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As all these pictures are emerging of people filling up containers with flammable liquid to store god-knows-where, are we taking bets on when the first raging explosion will occur as some idiot sparks up a Lambert & Butler in their garage?
are we taking bets on when the first raging explosion will occur as some idiot sparks up a Lambert & Butler in their garage?
If only...
Not bothering to to check Google Maps Mrs K popped out for the 5 mile round trip to drop the kids off to their various activities this morning at 10am. Its 11am, she stick crawling back.
She said its so bad they are sitting in the cycles lanes queuing for miles along the roads in order to leave a central path through the roads which itself is rammed with slowly moving traffic.
Good ****ing grief.
I scored an empty minor victory by saying no and going on to point out that it uses diesel
yes but you were right, and that's the important thing. In these tough times we have to take our positives where we can find them.
So basically you want a lifestyle off the back of paying Eastern Europeans peanuts and having them work under hellish conditions for months on end?
It didn't have to be a choice between exploiting foreigners or sudden chaos though. The issue is not that we kicked out Eastern European drivers, but that we did it without the first idea of what we'd do once they left. A competent government would have planned it out, over perhaps 5 years, to ensure a smooth transition. Sadly, we do not have a competent government.
Which is actually why many people voted remain. My FIL - a Tory eurosceptic, as much of a leaver as you could meet - was keen to vote leave. But he looked at the leaders of the day - Cameron, Osborne et al, decided he had no faith in them to do a good job of Brexit, and reluctantly voted remain. He was wrong about a lot of things IMO, but he's being proved right on that one.
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Or, of course, we could pay and treat drivers, and all workers, properly irrespective of how “local” they are. I’m aware I’m out of step with most of England with that crazy notion.
Anyway, local forecourts all closed. Car won’t get touched ‘till Wednesday now (we’ve changed plans to allow for this). Hopefully the immediate craziness will be over by Tuesday evening. Fingers crossed.
How about using a toilet that has piss all round the seat,
Youve met my kids then 😁
as some idiot sparks up a Lambert & Butler in their garage?
Garage? They wont have any space in there due to the toilet rolls and additional fridge freezers they pick up last time they panicked.
May I just say, as someone looking in from the outside, hahaha.
What a ****ing shambles the UK is.
It would be even funnier if it wasn't for the fact that so many people never voted for any of this.
Please, people.... At the next election vote those narcissistic bastards out.
Cant fully blame brexit as much as I'd like.
Its years of miss management, big firms squashing wages for profits.
The EU drives have just been a sticking plaster.
Though hands up who wants to pay more in shops....
Just wait for the red diesel duty change to drive prices up in the shops as well.
Next year inflation will be very high....
The really good news is that thanks to Covid way more people now own servicable bicycles.
The timing is great too, so that while we enter the winter months enduring this imaginary fuel crisis, they'll hopefully be out using their bikes and discover that you don't actually need to lob it in the shed to rust in August, you can use them pretty much year round for short journeys in the UK...
Honestly I'd really quite like to see the boot put into British "car culture" perhaps this is an unintended upside to Brexit? If the financial cost of ICE driving starts to truly reflect the other damages it does, and leccy motoring remains ever so slightly too expensive up front for normal people to buy into, could it actually stimulate the uptake of more environmentally responsible transport/working options?
I'm certainly blaming all this on Brexit just so that shit sticks.
Yeah once the red diesel stops being used for construction and farming there will be a big loss in revenue. Guess where that will be made up? At the pumps for the normal consumers.
The wages and condition for drivers have been shocking for years and this is the result. Although I do agree with Cookea as there is a massive dependency on vehicle usage in this country. People in my street take their cars to the shop at the bottom of the hill.. it’s less than 400m away.. 🤯.
I’m marvelling at the sight of the anti-brexit brigade wailing because the inability to pay uk and foreign workers a pittance is inconveniencing their lifestyle. You get what you bloody pay for, and in this case it’s not enough truck drivers to keep the shops and petrol stations stocked. If you think the solution is importing cheap labour then you’re deluded.
This is globalised neo-liberal economics coming home to roost. It’ll happen everywhere eventually, but we in the uk seem to have volunteered to be the guinea pigs for this brave new world.
Who says chivalry is dead?
WOKE innit 😉
I’m marvelling at the sight of the anti-brexit brigade wailing because the inability to pay uk and foreign workers a pittance is inconveniencing their lifestyle.
