PM me with your plans first and I’ll get an incident logged so the lads leave you and your goat in peace.
Cheers fella. Just so it's clear, the goat is totally legit and fully documented with a verified pedigree. It's also safe around other livestock. I know that's not mentioned specifically in the advice, but I do feel it's within the spirit of 'things'.
do rozzers read that guidance? If I go family Kayaking [1] with my young kids will they know from that document it’s kosher?
I’m also a bit worried about publish shaming by people who think it’s not Kosher.
[1] 5 minute drive, 2 hours exercise, more intense than an allotment visit.
I’ve only skim read it but it seems to be encouraging a pragmatic approach so I would hope most cops would. (In England obviously, we already have common sense up here 😉).
Personally I’d have no issue with the kayaking and I think most of my colleagues would be the same. That said, we’re lucky enough to live and work in an area of very low population density, so maybe we see it a bit differently? The only enforcement I’m aware of in our area are people driving up from the south for a day out because they’re bored, who’ve been given tickets and been sent homeward, tae think again. I can’t say what would happen elsewhere but for me the important thing is whether or not what people are doing risks spreading the virus or not, because that’s the overriding issue.
BWD - sounds like you’ve been very responsible in your preparation and goat husbandry, which is to be applauded. Mind out for ticks.
I think they should be wearing masks at least for their own protection. Even if it is of minor use they are getting close enough to directly speak to you and 2m is a bit to exacting to be wholly accurate.
The WHO website states transmission as coughing, sneezing or speaking. And im sure with the latter a policeman/woman speaking to you isnt speaking normally, but lecturing directly at you, so I would logically think they would project further than casual speaking.
6 months ago people were complaining theres not enough police, and the police themselves saying they need more officers and increased budgets.
Seems to be a hell of a lot of them on patrol now.
BWD – sounds like you’ve been very responsible in your preparation and goat "husbandry"
You mean it's acceptable if you're in a manonagoat relationship ?
The WHO website also recommends a 1 metre separation.
Here is ‘the list’ of what is being deemed acceptable as issued to the police today:
Buying several days’ worth of food, including luxury items and alcohol.
Collecting surplus basic food items from a friend.
Going for a run or cycle or practicing yoga.
Walking in the countryside or in cities.
Attending an allotment.
Driving to countryside and walking (where far more time is spent walking than driving).
Stopping to rest or to eat lunch while on a long walk.
Buying tools and supplies to repair a fence panel damaged in recent bad weather.
Taking an animal for treatment.
Moving to a friend’s address for several days to allow a ‘cooling-off’ following arguments at home.
And some examples of what isn’t ok:
Buying paint and brushes, simply to redecorate a kitchen.
Driving for a prolonged period with only brief exercise.
A short walk to a park bench, when the person remains seated for a much longer period.
A person who can work from home choosing to work in a local park.
A person knocking on doors offering to do cash in-hand work.
Visiting a vet’s surgery in person to renew a prescription (where this could be done over the phone).
Visiting a friend in their address or meeting in public to socialise.
I’ve only skim read it but it seems to be encouraging a pragmatic approach so I would hope most cops would. (In England obviously, we already have common sense up here 😉).
Personally I’d have no issue with the kayaking and I think most of my colleagues would be the same. That said, we’re lucky enough to live and work in an area of very low population density, so maybe we see it a bit differently? The only enforcement I’m aware of in our area are people driving up from the south for a day out because they’re bored, who’ve been given tickets and been sent homeward, tae think again. I can’t say what would happen elsewhere but for me the important thing is whether or not what people are doing risks spreading the virus or not, because that’s the overriding issue.
Thanks!
You mean it’s acceptable if you’re in a manonagoat relationship ?
I'm not fussy. I think as long as you stay within the spirit of the advice and keep it off social media it's all good 🙂
Stopping to rest or to eat lunch while on a long walk.
