nasty and you won't get in trouble under the dangerous dogs act 😉
oh and you can eat them too
oh and you can eat them too
Who'd want to eat a scrote?
Sounds to me very much like the scrote (and probably his father if the only details they had were the registration) were known to the local police.
I got cut up and verbally and physically threatened by a white van driver a couple of years ago - he hadn't spotted the police about 200 yards up the road so after he drove off I calmly cycled up to them and gave them the reg which the officer radioed through and the response I got was that they would definitely be paying him a visit. He was arrested at 3am about a week later and then I got my day in court. Sadly he didn't show up to receive his £800 fine, 6 points, 200hours community service and £100 victim surcharge in person. After the trial and before sentencing the magistrates were told of his long list of previous similar incidents.