because they mean different things ( at different time even more difference)
I think time is key here. I don't think they do mean different things anymore. That's how language works.
I was taught that unique was one of a kind ... nowadays I regularly hear tautologies like "very unique." It doesn't matter how much i might want to tell people they're wrong, it won't make me right.
It's change. It's disconcerting. It is.
Incorrect is incorrect. 🙂
thge reason I think its important to understand Great britain is larger britain is because people assume the great means fantastic when actually it means large
Yeah..... a (well meaning) swing and a miss. I think this is what they were going for, first 10ish seconds are indigenous language. It was used by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation as a segue during the period where people were locked down, and people really liked it. Although not explicit, the message was "we're all in this together"
We have a very special -physically distanced- performance of ‘I Am Australian’ by the students of Broome Primary School and children across Australia.
The ABC would like to thank the Mabu Yawuru ngan-ga language team and Yawuru Traditional Owners of Broome for providing the translation of the song and for assisting us in the making of this video
I just view this as incompetence by the DofE. They re-tweeted something (which isn't "just a tweet" these days - it's effectively a press-release) without really thinking about what they were doing. Had somebody with half a brain looked at this before re-tweeting it, it would have set off alarm bells.
I'm offended enough by what the Tory government and their cronies are doing deliberately, but what pisses me off more is their sheer incompetence.
But the world isn't black and white.
And your point illustrates mine. The meaning of Great isn't fixed. Just as myriad once meant 10,000 but nobody would suggest that today.
Meaning is different to intended meaning.
A journalist, for example, wouldn't dream of using Britain to refer to England and Wales because (aside from tjagain of Tunbridge Wells 🙂 ) nobody would recognise the intended meaning. They would write England and Wales, because they know what that means.
Weird that I'd be horrified at my daughter singing that at school but when she asked me to teach her this after seeing it in the ABC every day I was more than happy to...
We are one, but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come
We'll share a dream and sing with one voice
"I am, you are, we are Australian"
I don't think it's about the song but whether you are actually proud of where you live and the people there.
Bizzare coincidence posting that at the same time as batfink
Weird that I’d be horrified at my daughter singing that at school but when she asked me to teach her this after seeing it in the ABC every day I was more than happy to…
yeah, I sent a link to the video to somebody else last night - and played it on my phone before I sent it. My almost-5-year-old came running over and started singing along.
Bizzare coincidence posting that at the same time as batfink
Smoko time here in NSW
Coffee time in Melbourne 😉
Coffee time in Melbourne 😉
I get all my coffee from Melbourne - five senses beans at the moment. Obviously give the bags a quick wipe down first. We're all Australian certainly - but don't want any of your dirty Victorian germs up here in Sydney.
Currently waiting to hear from Gladys whether I can leave my house today
Sturgeons not impressed
" Asked about the initiative at an event for EU citizens today, the First Minister said: “I have to say when I saw it on social media yesterday I assumed it was a spoof, I didn’t think it was real.
“I’m trying to imagine the outrage there would be if the Scottish Government was insisting or even encouraging Scottish school kids to sing some song about how great Scotland is.
“People would be – and rightly so – up in arms about it. It’s ludicrous and it perhaps says everything about the disinterest the UK Government has in Scotland that they’re asking this to happen on the day Scottish schools go off on their holiday."
She added: “Every aspect of it is ludicrous and I think it says sadly so much that we know about the misguided priorities, the hypocrisy and just the ridiculous nature of a lot of what this UK Government is doing. "
Typical; we send you coffee, you send us Peta Cretin
She added: “Every aspect of it is ludicrous and I think it says sadly so much that we know about the misguided priorities, the hypocrisy and just the ridiculous nature of a lot of what this UK Government is doing. “
it's hard to disagree with that.
Typical; we send you coffee, you send us Peta Cretin
Whereas this ^ FAKE NEWS. She's Victorian.
The good news is that we've sent you something else (from a Sydney birthday party) - enjoy your lockdown!
A journalist, for example, wouldn’t dream of using Britain to refer to England and Wales because (aside from tjagain of Tunbridge Wells 🙂 ) nobody would recognise the intended meaning. They would write England and Wales, because they know what that means.
That would be nice, but all too rare. Most journalists either haven't caught up with devolution or don't care, with the result that England-specific issues are just reported aas applying (implicitly) UK-wide. Sometimes Scottish differentness is acknowledged, less so for Wales. "England and Wales" is currently a single jurisdiction (Scotland and NI are separate judicially) but with increasingly divergent laws (albeit not so many of the big important ones). The policy of the current Welsh government is to create a separate jurisdiction. "Local prisons for local people" as they don't say.
One Nation under a Gove?
(We don’t need) this Fascist Gove thang
From much earlier but @mefty I hope we've broken up for holidays otherwise as of this moment I've 45mins to travel 100 miles back to work. Oh and tell the kids as they all thought yesterday was the last day.
Sadly people like you will be trawling through his social media and personal life to find a way to “other” a guy trying to make his country, (which I imagine he sees as the UK (GB&NI) which I’m sure he’ll be cheering on in the Olympics) a better place. Those people are the problem.
I can assure you I won't. Believe it or not I have better things to do.
But if you think there is no issue with a jumped up non-entity plastic patriot like Gavin Williamson trying to get school kids to sing North Korea style, then you live up to the latter part of your username. I'm not even going tinfoil hat with this - just pointing out how yucky it is that a bunch of (otherwise) political no-hopers are tapping into a seam of xenophobia and nationalism to promote themselves.
