Stand back everyone. They've got the intellectual big guns on the case.
He'll have it sorted in no time.....
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1442368904056086544?s=20
Oh come on, if John Redwood stopped tweeting about stuff he knows f all about, how would he fill his day?
Northwind
You’re scheming on a thing that’s a mirage
I’m trying to tell you now, it’s cabotage
I can't stand it, I know you planned it......
Bring back petrol coupons.
God knows what my neighbour will do. She may actually have to walk her children to school, just like the other parents in our rd who manage (and they work).
Really, really pissed off with some attitudes in this country atm.
Although I admit hubby and I did panic buy a months supply of Aldi fruit and nut chocolate in one fell swoop. If that runs out I'm a goner.
Although I admit hubby and I did panic buy a months supply of Aldi fruit and nut chocolate in one fell swoop.
You monster! Won't somebody think of the diabetics!
Really, really pissed off with some attitudes in this country atm.
Well if it makes you feel better, every time there is hysteria, our local FB group is full of people denouncing it and trying to be reasonable. You just don't see them cos they're at home or cycling to work and the like.
I wonder what the correlation between reading the Daily Mail and filling up your tank fully these last few days is?
There's basically 2 sorts of people... The ones that look at the pizza and think, maybe there's not enough for everyone to have 2 pieces, I'll take 1. And the ones that look at the pizza and think maybe there's not enough for everyone to have 2 pieces, I'll take 3.
I just squandered the last of my petrol to go buy some beer, oh well.
At work we've already lost a van for the day due to a lack of diesel. Another doesn't have enough for a job tomorrow.
For a small company with 4 vans that's a big loss.
I wonder what the correlation between reading the Daily Mail and filling up your tank fully these last few days is?
There’s probably a high proportion of them regularly quote ‘surviving the blitz’ and other such spurious cobblers.
I just squandered the last of my petrol to go buy some beer
That doesn’t sound squandered to me
There's something like 40 million vehicles in the UK.
As of Q1 2821 there was around 5 million tonnes of oil product stocks in the UK.
Say 10million people decide to brim up an extra 10l this week, that's about 75,000te. I.e. **** all of a fart in terms of the volumes of petrol that are used, made and traded in the UK.
It is however several thousand road tanker loads. Average consumption in 2020 was circa 27,000te/d so you can see that several million motorists all being dicks could break the distribution of fuel completely.
Source for oil stocks
Source for petrol usage
https://www.racfoundation.org/data/volume-petrol-diesel-consumed-uk-over-time-by-year
I am seriously incredulous that an MP and chief global stratagist for Charles Stanley can come out with a tweet so non-sensical. I can only think he is trolling?
I can only think he is trolling?
I can only think that, like most of the MPs in the House of Commons, he's a monumental ****.
Drove home past a Tesco's garage this evening. Massive queue down half the road. Police in attendance. Everyone just sitting there, line of about 40 cars.
I am seriously incredulous that an MP and chief global stratagist for Charles Stanley can come out with a tweet so non-sensical. I can only think he is trolling?
It's a test balloon for the governments new solution to all the upcoming employment crises. Remember that Navy advert, 'If you can fix a bike, you can fix a car...'
Soon it'll be, 'If you can pull a skelf out of your finger, you can pull a skelf out of someone else's finger. If you can pull a skelf out of someone else's finger, you can pull an appendix out of someone else's abdomen.'
I was on holiday when all this kicked off. Company car was sat on the drive almost empty during that time. It's still almost empty. If I get a call for a local power cut, I wonder if the hoarders might donate me some fuel so I can get their lights back on.
Redwood is a twunt. Always has been, always will be. That fixed look in his eyes is not an evil genius at work, it is the look of someone who is actually monumentally thick.
Hasn't held him back though.
Popped to Asda for a few groceries tonight - thought I’d grab some fuel on the way out as the car is nearly at the running on fumes stage. Each petrol station I’ve passed in the last week has either had people queuing out of it or been out of fuel. I can’t believe these people are normally driving round with brimmed full tanks.
