[Closed] Overtaking.

If safety was actually a priority for all those sheep in the line, they would be leaving "safe" gaps, i.e. big enough to encompass unexpected events (like someone "pushing in" without issue. However, tailgating aomeone 5.1m away results in not much room when someone fill that gap with a 5m long car! (which at some point they will, even if they are morally wrong for doing so)

Good road manners and defensive driving is a technique best encompassed oneself, suddenly you'll find you simply aren't affected by the hoards of "bad drivers" i'm constantly been told about.........

I see your cow-in-a-sidecar, and i raise you a lion in one:

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😉

Oh, so it's like that is it, maxtorque? 😉

Camel trumps lion.

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On the other hand, dog trumps camel...

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Effectively the selfishness of the line jumper compels everyone behind him to drop back and re-establish safe distances, sending a slowing down wave through the flow of traffic which we are all familiar with from the motorways.

Maybe if all the drivers in the line are driving dangerously, but even then the comparison is spurious, given the furthest back it can travel is to where the overtaker has come from, which presumably isn't actually that far back. You could of course always check what the HC has to say about this...

Elton John in a sidecar trumps all your animals

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pah, they are all just passengers:

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Bear riding a Harley = Top Trump

🙂

Dammit!

* applauds maxtorque's unplayable bear/Harley combo *

maxtorque - did you play Comedy Mammals Top Trumps just before Christmas? You'd have been a worthy opponent. 😀

Sorry, but you're all trumped

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Effectively the selfishness of the line jumper compels everyone behind him to drop back and re-establish safe distances, sending a slowing down wave through the flow of traffic which we are all familiar with from the motorways.

You could of course always check what the HC has to say about this...

See page 1 (yes, PAGE ONE) of this thread for that:

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Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.

The overtakee is required to help the overtaker past if necessary, and the overtakee is responsible for re-establishing the 2 second gap. We knew that 24 pages ago, but some people think they know better than the highway code.

Outa my doggone way - I'm going for an overtake . . .

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some people think they know better than the highway code.

Apparently fairness trumps that.

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Apologies if I nicked this off someone on here.

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Technology has the answer.

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Twice in 24 hours I've encountered vehicles (cars and a medium-sized van) driving along closely behind slow-moving tractors on open, straight rural roads with good views.

Twice, I have immediately overtaken (modest diesel estate car) said columns with no difficulties, no need for enormous power or any unreasonable risk. Twice, the other vehicles have not attempted to overtake the tractor and did not do so in the time they were visible in my rear view mirror.

Other people, eh?

ps. Should I have joined the "queues" each time?

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rebel12 - Member

But the whole point of this thread is flawed because a line of flowing traffic is not a queue is it? A queue is defined as a line of people waiting - most usually for the same thing.

That point got completely ignored about 500 posts ago, it'll be ignored again now.

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This is really quire outstanding.

Please don't ban molly - if he's clearly dumb enough to provide this much entertainment, he's presumably daft enough to do it again.

@molly - reported for being tedious

FLATLAND DOG!
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rebel12 - Member
But the whole point of this thread is flawed because a line of flowing traffic is not a queue is it? A queue is defined as a line of people waiting - most usually for the same thing.

That point got completely ignored about 500 posts ago, it'll be ignored again now.

Whhhhaaaatttt?

This changes everything! Seems like I've missed something pretty major here.

* Goes to read back through this thread to check that the difference between a queue of stationary cars and a line of flowing traffic was adequately raised. *

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Mirror, signal..wtf?

The overtakee is required to help the overtaker past if necessary, and the overtakee is responsible for re-establishing the 2 second gap. We knew that 24 pages ago, but some people think they know better than the highway code.

It may state
'[i]Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass[/i]'
and
'[i]Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you[/i]'

Which is not
'[i]you are required to make room when some tosser tries to pull into a non-existent space[/i]'
or as you put it
'[i]The overtakee is required to help the overtaker past if necessary[/i]'.

[u][b][code]If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass.[/code][/b][/u]

Which is not 'you are required to make room when some tosser tries to pull into a non-existent space' or as you put it 'The overtakee is required to help the overtaker past if necessary'.

You are right, better to leave them to their fate and let them get wiped out by oncoming traffic.

It would deny you the opportunity to flash your lights at them though

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Surely though if you are driving correctly, there is at least a 2 second gap between you and the car in front?

scuzz, put down the keyboard and step away from the crazy person.

