[Closed] Now then, this is a good one. Fat-ism should be a hate crime.....

Smacks of political correctness to me!

spank me teacher!

Smacks of political correctness to me!

Yup, typical left-wing rabid socialist bollox which we've come to expect from the United States
......particularly from the Republican Governor of California.

I could start sticking them Lasagne's on the classifieds.
Might do a special one for that bloke from Leeds flogging the Ibis Mojo's.

Funny one this one.

james corden bases his whole career on fat is funny.

As a NHS Dr I'm happy to point out to the obese the errors of their ways. Getting them to change their ways is nigh on impossible. They tell you in the consulting room they live on lettuce and water, but if you bump into them in the supermarket they scuttle away and hide with their trolley full of lard based products! However some people don't like it- I got a formal complaint for advising a mother regarding the long term implications of her daughters obesity- get a grip it's not "puppy fat" it's blubber and most fat kids turn into fat adults. However if there is one condition which is going to kill the nhs in the upcoming decade or two it's the impact of obesity and the cost of it. Now i wanna gastric band because it's not my fault!

rant over

I don't understand the whole set of laws to protect minorities, weird beliefs thing.

If you hit someone, I don't care why you did it, it's assault, to my mind your motivation is irrelevant, hitting a black / fat / Christian / Muslim / ginger person because of the aforsaid description is no worse a crime than hitting someone at random. Same goes for verbal abuse and bullying. It's often not what is said but the way it is said, there admittedly are some exceptions, but often the anti-discrimination squad stifle proper debate because they believe even discussing things constitutes descrimination. 'Oi fatty you stink' shouted by someone in the street is abusive, 'I think your personal odour problem may be related to your weight' from a doctor or close friend is sound advice, same message, different context.

I'm not really comfortable with the idea of massively overweight people promoting their weight as some kind of positive thing, or of making fat-related bullying into a 'hate crime', but some of the childish nastiness on display in this thread isn't exactly helpful either.

Maybe it's because I am a fatty myself, but I find positive support and encouragement works rather better than being made to feel shit about yourself.

As a NHS Dr I'm happy to point out to the obese the errors of their ways.

Ah, but if you were a doc in the USA and your patients were paying to see you, then I'm sure you'd be very happy to tell them that being a wobbler is just fine.

Ernie, I think that is why doctors have the Hypocratic oath.

This may sound a bit wordy, but surely by not telling them that obesity is an issue, a doctor would be actively doing harm, which contravenes the oath - I'm sure a Dr will be along shortly to correct me on this.

There is also quite a lot of social cost to obesity - injury to NHS staff is one, lifting and moving an obese person cannot always be done with a hoist.

What's wrong with hating fat people for being thick?

😉

Can't believe San Fran though, a doctor is there to take care of people, even those who eat awful diets and cause the US health insurance premiums to be so high. It cannot be reasonable to expect a fat patient to be allowed to continue being fat without making sure they understand that it is their own fault and they can do something about it!

Oh come come glasgowdan, just think of the business opportunity a fat person represents for a medical practice in the US. You're not going to get much in the way of return if you encourage them to go on a diet.

Man, this thread has cracked me up on an otherwise tedious day. Yay for fat people!
Of course, you know that inside every fat person there's a thin person trying to get out... and yelling "why did you eat me, you fat gimp?!"

Personally I find it very hard to hide my prejudice against fat people, because they're harming themselves, being antisocial to others and causing a strain on the economy, their own cardiovascular system and the bus they're sitting on, all through their own laziness and/ or ignorance.

It's like I said the other day. You don't wake up weighing 30 stone. You start from a normal weight and then proceed through the levels of fatness, breaking the 20 stone mark with ease, rising through 23 stone, cresting 27 stone, on the home straight now to 28, 29 and bam - 30 stone of lard.

As a NHS Dr I'm happy to point out to the obese the errors of their ways.

Dr North's boss is a medic whose research is entirely in relation to obesity and the clinical, social end economic impacts of it.

He's fat.

Have you never felt the urge to holler over the office: "Oi Fatty! Physician, heal thyself!"?

🙂

and bam - 30 stone of lard

to be fair there needs to be bones and muscle too or they'd just be a small hill...

whose research is entirely in relation to obesity and the clinical, social end economic impacts of it.

He's fat.

it's a "Supersize me" kinda thing. Method doctoring.

But surely Stoner, if the Doc's 'research is entirely in relation to obesity and the clinical, social end economic impacts of it', then you have to admire his dedication and determination, to utterly commit himself [i]personally[/i] to the task on hand.

That level of selfless sacrifice in pursuit of research, is very rare these days.

Ms Szrodecki said: "This is a very common event - someone being beaten up should be a crime."

Is it not a crime to beat people up then? Great. I suppose I'll need to beat someone from the same ethnicity, income level, sexuality, sex and body weight though to avoid all the "isms" floating around.