No chance getting fuel at Asda - queuing 10 cars deep at each set of pumps and I’ll be dammed if I’m waiting in that. Will cycle to work on Wednesday and work from home the rest of the week. Guess I won’t go driving anywhere for mtb until it’s calmed down and people have stopped hoarding more fuel than they normally do 🤷♂️
IHNRAT but why did they not just do what anyone else trying to manage excess demand / limited supply does? Stick the price up to say £3-5/L would have made only those who really* needed it buy fuel, preserving supplies… especially if there was a comitment to reduce prices in 2 weeks time!
*or at least believe they do.
IHNRAT but why did they not just do what anyone else trying to manage excess demand / limited supply does? Stick the price up to say £3-5/L would have made only those who really* needed it buy fuel, preserving supplies… especially if there was a comitment to reduce prices in 2 weeks time
Because those who really need it either wouldn't be able to pay that or wouldn't be authorised to spend that.
Very few people who have to drive anywhere are that rich. Plenty that want to are though.
but keep standard pricing / discount it for key workers, emergency services, etc. who really need it.
but keep standard pricing / discount it for key workers, emergency services, etc. who really need it.
Who would decide? I have a letter to say I'm a key worker from lockdown, would that be enough? Would it be all commercials? Would it be someone who needed to go shopping for an elderly relative? It's just not that simple.
@wurst.experience
Bin dun and discussed.
Much of it is valid but blaming the media is a little rich in my opinion. There are not obvious culprits/reasons.
To the microcephalous idiots filling jerry cans and other containers with petrol/derv - do you want a match with that?
Car had flashing light of petrol based doom so had to sneak out under cover of darkness to get fuel. Feel like a terrible person. So same as usual only now with enough petrol to last til the middle of next month (3/4 of a tank).
MrsRNP's Volvo is out of fuel and just about made it home, was going to go out in my derv Golf with a Jerry can to get some fuel for her but don't won't to look like a hoarding **** so it can stay outside like an immobile street ornament till 'normality' returns
A Jerry can of derv would be a very handy get out of jail card for those of us who drive as a part of our job. I do between 80 and 400 miles a day.
On my Sunday ride I did follow a car with a Jerry can of fuel on the parcel shelf. Must have smelt lovely in the sun
Could be boom time for suppliers of auxiliary fuel tanks...
Is this the right time to be smug about not owning a car?
I think wurst.experience is the best “new user” name yet. I can’t imagine how this one will turn out, but the “don’t mention Brexit” and cut and pasting of facts found on Facebook approach does suggest a certain course.
Oh, I posted a very good link the other day explaining the loss of cabotage due to Brexit, and how it is helping other countries deal with the driver shortages… but the bad take away is that trying to use it more again here now, even if the politics changed to allow it, simply will not work. Depressing, go back and find it and read it. All about what we buy from the EU, what we don’t sell to them, and taking back control of our borders.
Oh, who put this earworm in my head…?
This is a FB post from a friend who works in the industry.
Save your copypasta for FB thanks
Personally I blame the government - as soon as they said 'no need to panic-buy' what did they think was going to happen?
Is this the right time to be smug about not owning a car?
Very easy to say when you live in a major city with excellent public transportation
@jamesoz, I'll admit my suggestion isn't honed to the absolute detail. There would have to be some judgement of what essential means. But I'll bet as plans go it's a shit load better than asking people not to buy petrol because there isn't going to be a shortage while watching the "sold out" signs go up. Which has worked so well at keeping key workers cars fueled.
Why must perfect be the enemy of good?
wurst.experience joined on 27 sept and post of same date, attempting to be...provocative, has been rightly called out as a complete bag of bollocks.
What a dick.
Very easy to say when you live in a major city with excellent public transportation
You forgot affordable on top of that.
wurst.experience joined on 27 sept and post of same date, attempting to be…provocative, has been rightly called out as a complete bag of bollocks.
What a dick.
Is it though?
