[Closed] Pasties

I really can't be bothered and can't understand all the fuss

where can I get one of those delicious West Cornwall Pasty Company pasties that Call-me-Dave was talking about

Oops! He really needs to keep up, if he's going to continue his Man of the People shtick, doesn't he?

Perhaps he should think about some PR training 😀

[i]are they a bit pricier than Greggs[/i]

yes, although to be fair, and unlike greggs, they do appear to contain meat that wasn't mechanically recovered.

[i]yes, although to be fair, and unlike greggs, they do appear to contain meat [s]that wasn't mechanically recovered.[/s][/i]

FTFY

You want come and move down to Bumpkin Country Binners, there's a pasty outlet on every corner. In fact, I'm surprised I've not seen CallMeDave in Cirencester, as I know for a fact he would find shops selling a full tweed hunting outfit, a country mansion and a real pasty without walking more than twenty yards down the high street.

I walk past a greggs every morning. I'm a veggie...OMG one day I'll go in, lay on the counter and have them force feed me until I burst LOL

camoron is an idiot

MP/ PM in being a lying tosser shocker. Someone will be along in a minute to suggest this would all be sorted by buying an organic pie from a village bakery.

emsz - despite being a committed carnivore, I always opt for the cheese and onion pasty in Greggs. And a wonderful thing they are. Maybe nip in tomorrow eh? See how many you can manage 😀

Wouldn't know about price comparison but I remember having a West Country Pasty in Newquay about 10 years ago. Quite nice but I have always preferred mine cold when they are more unctuous and a Ginsters does me proud. This preference will now have a double benefit, not only are they more widely available than Greggs and the others, they will also continue to be VAT free.

EDIT: What is this obsession with Greggs, I have been into one once and did not feel a need to return.

binners, we could have a pastie-off! 😆

Funny line in yesterday's Grauniad reporting of the issue - that there was a fear of panic buying of pies before the new rules come into force.

TBH it seems a bit odd that takeaways like burgers and fish'n'chips are VATed but takeaway pies are not. What's the difference?

I'm sorry Emsz - You'd stand no chance lass 😉

*throws gauntlet down*

Forget Greggs their pasties are minging. If you want really nice ones get them ordered from [url= http://www.thechoughbakery.co.uk/ ]HERE[/url]. I get 2 dozen every time we leave Cornwall to come home and then re-order more about 5 months later.

One market is dominated by supermarket groups and companies who can afford PR, the other is too but McD are keeping their head below the parapet.

I have to say that I prefer mine cold, or tepid at the most. The hot ones I fear may burn a hole through my hull much like the blood of a recently removed face hugger alien did to the USCSS Nostromo.

PS. Thanks to Emsz, I now have the image of a young lady lying on the counter in Greggs and having pastry products stuffed into her face lodged in my mind.

PPS. Camoron is an idiot

Funny line in yesterday's Grauniad reporting of the issue - that there was a fear of panic buying of pies before the new rules come into force.

I now understand why Guardian readers are so po faced about life if this is what they regard as humour

[i]What's the difference? [/i]

It's about stuff beign cooked 'to order'.

If something is cooked in an oven and just happens not to have cooled down before you buy it then there's no vat.

If it's cooked to order or reheated at the point of sale then it's vatable.

Hence the whole confusion about 'ambient temperature' decidign if somethign is hot enough to attract vat under the new rules.

Forget Greggs their pasties are minging. If you want really nice ones get them ordered from HERE. I get 2 dozen every time we leave Cornwall to come home and then re-order more about [s]5 months[/s] [i]a week[/i] later

That'd be me 😀

Harry - Biting into a Greggs cheese and onion is like a game of Russian roulette. If its fresh out of the oven, then the filling is actually hotter than the surface of the sun, and will take the roof of your mouth clean off

Best pasties are to be had in the Turks Head, St Agnes, Isles of Scilly. Eaten with a pint of Hicks ale whilst sitting on the quay cooling yer feet in the sea.

You don't get much more West Country than that (in fact there isn't any country more West than that).

And the sun always shines there*, and its always 30 degrees*, so the VAT doesn't apply.

*according to childhood and early adulthood memories

DrJ

hot food has VAT, cold food doesn't.

binners, you might win the pastie off, but I'd still be standing at the end of the after party... 😉

I really can't be bothered and can't understand all the fuss

Classic British whinging isn't it?

Everyone complains about how the tax system has loads of loopholes and how big companies are avoiding tax.

Government closes a VAT loophole forcing companies like Greggs to pay the same VAT that their competitors have to.

Everyone complains again.

Emsz - cool your boots, man

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Government closes a VAT loophole forcing companies like Greggs to pay the same VAT that their competitors have to.

VAT is a point of sale tax, it's not paid by the seller, its paid by the consumer.

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LOling

Everyone complains about how the tax system has loads of loopholes and how big companies are avoiding tax.

I think News International paying less than 1% in tax, through dodgy offshore accounting, is more the issue here than sausage rolls

I must have missed the bit in Georges budget where he listed his proposals for stopping this.

Unfortunately the shop Dave claimed he got his from closed down 5 years ago.

...a bit of a [url= http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1999/11/17/ED56229.DTL ]Very Hungry Caterpillar moment.[/url] I am sure he had his toilet-seat-warmer beaten 'four with it on or two with it off' for the indiscretion.