It's idiotic nonsense
Have made it clear to the kids that they should refuse to participate and I look forward to backing them should the need arise
So a year ago on Brexit day they announce the new Union flag paint job on the RAF plane to much ridicule. This year they announce this but when that goes tits up and receives even greater ridicule the Government need a biggerer distraction so they ask the Navy just to get a bit too close to Crimea.
Tin foil hat time? Probably. Would I say Bozo would think of such a thing to distract from Brexit day and the disaster it is? Definitely
Hmm looks like I wasn’t the only one who thought this
“Yes it was Brexit Day and yes there is a by-election coming up, but coincidences happen right?
Well not everyone is convinced...”
Have made it clear to the kids that they should refuse to participate and I look forward to backing them should the need arise
I've told the kids they should not feel forced to participate and if they get into any 'trouble' I'll happily back them up.
As above, my son will probably (at most) mouth along with a defiant look on his face. Or s****ing.
My daughter might conform and mumble along whilst thinking 'WTF'.
The best we grownups can do with stuff like this is shrug and ridicule it should the need arise.
Been desperately trying not to comment on this thread but something is driving me absolutely mental.
It's not "DofE". It's not "DoE", it's DfE. [b]DfE![/b]
😉
(also +1 for TJ's definition of Great Britain vs Britain still being relevant)
I don't agree with everything Schopenhauer says but the general jist of his thoughts on education ring true.
Just because early imbibed errors are often deeply engraved and indelible
and the power of judgement is the last thing to reach maturity, we should keep
children up to the age of sixteen free from all theories and doctrines where
there may be great errors. Thus they should be kept from all philosophy,
religion, and general views of all kinds and be allowed to pursue only those
subjects where either no errors are possible as in mathematics, or none is very
dangerous as in languages, natural science, history, and so on. Generally they
should at every age study only those branches of knowledge which are
accessible and thoroughly intelligible thereto. Childhood and youth are the
time for collecting data and making a special and thorough acquaintance with
individual and particular things. On the other hand, judgement generally must
still remain suspended and ultimate explanations be deferred. As power of
judgement presupposes maturity and experience, it should be left alone and
care should be
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taken not to anticipate it by inculcating prejudices, whereby it
is for ever paralysed.
but remember kids
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength
Surely Hanlon's razor applies.
Its difficult to take seriously the idea that there is some sort of overarching scheme to indoctrinate children and fire more shots in the ongoing culture war. Versus the slightly more prosaic explanation that's it just another badly though out brain fart from a department ran by Gavin "Fireplace Salesman" Williamson
Don't think anyone is claiming a grand conspiracy just that it's another example of the crude nativism this government likes to use to 'play to it's base' and 'wind up the lefties' etc
I have to say the whole Russia kerfuffle does seem a bit too convenient though. The Daily Mail are positively tumescent about the whole thing.
Its difficult to take seriously the idea that there is some sort of overarching scheme to indoctrinate children and fire more shots in the ongoing culture war. Versus the slightly more prosaic explanation
We are far beyond prosaic explanations for anything. The only interesting thing as far as the vast majority of media (incl ‘social’) is concerned is conspiracy and culture war.
Remember the BBC not having a Proms choir last year during the thick of Covid? Prosaic explanation? Or irrefutable proof of anti-patriotic/pro-EU loony leftie communistic lizardoid overlords, and time to scrap the Beeb?
The answer, my friends, is blowing pi$$ing in the wind…
It’s not “DofE”. It’s not “DoE”, it’s DfE. DfE!
This. I know a lot didn't like him but it's a bit unfair to blame Phil for this.
deleted. Its me being dim
Its difficult to take seriously the idea that there is some sort of overarching scheme to indoctrinate children and fire more shots in the ongoing culture war. Versus the slightly more prosaic explanation that’s it just another badly though out brain fart from a department ran by Gavin “Fireplace Salesman” Williamson
i don't think there is much competency init but there seems to be a general vibe of getting people pumped up in a nationalistic way that all governments like to use. Usually it sticks to sporting events and wars but sing along day for the kids is a quite a step forward in the "give me a boy until he is 7" vane.
Its undoubtedly a brain fart, I mean the whole thing is utterly laughable. Sturgeon's comments about thinking it must be a spoof were spot on.
I suppose the point I missed was that without the flag-shagging atavistic nativism that forms the basis of our current politics these brain farts would never see the light of day.
I've just listened to some completely awful OBON song.
Why doesn't this come with some kind of public health warning?
I'm going to have to go and get very very drunk now in order to expunge it from my memory.
If that doesn't work I'm going to try inserting electrodes into my brain, how hard can it be?
Tomorrow is an inset day or I'd totally be trying to get my tutor group to sing this, just to see the looks on their faces!!!
The fact our kids broke up today and won’t have to be subjected to this shitshow just adds another tick in the ‘Reasons I’m so glad we moved to Scotland this month’ column.
Great Britain is the bigger of the two main islands. The smaller one is now called Ireland, although part of that is now part of the UK, that is often also referred to, confusingly, as Britain.
I still like telling Little Britain types that Great Britain was named after Brittany by the French. I think I used to believe it as well.
Great Britain is the larger part of what was Britain, the smaller part being Brittany. It is Brittany which is effectively "Little Britain" by comparison, not the island to our left.
None of those definitions mention all the islands either
That would be "the British Isles" then.
Heard a perfect somethingion of the song from Des Clarke Scottish comedian "I'm not saying it's terrifying but it sounds like it's written but Kim Jun Un and sung by the twins from the shining".