If you really hate yourself, and beat yourself up about it, then is that still a hate crime?

If you're fat and you go on a diet, is that assault?

Quality thread guys.

glad you are back at ermmm work we missed you 😉

Nah, to count as assault, some-one else has to make you go on a diet.

[smug prick]i have a bmi of 17[/smug prick]

that is all (gloats)

Nah, to count as assault, some-one else has to make you go on a diet.

not necessarily, in the USA, children are being prosecuted for child abuse for posting or MMSing photos of themselves...

glad you are back at ermmm work

olly - congratulations on your ill health and impending heart attack from the muscle atrophy!

[smug prick]i have a bmi of 17[/smug prick]

Mine's 28.9.

I blame my bones 😳

(18.5 or lower is clinically underweight Olly!)

[i][smug prick]i have a bmi of 17[/smug prick][/i]

Enjoy it while you can. Death rates are highest in people with a BMI less than 20 🙂

Death rates are highest in people with a BMI less than 20

bearing in mind pensions will soon be a thing of the past, early death should be viewed as an added benefit, and far preferable to lingering corpulent poverty :o)

[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/fat-girls-having-best-day-ever-200909042032/ ]Fat girls are having the best day ever after a scientist said all the skinny girls were going to die first.[/url]

I once sat next to a fat man on a plane. 13hr flight.
Bits of him spilled over into my seat and was warm and sweaty.
He was also unable to put the table fully down because his belly was too big.

Thin people need protection too!

Lovely people surely, right 😉
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that cannot be a real bottom 🙁

must get that new bike stand

"Call me Ishmael."

Chortles at GrahamS 😀

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Oh dear, I'm "overweight". I'm reporting you lot to the pigs (the fat ones)

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and bam - 30 stone of lard

to be fair there needs to be bones and muscle too or they'd just be a small hill...

People at work now think I'm weird for trying to choke down my chortling...

I ****in hate the BMI chart... I'm 172cm and weigh in at 90kg, so that makes me 'obese' apparently. now I could lose a few kgs, probably around 6-7kg of lard I'd guess, but then I'd still be 'overweight' and I'd be down to almost 0% body fat! it's a stupid measure...

i have been watching this from the sidelines all day.
it is the same culprits every single day....... 🙄
the ones who are oh so politicaly correct are THE worst too 🙄

I ****in love the BMI chart... I'm 5'11" and weigh in at just under 12 stone, so that makes me bang in the middle of OK.

If you're 5'8" and weigh 14.5 stone, unless you're a body builder, the chart is probably right. Sorry.

Just to recap...

The OP linked an article that suggested that "fattism" should be treated like "racism" and also that fat people should be legally protected from being nagged by their doctors about their weight.

It seems fair to say that most of us do not agree, because we mostly believe that a significant proportion of the larger people are larger because of personal lifestyle choices. They are (mostly) chubby by choice.

(EDIT: We (generally) do not buy the "poor people are fat because they can only afford to shop at Iceland" thesis, as many of us have experience of cooking decent food on modest budgets. In any event, we do not necessarily see that a symptom of social deprivation should be elevated and given protection as a personal characteristic, rather than being mitigated. /EDIT)

In a country with quite a paternalistic approach to public health, and where much of the risk and cost of individuals' healthcare is socialised, taking lifestyle choices which (are thought to) lead to vastly increased medical risk is considered anti-social.

So, we consider fatness to be a choice, and one that we see objective reasons for wanting to reduce.

While most people are happy to accept that mocking someone for their race, sex, sexual orientation or disabilities is off-colour (largely due to the lack of choice that these attributes involve) and some of us (by no means all) are happy to take religion as being deserving of similar protection (but presumably on substantially different grounds as it is substantially choice-driven), we do not believe that fatness merits such treatment at all.

This may be over-rationalising the issue. If we're honest, many of us simply regard the larger people as being weak-willed, excuse-making and therefore contemptible, and also find them very amusing at a purely visual level (see the derek-starship purple expanse thread).

So I guess there's just a meanness in this world. But we feel we can justify it pretty well. 🙂

BD, you have just said in a very nice way what i was thinking, and was gonna post in a not so nice way...

chink, spick, ****, deigo, mong, spas, retard, queer, bummer, lesbo, tranny, fat...................non is very nice...........only one is ok to use........why??????????????????????

to avoid offence Tony I have called you "well nourished", is this acceptable ?

I have recently experienced the sleights of dullardism, and am now keen to avoid hate speech 🙁

If you're 5'8" and weigh 14.5 stone, unless you're a body builder, the chart is probably right. Sorry.

No need to be sorry... But I do disagree with the BMI chart, even at my absolute fittest (10 years ago, running triathlons etc etc) the lightest I've been was 84kg, so that still leaves me 'overweight' apparently... I do have the classic mesomorph body shape, pretty sure the BMI doesn't work for this at all...