Maybe now they’ll stop the stupid practice of taping off benches to stop people sitting on them! Plenty of people who need to get out for some fresh air, exercise and sunshine, and just clear their heads a bit, are also likely to have some health issues that are likely to see them wanting to sit down for a bit; I know I do, my shonky knee demands it quite often. Trouble is, around here the only park with benches is fenced and locked up, so there’s virtually nowhere to sit to rest for a few minutes, even if I wanted to!
When I do drive out of town for a walk, the walk is always a lot longer than the drive, otherwise there’s no point.
Does this mean a Bob Graham Round is on? I can drive to Moots Hall in Keswick and back inside six hours after all.
Does this mean a Bob Graham Round is on? I can drive to Moots Hall in Keswick and back inside six hours after all.
Thats how I interpret it 🙂
Plenty of people who need to get out for some fresh air, exercise and sunshine, and just clear their heads a bit, are also likely to have some health issues that are likely to see them wanting to sit down for a bit; I know I do, my shonky knee demands it quite often.
Thank you so much. It's my decision whether or not to tape up 4 local benches. I had reluctantly decided we should - mainly to send a signal that people are supposed to be exercising, not sitting about. Your post has saved me making a very dumb mistake.
https://twitter.com/d_rafi1/status/1250864574984867856
don't see many tickets being handed out here....
on many many levels.
Here is ‘the list’ of what is being deemed acceptable as issued to the police today:Buying tools and supplies to repair a fence panel damaged in recent bad weather.
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And some examples of what isn’t ok:
Buying paint and brushes, simply to redecorate a kitchen.
My hardware store does contactless delivery. Phone and order your stuff and they'll put it outside for you or deliver it.
Struggling to see how the first is fine but the second is not bearing in mind it's exactly the same process....
Buying paint and brushes, simply to redecorate a kitchen.
I don't get that either. People are home, if they can do something useful, that generates some economic activity and is little or no risk to their health, they should be encouraged.
Buying paint and brushes, simply to redecorate a kitchen.
just buy a small bag of screws as well, say you need to fix and paint a fence.
People are home...
They aren't though are they, they are going out to buy paint brushes.
They aren’t though are they, they are going out to buy paint brushes.
Apart from supermarkets, most places like hardware stores are now delivery only, no customers in the shop. Phone or email orders only.
Personally don't have an issue with purchasing DIY stuff. I had something urgent needed repairing BH Monday, bought on line from Screwfix, paid electronically, collected from my nearest branch, they had good social distancing measures in place, never got close to anyone unlike Thursday's clap for the NHS which seems to now have loads of people in the street mingling and letting off fireworks, or is it ok to flout the rules when you're virtue signalling en masse?
Maybe now they’ll stop the stupid practice of taping off benches to stop people sitting on them!
I did think that this was edging towards the "Capt Mainwaring" end of Covid-19 lock down regulations...
I was chatting with an acquaintance today who just happens to be a copper and he said they've been told to use their better judgement and assess each incident individually. As such, he would consider that driving for an hour, no matter how long the ride is, is taking the piss and well outside the intent of the regulations. He also said that the document linked above hasn't been disseminated to officers yet, although his partner, who is non-police personnel is aware of it.
I've just been copied an email from Police Scotland Comms stating a few things about the NPCC guidance that has been doing the social media rounds due to the confusion it has caused. It was actually guidance for the CPS. It only applied to England and the NPCC are putting out some clarifications on it.
They're also pointing out to media that the advice issued by both Police Scotland and the Scottish Government has been really clear - people should not drive somewhere for exercise/dog walking etc.
They’re also pointing out to media that the advice issued by both Police Scotland and the Scottish Government has been really clear – people should not drive somewhere for exercise/dog walking etc.
People keep saying the advice is really clear, when really clearly it isn't.
Can I drive somewhere for exercise or to walk my dog?
Government guidance states that you can go outside for daily exercise. However, the Scottish Government advises that you should stay local, use open spaces near to your home where possible and avoid unnecessary travel.
Why not just say "no you can't" If that is the intention rather than waffle on about "staying local" and "where possible"?
