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Remember the CBI fiasco, where they registered as official No campaigners, then had the registration cancelled as it was apparently done by a junior official?
Well, turns out they were fibbing.
Is anyone surprised?
Lord Provost of Perth
Hmm. What does the Deputy Mayor of Bognor Regis have to say about the matter?
Who cares? Much less relevant than a veteran member of the SNP.
I like the facebook screen shot. Bonus points.
Aye, that's pure conspiracy theory. But there are more serious articles discussing it.
Links por favor
[url= http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN0F10MQ20140626?irpc=932 ]Here's one[/url]
[url= http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/investing/article-2551005/SMALL-CAP-FOCUS-Oil-company-Hurricane-Energy-breaks-new-ground-fractured-basement-reservoirs.html ]and another[/url]
http://yes2014.net/2014/08/01/oil-around-shetland-could-be-more-than-it-appears/
And there's this:
It's something to watch. Not a firm story yet, could all be rubbish, but certainly looks interesting.
On the subject of large untapped oil reserves in the Firth of Clyde and the west in general, and that these were covered up due to Faslane and Trident. What I don't understand is that if there is so much potential why hasn't the Government moved Trident elsewhere and opened up the area to the oil companies.
Folk down south would welcome the new jobs Trident would bring, people in West of Scotland would be glad to be rid of Trident and revel in the job boom the oil would bring. The cost of one would be paid by the windfall of the other.
It would be such a vote winner I can't believe that if there was that much potential it wouldn't have already been done. Unless I am missing something?
The problem is that there really isn't anywhere else Trident can sensibly go in the UK. Milford Haven would have been good, but they built a big oil terminal there instead.
bencooper - Member
The problem is that there really isn't anywhere else Trident can sensibly go in the UK....
The only disposable population in the UK is in Scotland it appears....
Indeed.
well, if you can't believe Ben's part-trained geologist friend on Facebook's friend's mum's assessment of oil reserves in the North Sea, who can you believe?
(a publicly-traded company that failed to disclose a major new proven discovery like that would be in serious trouble inc potentially personal liability for the directors).
konabunny - Member
...(a publicly-traded company that failed to disclose a major new proven discovery like that would be in serious trouble inc potentially personal liability for the directors).
That's what I thought, but on donning my tinfoil hat, I realised that a perfect excuse would be if they were told to keep it quiet until after the referendum for "security" reasons by the PM of the UK.
(a publicly-traded company that failed to disclose a major new proven discovery like that would be in serious trouble inc potentially personal liability for the directors).
Companies keep commercial secrets all the time - in fact company employees and directors can get in serious trouble for divulging secrets. One can imagine a scenario where a discovery is kept secret in return for better tax rates or other benefits.
Ben - it's not really up for tinfoil-shielded Facebook debates. Disclosure obligations for resources companies are a massive legal issue.
I notice also there is no identification of the company purportedly involved or why they would GAF about David Cameron's interests.
it is silly to discuss this third hand internet bollocks.
The only disposable population in the UK is in Scotland it appears....
And Norfolk, for a good while we too found ourselves on the disposable list.
At the hands of an overbearing [url= http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/26/usforeignpolicy.nuclear ]foreign[/url] power no less.
I'd imagine Aldermarston is something of a target too.
Although to be fair, is somebody nukes Faslane. We are all ****ed anyway.
Epicyclo, thanks but I'd already seen those. I think most are aware that there's decent reserves west of Shetland. I run (when he's about) with a friend involved in the development of the facilities on Shetland in perpetration for it.
What I'm actually after is a none pro yes corroboration of the story as provided by Ben/facebook. A rigger with the balls to stand up for their principles and country would go a long way on this matter. People pay a lot higher price than getting fired for their countries.
Might be worth a read
http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2014/august/companies-operating-in-scotland-must-plan-for-change-regardless-of-referendum-result-says-expert/
So the most able politician in the UK (sic) goes head to head with a man last known for standing like a rabbit in the headlights in the middle of the financial crisis. So how much of a car crash? Will the DO stick to his Starkey/Farrage/galloway-esque persona that has endeared him so much to women and the young voters! Or will he re-invent himself as a statesman capable of giving at least one straight answer?
Oh, for one piece of honesty and sensible debate about the core issues. Has the fiscal commission kept a rabbit up its sleeve to pull out a plan D? Or will the DO persist with his bluff and bluster (funny how those words slip so easily of his tongue. If all else fails he become a troll and play on the internet).
BS bingo cards at the ready.....