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pass is not pull in.

You are right, better to leave them to their fate and let them get wiped out by oncoming traffic.

Not what I was implying.

By claiming it's the overtakees responsibility to create a space for pulling into starts the process where it becomes acceptable to aim for non-existent or not big enough gaps.

Just pointing out this is not what the HC actually says and definitely not the correct way to drive.

A competent and careful driver takes whatever action he or she can to make a dangerous situation safe. Anyone who doesn't take action to prevent an accident when they could have, regardless of how much of a cock the driver who has caused it all has been, falls below or far below the standard of a careful and competent driver, and thereby drives carelessly or dangerously (respectively).

So if you realise that 'speedy man' has misjudged the situation and needs to get in front of you sharpish, and you deliberately prevent him from doing so when you could have let him in, you are also culpable for any unpleasant consequences.

You lot have been playing so nicely, I imagine you're all hungry by now.

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and
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Are we allowed to eat while we're overtaking ?, except PP of course.
🙂

After your tea and biscuits...
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wow, freeky, thats EXACTLY what i've just had!!

(the choccy digestives and tea, rather than the inbred Mullet touting gun loving trucker 😉

And. looking at the packet, i think i may have eaten about that many too......oops!

[i]the inbred Mullet touting gun loving trucker[/i]

Yeah ?, but I bet he can sure overtake the shit out of a queue of traffic.

Twice, the other vehicles have not attempted to overtake the tractor and did not do so in the time they were visible in my rear view mirror.

Other people, eh?

ps. Should I have joined the "queues" each time?

For ****'s sake.

How many times do we have to say this? IF you have given the person plenty of opportunities to overtake and they don't, then you can. You know this, we've said it over and over again.

This is not the scenario I'm complaining about.

You know this, we've said it over and over again.

It's like being a goldfish but with a slightly longer memory span.

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How many opportunities should you be given before being overtaken molgrips? If you still can't accept your argument may be flawed after TWENTY FIVE pages, I fear you are lost to reason.

Three.

If you still can't accept your argument may be flawed after TWENTY FIVE pages, I fear you are lost to reason.

Cuts both ways, that.

Thought experiment- Mr Fast Overtaker actually is giving Molgrips chances to overtake, he just isn't aware of it because as far as he's concerned, there haven't been any.

Again for the 100th time he should be aware that I can't take tiny spaces.

Why the **** are you bothering? Seriously? I'm trying to defend myself, you're just.. I dunno what.

Ok you win. I'm a shit driver, I pootle around, I've got no idea how to overtake and I'm very angry. Please instruct me on how to overtake. I promise I don't already do all the things you say anyway.

Everything interesting I had to say to you, you ignored about 12 pages ago so you could concentrate on pretending that there's only one argument to answer, tbh. SO you can't complain too much if I stick now to the road more travelled.

Thought experiment- Mr Fast Overtaker actually is giving Molgrips chances to overtake, he just isn't aware of it because as far as he's concerned, there haven't been any.

Is actually a pretty good point I've often been second or third in a line of cars and thought if that was me in first place I'd have gone already but from two or three cars back you obviously need a bigger piece of clear road. So when that piece of clear road appears I don't hang around waiting to be held up any longer.

I expect the main protagonists on this thread have spent longer posting/reading/boiling their piss than the time sat behind somebody in a car they feel is stopping them from getting somewhere really important.

Thought experiment- Mr Fast Overtaker actually is giving Molgrips chances to overtake, he just isn't aware of it because as far as he's concerned, there haven't been any.

Is actually a pretty good point I've often been second or third in a line of cars and thought if that was me in first place I'd have gone already but from two or three cars back you obviously need a bigger piece of clear road. So when that piece of clear road appears I don't hang around waiting to be held up any longer.

I expect the main protagonists on this thread have spent longer posting/reading/boiling their piss than the time sat behind somebody in a car they feel is stopping them from getting somewhere really important.

Well all except one. He's spent longer than the whole existence of STW sitting in a "queue" behind a slow vehicle thinking about overtaking.

MrSmith - Member

I expect the main protagonists on this thread have spent longer posting/reading/boiling their piss than the time sat behind somebody in a car they feel is stopping them from getting somewhere really important.

I'm stuck in traffic right now and posting from my phone!