Why not just say “no you can’t” If that is the intention rather than waffle on about “staying local” and “where possible”?
I presume to handle the handful of edge cases where someone *really* needs to drive somewhere to exercise. (eg someone with a handicap that needs to exercise outside on grass and can't do so from their home. I'm making that up but you get the idea. There will be edge cases.)
Right after 3 weeks cooped up I'm thinking of leaving west london at first light tomorrow morning, driving 30 mins towards the Chilterns and doing 90 mins without stopping off road on my bike on my own!. It's a route I've done many times, very tame and I would be home by 10.30 am. When I've done this route previously in normal times I have met one or two people max unlike walking round my local park which is mobbed at the moment. Also now I don't have to paint my bloody kitchen!
el vino - why not ride around relatively empty streets in west london as that would be more in keeping with the *spirit* of the regs whereas your proposal wouldn't.
Right after 3 weeks cooped up I’m thinking of leaving west london at first light tomorrow morning, driving 30 mins towards the Chilterns and doing 90 mins without stopping off road on my bike on my own!. It’s a route I’ve done many times, very tame and I would be home by 10.30 am. When I’ve done this route previously in normal times I have met one or two people max unlike walking round my local park which is mobbed at the moment. Also now I don’t have to paint my bloody kitchen!
Personally, I (now) think that's morally and legally ok.
How about getting up 30 mins before first light and getting there at first light. Even less chance of meeting someone.
How about getting up 30 mins before first light and getting there at first light. Even less chance of meeting someone.
Pretty good call to be honest, 5 am alarm 5.30 departure it is
Apart from supermarkets, most places like hardware stores are now delivery only, no customers in the shop. Phone or email orders only
And the ones I’ve seen in London are doing a really good job of distancing. Pre order by phone, collect from the door. Socially distanced queue.
Driving to exercise is in there for the many folk who have to drive to reach a decent 'green space'. Driving for a couple of hours to a National Park or whatever, when you've passed closer alternatives is less reasonable. Farmers up here are busy lambing at the moment and seeing cars arrive and folk going walking through their gates and using local services/shops clearly increases the risk to them. Who fills in and does th lambing once you're ill?
The DIY thing is also clear - it's acceptable to buy stuff for repairs, but not for re-decorating. The guidance is there to reduce transmission, so the fewer the number of unnecessary trips, the better."It's not fair" doesn't come into it. Everyone knows if what they are doing involves a risk and whether it's reasonable. There'll be plenty being 'holier than thou' about this, who'll go back to drinking themselves into A&E on a Friday, and/or driving like ****ts.
Oh dear ☹️
That's not good; apart from the attitude he's definitely not social distancing.
Oh dear ☹️
You have my sympathies.
Appreciated 👍🏼
Yes there must be plenty of his colleagues pulling their hair out at the damage to their reputation that this one incident causes.
That’s not good; apart from the attitude he’s definitely not social distancing
I suspect theres a bit more to that story that the upstanding citizens have decided to cut out. 🤔
I suspect theres a bit more to that story that the upstanding citizens have decided to cut out
I expect so and tbf he said a lot but didnt do much. Everyone loses there rag sometimes.
*sigh* Roads packed again in Harrogate today. Mainly packed cars furious that a cyclist taking exercise is holding them up from their drive to take exercise.
Why not just STAY THE **** AT HOME like we have been told and stop the spread of this shitty disease!
Why not read the advice given out by many government agencies, which includes being able to leave the house?
being able to leave the house?
No one has ever said you can’t leave your house.
Stay at home.
Shop infrequently.
Exercise locally.
Stay at home.
Shop infrequently.
Exercise locally.
Define "infrequently"? Before lockdown I used to shop almost daily. So if I shop 3 times a week is that infrequent?
Define "locally"? Is 10 mile away from home local? Is 5 miles local? What if you travel 5 miles in a car to go somewhere that's basically empty, surely that's better that doing a circuit around your house where you encounter lots of people?
