[Closed] Parking Charge Notice

If you can't do the time.....

Me 3 - Staffs Council 0

Me 0 - Wolverhampton Council 1

It all depends on why and what it was issued for but I would say my success rate is pretty good!

'Parking' charge or 'Penalty' charge.

One is legally enforceable the other not.

Parking charge notice or penalty charge notice? For parking c n ignore it. For penatly, it can be beaten depending on conditions and what you did.

It's a Private parking notice rather than a Council jobby.

I was visiting friends, they filled out the permit. Then mid morning the next day told me I'd need to put a new permit on my car. Too late

As far as I can tell, the fine is an invoice. And I'm only actually liable for loss/damages. Which is the cost of the permit, which at £5 per year isn't much.

I have a solicitor representing me for free (he's a good lad), so it's more a case of me wondering if anyone has any experience ?

Aye, I know most never go near a court. But they like to try there hand every now and again.

The company in question just got nailed in an Upper Tax Tribunal

No need for representation. Ignore everything. Don't argue, don't respond. They will try scare tactics, then it will go away.

This might help;
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

Onzadog

The solicitor in question is a friend, sort of. He did say I'd probably end up in The Tower at the end of this.

They do, very occasionally got to court. The following link provides some amusing details.
http://www.clearest.co.uk/news/2012/7/10/private_parking_%E2%80%98bloodsuckers%E2%80%99_flayed_in_conference_speech

There's no worry here, more curiosity. If anything I'd quite like to see them take me to court over alleged losses of £0.013p.

If your mate wants to play them to prove a point then I say good luck to him. I too would like to see the award of 0.013 pence

If its a private parking charge don't even bother responding.

They will go away eventually

That PLC report is fantastic, thanks for sharing.

I had a one for parking in the local Aldi for a few hours. I had a two letters off them and have heard nowt for two months now.

The letters I've had so far are fantastic, look like they've been drawn up by an 8 year old.

This is also good: http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=70585&st=0

And this;
http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?326409-Excel&p=3839732&posted=1#post3839732

Just ignore them - they'll stop sending demands after a while (4 letters for our last one)

Just found this wonderful debt collection agency who pursue PCN's

Loving the "Mock claim forms" and the also quality silver and gold "package deals"

I believe the correct term is... what vile w$"kers

I got one a few months ago for parking in the wrong place in a cinema car park that was full. I ignored it and the following five increasingly threatening letters. The really funny thing was that by letter four they were trying to extort £280 from me but in the fifth letter they said "how about £120?" and in the sixth "how about £80?" thereby admitting defeat. After the sixth letter I noticed that all the letters, which came supposedly from three different crap agencies, bore the same stupid scrawled illegible signature... go figure... they're muppets.

Ignore, don't make contact, don't let them frighten you; you have a moral duty to ignore extortionists. If they had asked me for a fiver I'd have paid just to get them off my back but when they asked for £120 then £280 they lost any tiny moral high ground they may have held.

Where did you get it?

Actually forgot to link

http://www.flintbishop.co.uk/debt-recovery-solicitors-package-options.html

globalti - f$%^ing right I'm ignoring them

[url= http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2214803 ]MSE Parking Charge 'Snap'[/url]

The link above has all the letters from parking companies and the following 'debt collection agencies'.

I like to play 'snap' when I get them, and as mentioned above the same signature is used by different companies with different names - clearly falsified documents.

I use them for my last house move!!

No need for representation. Ignore everything. Don't argue, don't respond. They will try scare tactics, then it will go away.

My experience too.

Don't waste your friend's time, just ignore it all.

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Obtained by my Mrs who's a stafff nurse on nightshift, she's already paid the ****er but should she have?

I wouldn't have in those circumstances

However, it probably more effort than it's worth to recover the money. I'm assuming she paid the £20 early option?

Here's what the bacon think about PCN's

http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?/topic/42909-parking-charge-notice-pcn/

£20, almost reasonable for a PCN

[i]£20, almost reasonable for a PCN[/i]

I know, It's a bargain!

So, has anyone ignored a parking charge notice from an NHS car park & ignored it? (so she knows for next time)

Er, my BIL is a hospital Deputy GM and right at the moment his legal department is locked in a battle to force the consultants to pay for parking but they are all refusing. He told me he was determined to get them to pay up and would go to court over it.... I told him "dream on!"

why do people blank out reg numbers like that above?

To hide their Reg. number...

Which is ironic seeing as though its on display 365 days of the year on their car where anybody could see it.... 😆

Seems fairly sensible in a situation which (however unlikely) may yet be an unresolved legal dispute.

Obtained by my Mrs who's a stafff nurse on nightshift, she's already paid the ****er but should she have?

I have a massive collection of these from the University Hospital of Wales (I am staff). So have most of my work collegues. I haven't paid any of them. Its a bit of a running joke amongst the staff really - nobody pays them.
They keep sending letters from Debt Collection agencies (Roxburgh) with ever increasing penalties then they send solicitors letters (Graham White).
They ring sometimes to remind me of the notice. I thank them for their concern and advise that I'll pay asap.
Haven't had a call or letter in over 12 months.

I thank them for their concern and advise that I'll pay asap.