That's not exactly it...
are we taking bets on when the first raging explosion will occur as some idiot sparks up a Lambert & Butler in their garage?
At least it will be roast gammon for tea.
I’m marvelling at the sight of the anti-brexit brigade wailing because the inability to pay uk and foreign workers a pittance is inconveniencing their lifestyle
According to johnson ‘…we’re transitioning into a high skill, high wage economy’.
I heard that, Er what does it actually mean 🙂
How about using a toilet that has piss all round the seat
TBH sounds like my nightclubbing years.
I think the issue is that no-ones been arsed to do toilets that can take the abuse but be spanky clean for the next user. It all relys on people being considerate for the next user.
It all relys on people being considerate for the next user.
Exactly that . If a truckers shower / toilet is covered in shit and piss, its because a fellow trucker has shit and pissed on it.
(Assuming the general shitting and pissing public dont have access to said facilities of course)
According to johnson ‘…we’re transitioning into a high skill, high wage economy’.
It means we don't test drivers for their ability to reverse anymore, and pay them more for their services.
If you think the solution is importing cheap labour then you’re deluded.
The solution is to pay workers properly full stop. If you want more of the drivers here to be “local”, then fund their training… improve the facilities they use… don’t push them into insanely long hours… don’t deskill them by reducing the testing of their competency… we can do all this without telling EU drivers to go away. They’re not coming back anyway, they’ve got the message, they’ll be earning more, with better conditions, with better facilities, with more rights and support, in comparable EU countries instead. They aren’t coming here in any numbers this winter just because we wave a short time low rights visa at them.
Exactly that . If a truckers shower / toilet is covered in shit and piss, its because a fellow trucker has shit and pissed on it.
I don't think it's that simple. There's all kinds of variables but it mostly comes down to broken window theory. The person who walks in to a battered old, dirty toilet block and discovers a toilet covered in shit and piss, isn't likely to go out of their way to leave it presentable themselves.
It's that whole thing, if you go to a country and find it remarkable how clean it is, it's not because the people are inherently cleaner, it's because there is a lot of effort from authorities to make it so, which in turn makes people more inclined to preserve that.
It's not just a trucker problem, it's an infrastructure problem.
The solution is to pay workers properly full stop.
Almost everything I hear is around the working conditions rather than the pay. I have friends who are drivers and they're quite happy with the wages but less so with the job.
I work in IT and our company puts just as much emphasis on a positive working culture than it does wages, because they know how important that is for attracting the right people.
Sounds to me that truck drivers are being undervalued and wages are only a tiny part of that.
Agreed. As I said in the rest of my posts. Why do we have worse conditions and facilities for drivers in the UK than in comparable EU countries where these “not local” drivers can and do still work?
So the number of temporary visas has been capped at 5,000 with a (probable) time limit of 3 months.
I would be surprised if the take-up exceeds 1,000.
What a mess - of the UK's own making; aren't we clever.
johnson wouldn't answer a US journo when asked if he could live on UC; he would also decline to answer if asked whether he would work in a job which might force him to piss into a bottle, shit into a plastic bag, sleep in a truck, eat a cholesterol inducing diet, work massively unsociable hours, spend much time away from his family whom he undoubtedly loves (doesn't he?) - and all for no more than £50k pa.
He and his government are a shower of shit - and that's putting it mildly.
A good read:
Interesting how the “they need us more than we need them” (ie we buy far more food and energy from them than they do from us, which is not the same thing at all as anyone honest knew and said at the time) means that drivers often have to return empty. Add in the new hassles of crossing the borders, and making up for driver shortages using drivers based outside the UK now makes little sense for those operating those lorries. So it’s not just a lack of UK based drivers that are the problem, it is all the barriers to working across borders, and the fact we do really need the EU for our supplies more than they need us for ours, that leaves us in a pit of our own making.
Add in that we have a government totally and unwilling to act in a timely and planned manner to mitigate the mess they have made, and, well… Boris Johnson Broke Britain. Don’t listen to him when at the next election he inevitably claims he and his team of campaigners who can’t govern are the people to fix the mess they led us into.
What a mess – of the UK’s own making; aren’t we clever.
You’re just not believing enough.
Is it wrong to feel smug when cycling past motorists queueing to get into petrol stations?
it was never about anti immigration…just controlled immigration – a concept the remain side never actually grasped and still haven’t. And the Eu is part of the problem
Bullshit.
