The government IMO needs to define clearly what it expects of the population in terms of essential/non-essential movement
I don’t see the point as someone always comes along and start pushing at the boundaries on how unfair it all is and anyway you’ve used a comma in the wrong place.
Three types of people generally, those with intelligence and common sense, those with no intelligence and no common sense and those with intelligence and no common sense.
The first group recognise the challenge and consider impact on others, second don’t care and finally the last group. It nearly always the last group who are the biggest problem.
Today, on my boris-walk(tm) to the supermarket to get Jack Daniels (£16/bottle @ tesco the now) I nearly tripped over some junkie lass lying in the street as I was pontificating about my selfish public service of renovating my flat stairwell today after taking a 1 hour walk from my door and that I had noticed a-resident going outside more than once! And also not offering to help with cleaning up the cess-pit that is our stairwell. I thought about shopping the ugly wee Irish dwarf to the rozzers, but realised they were busy sweeping out the passed out junkie blocking the pavement and making the 2m rule rather difficult to adhere to.
I cast my mind back to the previous evening when I saw my cats staring at something outside and popped out to the roof terrace to see what it was (a different junkie getting chucked in the cop van - he had been using the back alley for his thrice-daily rage-screams all week and it was getting rather wearing, so I was glad the long arm of the law was clamping down on this kind of malarkey).
And I figured that we can all make our mind up about if we want to go for a wee drive to go for a walk or ride as the cops seem busy with all the other stuff going on. I've thought about jumping in the Saab 9-5 and driving down to Peebles, parking up at the foot of Janet's Brae and going to CRUSH some empty, dry trails, but so far, I have not and just gone for walks around the park. Might do it in a couple of weeks though - once I get bored.
Suck it, dweebs.
Indeed @tonyf1
My best mates brother, who’s an absolute cock, is well and truly in the latter category.
I love Neils way of describing him
“He could calculate how many beans are in a tin, but he couldn’t tell you how to open the ****er!”
Stay in, not exercising for a couple of weeks wont kill you,
firstly, it’s not a couple of weeks. The initial lockdown was for three weeks, which is 21 days, which just happens to be the number of times people say to do something to be habit forming. So a habit of not exercising might just be an issue, even with only the current restriction, but it’s likely to last longer and i think you are underestimating the challenge in getting back off the sofa after three months of doing **** all. I bet it’s possible to model the long term health implications on removing essentially all exercise from people for months, and it probably lasts for years.
And that is only the physical aspects - mental health suffers too from being trapped indoors - and since we are always told excerise is good for MH I suspect you can calculate back to a number of MH related deaths if none of us leave the house.
Add in Vit D exposure from sunlight, and probably other stuff like domestic abuse between people trapped together and you can see that being able to get out might actually have measurable benefits that outweigh the risks.
there aren’t many people who would really suffer from taking it easy for a few weeks.
perhaps forced encampment might actually help some otherwise sedentary folk get out and moving though? A new health benefit rather than just a status quo?
Ironically many of the people now exercising their right to daily exercise probably weren’t before the lock down.
They may not have been consciously exercising but the downside of working from home is those people are sitting around a lot more. Certainly I’ve gone for more intentional exercise in the last two weeks than the last two months, but I’ve actually done a lot less - because I don’t walk to station/office/station/home, to the shop to get lunch, to the shop to get whatever random ingredient I want for dinner, to pick up my daughter from dancing etc etc. My Garmin tells me that despite going out every second day to intentionally walk or run I’m doing 1/2 the number of steps I was before - yet I’m sitting closer to the kitchen snacking more.
Indeed. While a lot of people are clearly underestimating the risks of the virus I would say there at least as many people underestimating the mental health risks.
'It's just a few weeks, how hard can it be?' is something I hear a lot. Firstly, it's not going to be just a few weeks. Secondly, the implication is that everyone is starting from a happy well adjusted place. I can assure you everyone is not. Many people were on the edge of snapping before any of this started.
I mentioned on another thread (or maybe it was this thread, they all seem to be running together now) the dangers of the McNamara Fallacy in situations like this. We are working with incomplete data and many behavioral factors are almost impossible to measure.
When you can't measure what's important, make what you can measure important. The long term implications are difficult to measure (although there are already some extremely worrying numbers about domestic abuse that are coming out of other countries) so the tendency is to ignore it and instead focus on reducing car journeys because it's what we can measure.
Not saying that we shouldn't be reducing the amount people are travelling, just that the issues that are really causing problems, both in terms of stemming the spread of the virus and long term health, are being overlooked.
Aside from that, the habit of two polish guys congregating next to our house and getting pissed in the alley has continued, with them being witnessed spitting into our garden yesterday.
I’m going to shout a warning from a distance today, but after that, Police or overreaction? It’s unnecessary outdoors, and the spitting is of course a transmittable mechanism.
K57 call the police non emergency, they have been moving drinkers in the park opposite us along. Mention they are spitting on to your property as well, may not be dealt with immediately but far better than you getting involved (for all parties)
Oooh, my chance to do the faux outrage bit before anyone else.....
What relevance is it to the story that they are polish? Are you a bit brexity on the quiet?
What relevance
None, stop your (faux) Daily mail victim based entitlement that drives you to believe someone mentioning a nationality forces you to a racist political assumption.
Drunken shoeshines wandering the streets. Society is truly broken.
K57, for avoidance of doubt I'm taking the piss
next - accusations of the Edinburgh defence.