So you've told them on a recorded call that you acknowledge the debt and admitted liability? Best hope that they continue to fail to take you to court then, you're screwed if they ever do.

Talking to these people on the phone, at all, is usually a very bad idea. Far too easy to get tripped up. I'd decline to speak to them and insist that they only deal with you via written communication in the future. Which you can then ignore, ofc. (-:

[i]why do people blank out reg numbers like that above?[/i]

Cos they choose to. Next question.

Thanks for that Hugor. If she gets another (which is likely as she doesn't like street parking at night in Leeds) it'll be going in the bin.

I got one today, from the Forestry commision car park at Cannock Chase. I forgot to pay the car park fee and there was a notice on my car when I returned for £50!

I would gladly pay the original car park fee, but I am not going to pay £50.

I would gladly pay the original car park fee, but I am not going to pay £50.

I didn't know about the penalty no.
I am not paying £50 for a few hours car park.

Don Simon +1.

And seeing as no one wants the nation's woods back put into to commercial forestry, which might actually earn money, the FC have to make money as a government leisure facility provider. So its not some private corporation you've done out of £50 its those of us who pay taxes.

I didn't know about the penalty no.

Don Simon +1.

I pay taxes too thank you 🙂

I didn't intentionally not pay the car park fee either.

Strange how some people are happy to ignore these notices, but depending on where they are issued from!

I pay taxes too thank you

I forgot to pay the car park fee and there was a notice on my car when I returned for £50!

I would gladly pay the original car park fee, but I am not going to pay £50.

The use of the word 'would' indicates that you haven't. Had you say got back found the penalty notice, then stuck the original amount of money in the meter, then ignored the notice, that would have been awesome!!!
But you didn't 😀

The use of the word 'would' indicates that you haven't. Had you say got back found the penalty notice, then stuck the original amount of money in the meter, then ignored the notice, that would have been awesome!!!
But you didn't

No I didn't. Never even thought to do that tbh. I had already received the notice so was a bit too late to try and wiggle out if it.

Strange how some people are happy to ignore these notices, but depending on where they are issued from!

It's not strange at all, if you get a "fine" from the Police or Council it is exactly that, a fine. Additionally you actually have a reasonable appeals process.

If it is issued by a Private Parking Company it is technically a "speculative invoice" and a different kettle of fish. To which there is no reasonable appeal process. I have never heard of a single successful appeal against a ticket given by a Private company. It's worth remembering that there business model often can only work if they issue and receive the income from ticketing cars. If you pick up a ticket in what should free car parking area, how do you think they are making money?

No I didn't. Never even thought to do that tbh. I had already received the notice so was a bit too late to try and wiggle out if it.

I wouldn't have done so either!

I pay taxes too thank you

So did Jimmy Carr and look what happened to him.

JImmy Carr promptly apologised and acted contrite, and seems to have totally turned round the initila adverse publicity he got.

And he's still got all the money he should have paid in tax.

But it didn't do much for his reputation though. I think he's a bigger __________ than he was before. (Probably a poor example too).

I think he's a bigger __________ than he was before.

I'm sure he cried a little when he read this 🙄

I'm sure he cried a little when he read this 🙄

If she gets another (which is likely as she doesn't like street parking at night in Leeds) it'll be going in the bin.

(1) Could be very hard to deny that they have made you properly aware of the contractual terms / rules for parking on their land. And possibly even worse if you've paid one in the past.
(2) On the balance of probabilities I think it might be hard to convince a court that you were not the driver if:
- the vehicle is registered in her name
- she was rota'd to be working at that time
- she doesn't provide any justification as to who else might have been using her vehicle with a reasonable reason to be parked there at that time.

My gripe with Private Parking Companies is based around the total lack of an appeals process, and the usually ridiculous cost of the Invoice you get ticketed with.

There is no human for human error with PPC's, where as with Councils you can actually appeal and usually expect a reasonable consideration by there appeals department. If you appeal against a PPC, it's just NO F%^K OFF, but thanks for telling us who the driver was. That'll be £120 for parking where you was supposed to be parking but in ever such a slightly incorrect way.

[i]Might not be quite so easy with her own employer (i.e. NHS).[/i]

You do have a point there admittedly.

It's just a pain in the arse/wallet when she is supposed to pay £16.40 per shift just to park the car at her workplace! She doesn't even meet the 'criteria' to apply for a permit (a bargain at £40 a month) & no-one seems to know exactly what the criteria actually is anyway!
We don't have a problem paying to park anywhere else, including as a visitor at say, Harrogate Hospital, which wev'e done plenty of in the past, but £16.40 just for turning up?

The nub of it is that private parking "fines" are extortion, nothing more, nothing less.

In parking on private land you enter a contract with the owner and if you break that contract they have the right in law to try to seek redress from you. It is proper that this right exists because private land is often abused by overnight stayers, pikeys etc.

If I broke the terms of the civil contract and they said to me "OK that's a fiver, which is a contribution to our costs in maintaining the car park for your benefit" I would pay to get them off my back and because I knew I was in the wrong in some way. However the moment they write me a threatening letter trying to frighten me into paying them £180, they become opportunistic extortionists and they lose any tiny moral high ground they may have held, which is when I will resist out of principle.

Agreed Globalti