Are we really still having this argument five years on? It was always about immigration, that was the primary driver for brexit. We already had controlled immigration, we simply chose not to exercise that control and then lied to the population about it. Our domestic policy was **** all to do with the EU.
I’m marvelling at the sight of the anti-brexit brigade wailing because
And you can bugger off an' all. You've spent those self same five years bleating on here protesting (against self-evident signs to the contrary) that you were anti-brexit yourself. Don't come the raw prawn now.
Sorry Drac, I'll try to become a believer - promise.
So the number of temporary visas has been capped at 5,000 with a (probable) time limit of 3 months.
I would be surprised if the take-up exceeds 1,000.
Dunno I’d expect them to be very lucrative if they’re going for EU drivers but course you could go further afield and take advantage of lower wage economies.
Weren’t they saying they were 100k drivers short.
You’ve spent those self same five years bleating on here protesting (against self-evident signs to the contrary) that you were anti-brexit yourself.
Still very much anti-brexit. Not as much as I’m anti low pay though.
Is it wrong to feel smug when cycling past motorists queueing to get into petrol stations?
Not at all. I do it all the time - going past queues of cars, seeing the hordes on the bypass as i cross it on a bike ride. sometimes I even wave at them
Still very much anti-brexit. Not as much as I’m anti low pay though.
Whilst there's an opportunity, or perhaps an urgent need, to reform an entire industry, it stands to reason that the knock on effect and potential inflation could actually make things worse for the lowest paid.
Who knows, maybe it'll drive some positive change for our economic infrastructure, but migrant workers were never the problem.
FWIW I popped into the local petrol station just after lunch to buy the newspaper, just me and one other car there. No shortages in Madrid 👍
If you want to eat soup, you shouldn't spit in the pot.
Take all the emotion out of it. What does Brexit do?
It makes us more difficult to deal with. That means cost, supply problems and reduced choice. This was all explained before the Brexit vote, but enough people chose to be duped.
The whole thing is going to unravel. It is just a question of how much people are willing to take. A gallic shrug is all I can muster.
I’m marvelling at the sight of the anti-brexit brigade wailing because the inability to pay uk and foreign workers a pittance is inconveniencing their lifestyle.
There's something much more marvellous.
It's the sight of the pro-brexit brigade wailing because the inability to pay uk and foreign workers a pittance is inconveniencing their lifestyle.
🙂
So the number of temporary visas has been capped at 5,000 with a (probable) time limit of 3 months.
I would be surprised if the take-up exceeds 1,000.Dunno I’d expect them to be very lucrative if they’re going for EU drivers but course you could go further afield and take advantage of lower wage economies.
Weren’t they saying they were 100k drivers short.
European Road Haulers Association (UETR) have said they doubt many european drivers will be interested; very short term 'opportunity', unwelcoming environment, 'facilities' which are a long way short of european standards, maybe a bit more money.
Go further afield - language barrier, lack of acceptable qualification, limited/no experience of driving in europe or UK, darker skinned drivers at risk of being on receiving end of racist abuse.
Yes, the shortfall was reported as 100k; why, then, offer an 'opportunity' to only 5k?
The proposed end date is 24th December; shagger johnson saves christmas - my arse.
This is a pathetic attempt to do the absolute minimum and present it as 'taking decisive action'.
Flim flam designed to appeal to the hard of thinking.
There is every sign that this excuse of a gov and johnson in particular are showing clear signs of falling apart; he's a fraud and an incompetent.
I can't wait for his end to come - in every respect.
He’s got away with murder for the last 2 years, but if the Range Rover Evoques in the Home Counties can’t be filled up soon, he’s going to be in trouble
Telling different lies to different people is easy nowadays - a bit of targeted Facebook work and the job's a good'un.
Making those incompatible lies into reality is still impossible, though.
And fatso is running out of time - the bullshit can't disguise the real world effects of his actions.
Basically, **** him.
johnson has *ed multiple women, he's *ed the tory party, he's *ed the country so he might as well go * himself.
The Times is reporting ESSAR Group is on the point of collapse they own a few fuel stations and some oil refineries, one where the fuel strike started all those years ago and caused a fuel crisis.
Strangely when i passed by essar Stanlow last week very few tankers leaving the place with branded and un branded fuel tankers, usually loads leave every few hours.
Well done to all the panic buyers. My daughter who is a community paediatric nurse has now got no fuel to do her job tomorrow. No diesel in any of the local stations.
Frustrating is not the word