Besides, polish isn't a race.
Sorry Kryters but calling out their nationality was the first thing to strike me about your wee tale too. I've obviously been hanging around here too long 😂
I’m going to shout a warning from a distance today, but after that, Police or overreaction?
You’re going to have to escalate it to a “no pudding” scenario after that
Christ, it’s just a descriptor, as would white, male (guys), middle aged, tall, thin, fat, shaven head, glasses....
That’s the problem with everyone’s entitlement to form an opinion, you either are offended by the fact I used it, or offended on someone else’s behalf. Yet I’d didn’t use it in a negative context.
Am I by default sexist because I mentioned thier gender as well? Just so I know where I stand...
not necessarily sexist, but by assuming gender did you take into account they may not specifically identify with cis-genders?
(also, for avoidance of doubt, tongue in cheek ^)
You also misspelled their, for double whammy pedantry points. (christ, this is going way better / worse than I expected)
I've heard that Google Translator is ideal for practicing your Polish swear words.
Kryton now wanders off to get drunk with the lads in the alleyway.
lads is a bit presumptive......
Kilo joins them, opens can of Zywiec, imbibes heavily.
At this hour? Jesus! *Pondo is impressed*
Nostrovia!
On a complete thread derailment, I went to Warsaw for work many years ago and at one meeting with the head of the Warsaw drugs squad , three of us did a whole bottle of Zubrowska vodka before 11.00 am. This was on top of a hangover of epic proportions (puked whilst on a serious Guinness session the night before) and then off for lunch and beers. They said I’d make a good Pole with my then capacity for alcohol. Savage place!
Couple of teachers here got fined $100 each for carpooling to work. Seems ridiculous to me.
can of Zywiec
Outrage*, Ocado have swapped Moretti for.... Sol. Bllurgh.
*Tongue in cheek, huge 1st world issue I know, a little humour helps.
Couple of teachers here got fined $100 each for carpooling to work. Seems ridiculous to me.
I car share and every single bug or cold the other gets ends up shared. Based on that sample of one I think car sharing is 100pc effective in spreading disease.
Seems ridiculous to me.
Without going in for a snog, I can think of few ways more counterproductive as regards social distancing efforts.
Without going in for a snog, I can think of few ways more counterproductive as regards social distancing efforts.
Very much this. 🤦
Seems like the weather forecast is set fair for much of the country this weekend. 😮
I think many constabularies have reporting forms on their websites - only making that assumption as Avon & Somerset do. So you guys can get nice and busy. There’s always 101 if you have no form to submit.
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Heard on the grapevine that Derbyshire Police armed drone unit is locked, loaded and ready to go for the weekend. Some of you snowflakes on here need to get a grip, without positive action like this, my favourite Peak District trails will be blocked by picnicking viral victims. Just saying like, in an entirely unselfish way...
Last week's successful operation on the approach to the Snake #picniconthis #cutcongestion #stayhomeorelse
https://twitter.com/DerbyshireRPU/status/1244945610031214602
That armed drone test doesn't seem heavy handed to me at all. In fact, I'm wondering what the Army are doing with their Apache gunships this weekend.
Go big or stay home.
the habit of two polish guys
I read that as posh guys.
Therefore I can't be doing racisms today. Go me!
Go big or stay home.
Stay home or go bang
Heard on the grapevine that Derbyshire Police armed drone unit is locked, loaded and ready to go for the weekend.
Thank the lord its locked. Wouldn’t want some scally nicking it.
and I very much doubt that the police would fancy compulsory enforcement either.
What like these chaps who managed to prosecute with the wrong legislation, waste court time and public money.
Probably tried for being black in a public place too.
(I realise that this is a subset of the police services in the country but it's the same mindset as displayed by Derbyshire's Chief Constable. To quote David Alan Green "idiots").
Likely to be reasonable:
going for a run
or cycle or practicing yoga.
Walking in the countryside
or in cities. Attending an
allotment.
Driving to countryside and
walking (where far more
time is spent walking than
driving).
Exercising more than once
per day
Oh no...
Off of Lakes I go then.
Oh no…
I know.
****ing yoga!
Aside from that, the habit of two polish guys congregating
Also, and I know this is a bit late, but I'm not sure two people can 'congregate'. I think technically the implication is of people grouping together to form a crowd or similar mass. I guess if the two polish (sic. surely should be capitalised) guys were extraordinarily large, you might argue that they were forming a crowd, but I think it's more likely that they were simply 'meeting' and your case would be thrown out of court on a technicality.
I know.
**** yoga!
I shall be driving to the Highlands for some high mountain goat yoga shortly. I expect that explaining the goat bit to the local constabulary may be problematic, but I'll take my chances.
I shall be driving to the Highlands for some high mountain goat yoga shortly. I expect that explaining the goat bit to the local constabulary may be problematic, but I’ll take my chances.
PM me with your plans first and I’ll get an incident logged so the lads leave you and your goat in peace.
@thegreatape do rozzers read that guidance? If I go family Kayaking [1] with my young kids will they know from that document it's kosher?
I'm also a bit worried about publish shaming by people who think it's not Kosher.
[1] 5 minute drive, 2 hours exercise, more intense than an allotment visit.
Oh no…
That was my thoughts as well.
Just as an example Peak District National Park Authority stats have it as around 20million people living within an hour's drive.
Attending an allotment.
Can you attend an allotment, tending yes attending? Unless it's like turning up to the opening of an envelope.