I agree that the MO seems like just another troll and I also have seen that particular stream of text on several facebook posts. But if you unpick the facts, how wide of the mark is it.
Petrol stations are reporting selling a week's worth of fuel in 36 hours. Of needing two deliveries a day to keep pace, instead of 3 a week as normal. We're not collectively driving 5x further than we were last week.
The reduction in lorry drivers due to Brexit etc., has been steadily happening, they didn't all just go home / retire last week. The lack means we can't respond to the shortage, it hasn't caused the shortage.
The run on bog roll was the same, there wasn't a collective outbreak of dysentry, we were shitting the same amount as we always were.
I'm not sure the media caused this as a deliberate tactic, but honestly if they had against the way the Vote Leavers used lies and misinformation in that campaign, and the underhand way this Gov conducts their business, frankly if it helped hasten the end of this clown circus I'll not use the car for a week happily.
But the media has worsened it with reporters stationed at petrol stations providing live updates on the queues and the sold out signs, and add to that the clown****s that we share this island with, and there you have it.
But as said, we live in an age where information is weaponised, we don't listen to experts of the voice of reason, and if the MSM had said 'there's a looming shortage' half the country is up in arms; 'there's no problem, don't panic buy' and the other half is, and if they say nothing the loonies are claiming it's a cover up!
Don’t believe all you read in the media guys. This is a FB post from a friend who works in the industry.
And it's pure bollocks, clearly last week the supply chain didn't have enough capacity. Last week places started running out, then people did the prudent thing when supply is limited they got it when they could. It's not panic buying its a perfectly rational response to something important being in limited supply.
No chance getting fuel at Asda – queuing 10 cars deep at each set of pumps and I’ll be dammed if I’m waiting in that. Will cycle to work on Wednesday and work from home the rest of the week. Guess I won’t go driving anywhere for mtb until it’s calmed down and people have stopped hoarding more fuel than they normally do
A typical STW post, aren't you lucky to be able to decide to work from home when your attempt to buy fuel failed, now just try to put yourself in the place of someone who can't do that as you look down your nose at those stuck in a massive line "panic" buying.
Is this the right time to be smug about not owning a car?
Is this the right time to be smug about not living in the UK?
Is this the right time to be smug about not living in the UK?
Yes, very much yes....
Very easy to say when you live in a major city with excellent public transportation
Exactly, when you live rurally you simply can't get to work without a car. There is one bus per day where I live (yes, one!) and it leaves at 11:00 which is a great time for anyone wanting to get to work isn't it.
I reckon there will be a market in a few years for brexit safaris; get a bus and go and look at the natives all stealing each others tins of beans and snarling and banging on the bus. probably need protection on the windows.
Is this the right time to be smug about not living in the UK?
My brother lives in a nice suburb of Sydney - it's not perfect but it's bloody closer than living here is.
Mine (and MrsRNP) only two regrets in life are not moving to Germany when I was offered (for me) my dream job and not joining my brother when I was young enough to be eligible.
And it’s pure bollocks, clearly last week the supply chain didn’t have enough capacity. Last week places started running out, then people did the prudent thing when supply is limited they got it when they could. It’s not panic buying its a perfectly rational response to something important being in limited supply.
Last week a few stations in the entire country ran out for reasons we don't even know yet. It could have been late deliveries (likely) or there could have been a number of other reasons such is the nature of the Just In Time supply chain. The reaction was neither prudent nor rational given all those folk have now emptied hundreds of forecourts.
A typical STW post, aren’t you lucky to be able to decide to work from home when your attempt to buy fuel failed, now just try to put yourself in the place of someone who can’t do that as you look down your nose at those stuck in a massive line “panic” buying.
Er, I think that may well have been their point. They don't need the fuel so why bother getting more? Seems a prudent and rational thing to do IMO. Also, all those important people you mentioned now can't get fuel because the thick ****s that can't walk the length of themselves and don't go anywhere except the shops were also in the stampede. It was explained very clearly how this works previously.