What do you think is the core issue thm?
Ah, classic THM impartial commentary.
I guess what I'm most interested in is if a) Salmond (and the questions) focus on the referendum itself and the SNP's plan for how the settlement etc will work rather than what future SNP policy will be, and b) Will Darling give any sort of vision for Scotland going forward in the union rather than just shooting down everything that Salmond says as impossible or unrealistic.
Im just going to guage my dissapointment on a scale of 1 to 100.
I'm normally quite optimistic in life.
Piemonster I hope you are going to give us some sort of guidance to the scoring on the Piemonster Disappointment Scale.
Some examples:-
Did it rain on your wedding day? If so what score did you give on the PDS?
You have spent a fortune on a new bike including 650b wheels ,it makes the trails seem less alive than your old bike. What is the PDS score?
It is lunchtime and after waiting in a long queue you discover there are no pies left in Greggs. What is the PDS score?
Oh, for one piece of honesty and sensible debate about the core issues
How can you write that introduction and then do an appeal for this?
Again you are guilty of doing the very thing you object to yet again.
BS bingo cards at the ready...
For your posts?
Ah, classic THM impartial commentary.
TROLL
It is lunchtime and after waiting in a long queue you discover there are no pies left in Greggs.
Nobody tell Binners this, but... Id consider a pie purchasing fail at Greggs as a win.
#foodsnob
Hmm driving to Lochinver to find the Pies By Post Lochinver Larder cafe closed, that would be a better comparable.
Well, I've had the misfortune to read the 'articles' about the oil tests WOS and what a pile of dangerous and misleading pap. Here's hoping for a good debate tonight but fearing it'll be the usual rubbish.
Propaganda, nowt new. And being produced by both sides.
Although I'm not actually 100% which side is responsible for the latest oil one.
can we do a non pie based disappointment scale ?
I can't decide if I should watch the debate or not. I forsee lots of shouting at the tele. Think I will catch a film.
I can't decide if I should watch the debate or not. I forsee lots of shouting at the tele. Think I will catch a film.
Godzilla Vs Mothra perhaps?
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Piemonster is an epicureanist. :-)For me it would be arriving in Acharacle to find The Bake House closed ...although The Blue Parrot is very good too. 🙂
Hmm - apple pie!
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We could do a mountain bike based disappointment scale,and I did suggest a wedding based version ...disappointing pies v disappointing weddings equally controversial on stw
Have been meaning to rewatch Gallipolli. Mel Gibson when he vas very very young, and hadn't climbed so far up the Crazy Tree.
This TV debate must be about the least watchable programme on TV for quite some time.
I see the three UK parties have signed a pledge to allow Scotland to set their own taxes if they remain within the UK. This is genuis as it pins AS into a corner just ahead of the debate. Truth is for AS to deliver on his promises he needs to put taxes up so now he has the freedom to do so after a no vote too.
his TV debate must be about the least watchable programme on TV for quite some time.
commonwealth closing ceremony??
This is genuis as it pins AS into a corner just ahead of the debate
thank god they have stayed neutral and not done anything for political reasons
Commendable lack of politics in their noble actions unlike wee shitty mc pooey faced DO BS of eck
Ah, classic THM impartial commentary.
I have never made any pretence in impartiality where the DO is concerned. He is potentially leading Scotland and rUK down a negative path based on deceit and lies. When he steps into the big boys playground and is immediately exposed for what he is, then he hides behind the classic paper shields of crying bully - exactly the behaviour he portrays in his little pool. (Not) funny that.
I don't think the debate is streamed in the rUK - so spared the detail. But the result will be interesting. By claiming that Darling has the heebie jeebies already, the DO has set the benchmark against which he must be judged. Anything other than an obliteration must be seen as a failure on his part.
Cue prep from Nigel Farrage....
Edit, jambalaya it doesn't take much to pin the DO in the corner, but beware the cornered animal - he will have some stunt to pull.
What do you think is the core issue thm?
He could start by outlining a case for independence. So far he has avoided this completely. Why is the leader of this whole movement scared to commit to independence and all it involves? The answer is obvious.....
This seems like rehashed old news to me, there is no detail in the statement from the three scottish leaders, and the final decision will be made by the uk leadership of whichever party wins next year. Each party is putting forward it's own proposal so we do not know what we would be getting. Finally the per centage of spending that would be put under Holyrood control remains very small under all of the proposals,so really it is nothing more than window dressing.
Well given how much use has been made of the tartan tax, Gordi, what do you expect? 😉
On the contrary Thm the core issue is clearly expressed in the referendum question.