I'm with Graham S ^^ on the 'what does this really mean' andgle: IMHO the pasty-gaffe is more newsworthy than the vat rise.

*looks at iDave diet sheet and ducks out of thread 🙁

VAT is a point of sale tax, it's not paid by the seller, its paid by the consumer.

Doesn't matter. It's up to the seller to adjust their prices accordingly to remain competitive. Why should Greggs be allowed to charge less VAT than Bob's Fish and Chip Shoppe next door?

Their tax dodge was that their "food" is hot for "presentation and hygiene" reasons, rather than people just not wanting to eat cold pasties. That's clearly bollocks.

I think News International paying less than 1% in tax, through dodgy offshore accounting, is more the issue here than sausage rolls

Agreed, but it's all part of the same foetid pie isn't it? Is the NI accounting actually "dodgy" or just "best practise"?

If [i]you[/i] eat so many pies that an extra 18p on your sausage roll is going to cause you massive financial hardship then the change in VAT is really the least of your problems.

This pasty tax has just been jumped on by inverse snobs to claim the lower classes are being oppressed.

When actually on the face of it it seems eminently sensible to tax a fatty, unhealthy, luxury food and close a loophole that means you would have been taxed on your fish and chips but not your pasty.

(but I do love a Gregs though!)

I am a bit unsure about this tax thing.....every time I go into Greggs for one of their delicious hot cheese pasties they invariably apologetically say..."They're only just warm.....".
Will they be the cold price or the hot price or something in the middle?

I think News International paying less than 1% in tax, through dodgy offshore accounting, is more the issue here than sausage rolls

Well News Corporation's reported tax charge is 25% and BSkyB's is of the same order of magnitude so it does not seem that tax avoidance in respect of the UK newspaper business has a huge impact which is logical as it does not make much money.

I think the issue was mainly with supermarkets, who are now selling take away food hot from the oven and not charging VAT, where the local shops on the high street have to charge VAT.
But the pastie thing is an anomaly that the press loves to go on about.
If morrisons sells hot chicken drumsticks and does not charge VAT, but the KFC sells the same thing and had to charge VAT, then its a very unfair system.

just saying, its all shit food, but I love it.

I tried ordering some pastis this morning, but they had sold out. I had a pernod, instead.

IGMC. 🙂

Warm pasties should attract 10% Vat

I'm not sure what affect this will have on the burlesque industry.

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The footage on the 10 o'clock show last night of Balls and Miliband going into a Greggs was funny.

Eight sausage rolls?

Just as well Prescott wasn't with them, it'd have been the sausage rolls for lunch followed by the rest of the shop mashed up into a wheelie bin for dessert.

You could base the economic recovery on pasties if they were big enough.

For example, the bulk sale of standard pasties the size of a guinea pig (see fig 1.) or even a BFO ones the size of Binners (see fig 1.) would have no influence on the economy unless you could sell a gazillion of them. You would have to shift several hundred units the size of Wembley stadium (see fig 1.) to even put a dent in the size of the budget deficit. To make a real difference it would be necessary to sell one the size of a Death Star (see fig 1.) and then you would need to get repeat business on a quarterly basis.

The problem with a Death Star sized pasty is keeping it warm. By the time you had got it from oven to counter the temperature would have dropped thus making it VAT exempt.

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Harry - you've clearly thought this through in some detail 😆

I have.

Looking at fig 1. I think I'd rather eat the guinea pig than anything else.

Just out of interest, has anyone managed to eat a whole, molten 'Steak' bake from Greggs without sustaining third degree burns, either in the mouth or on the hands as a result of gravy drippage?

I've gone old skool recently and started on the cheese & onion again.
Absolutely delicious, but nothing, nothing else gives me indigestion like it.
I alwas lose half the flaky pastry in collateral crumb damage too, but it's worth it.

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Can't we have a Temp/VAT curve imposed. A Greggs I use occasionally before a visit to one of my fave local watering holes post work the "hot" food is invariably cold. BUT it comes from the Hot counter.

I want the curve I suggest in sentence one to be imposed and I'll be (relatively) happy.

And ugger you it's only 18p, don't you realise for every 16 pasties I now eat I will be able to purchase one less pint of beer!

Outrageous!

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More Chins than a Chinese phonebook 😀

I might ask them to sponsor me for next year.

Harry the Spider - thats the On One Hundred isn't it? Crikey how heavy were you before you started.....

Nah. That is Rusty Spanner at the 2010 summer Hit the North. Don't let the blue sky fool you.

Am I the only person deeply disturbed by picture 2 above...

That's me at the second Summer Hit the North!
Purdy, aint I?

Course, I've put on a few pounds since then.
Mr Starship, stood next to me at the time, has been edited out in some sort of Stalinist purge.

Greggs paid for the space, he didn't*. An editorial decision was made.

*For more details see other thread on other forum about other thing.

Shrek-on-a-bike...

I've eaten guinea pig. Not in a pastie mind, I'm not mental.

I found all that weight Derek lost btw.

It appears to be hanging off my bum.

allthepies, it's true: I am indeed uglier than a hatfull of monkeys arseholes.
However I have a lovely personality and am very kind to old people.