"Should Scotland should be an independent country?"
Indeed that is the question - we await the answer?
Nothing so far. Both sides have explained why they think that is a bad idea. Two separate arguments, with the same conclusion. If you can't answer you own question then it be ones little more than a vanity project, and an expensive one at that.
Thm if jumping to conclusions was an Olympic sport you would get a gold medal
Well feel free to point me in the direction of a genuine case being made for independence and I will run all the way back through the long jump pit! In the meantime, we continue to await Godot, with I fear, the same result.
THM, it's tricky when your definition of independence seems to be different to everyone else's. Excuse me for paraphrasing here, but you seem to believe that if a country has treaties and unions and obligations with other countries, it's not independent.
We've had this several times - I've previously given you genuine reasons for wanting independence (for example getting rid of the nukes).
Thm if jumping to conclusions was an Olympic sport you would get a gold medal
No he is that good at it he would be suspended pending further investigation for suspected doping.
He's not even offering that Ben - only to stop paying for them. They will still be there under don't ask, don't tell -
See no evil, hear no evil, talk no evil...
And he opens up normally with the claim that Scotland will be free to make its own economic decisions while at the same time delegating responsibility for major economic decisions to a foreign country. You couldn't make it up - well actually make it up is about right.
Still will be interesting to see if he holds a sober,, statesman-like persona for the full 2 hours!!
commonwealth closing ceremony??
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JY I didn't watch that either, not even for Kylie.
only to stop paying for them
I don't know about the rest of the country, but I for one would be pretty happy with that.
I would agree on that too!!
For a wee giggle
The trouble with the West Wing is it makes all real politicians look like morons 😉
Many real politicians are morons
WRT the trident/faslane thing, again:
bencooper - Member
The problem is that there really isn't anywhere else Trident can sensibly go in the UK....
The only disposable population in the UK is in Scotland it appears....
I think devonport would be quite happy to take them. They did used to service nuke subs there in the past, and frankly plymouth is on it's ar5e financially, so a few thousand jobs thrown at them for the ( let's be honest ) very minimal risk of disaster, is a win for everyone.
trident/faslane - the submarines are there as geograhically it gives easy access out into the North Atlantic and in particular North Eastwards. The water gets deep quickly and allows the subs to go evade detection, as much as is possible these days anyway. The location has nothing to do with the fact that it's Scottish vs English or Welsh "at risk". That's all a Red Herring. I don't really think AS gives a hoot about the nuclear aspect, its just political expediency to say he doesn't want them. He's hardly "green" as he is 100% behind the oil industry, understandably so.
Many real politicians are morons.
"And we keep picking them again and again"
Pete Seeger
Well, independence gets off to a good start as the STV viewer goes into meltdown...
Yeh, still down.
I don't have STV on't telly either.
Every cloud has a silver lining.
Salmond is wiping the floor with Darling.
The brief few seconds I saw just looked like rhetoric from both.
Players gone again anyway. I blame MI6.
STV viewer still not working for me, anyone else?
up and down here
So far the best line of the night is a Michael McIntyre joke!
We'll, Big Eck asked about Space Invaders and driving on the other side of the road.
You ain't missing much.
If I here "best of both worlds" one more ******* time I'm heading down there to offer some extreme verbal abuse
Range of options... What's best for Scotland...
Do you think Scotland can....
It's like rhetoric bingo...what little STV has let me see.
IMO Salmond is doing more damage to the yes vote than Darlings responses.
Dunno, I reckon Darling is gonna crack
Ouch, the audience is turning on Salmond now, the yes voters are heckling the audience questions now, oh dear.
It is a bit of a mess. Reckon Salmond is doing a bit better. Like the socialist yes voter in the audience that wonders why Scotland should continue to subsidise the rUK. RUK obviously not her people. Tell that to the next Stevenage diabetic.
Salmond looked very uncomfortable when the old business chap with glasses told him off, he looked like a petulant child.
If I here "best of both worlds" one more ******* time I'm heading down there to offer some extreme verbal abuse
That's it, he said it again. I coming for you Darling.
Poor debate tbh. As a yes supporter I'm calling that a draw.
Yeah, a no score draw I think - neither of them did spectacularly well.
Many real politicians are morons
And going by that audience so are many members of the public 😉
Seosamh. I almost agree with you. Thought Salmond edged it but the quality of the debate was poor. It there one on the BBC?
Yes, BBC one in a couple of weeks I think.