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I know I said I was going to Llandegla, but the bike's in the car and I'll be off soon ...
Just saw the National Anthem bit on the TV - two players, including Rooney, very obviously not singing whereas the others were. Now I'm not a monarchist by any stretch of the imagination, but having the honour of representing your country, etc, I'd sing it! Seems a bit off to me - the commentator reckons it's because they're concentrating. Hmm, does that mean that the other 9 weren't?
I'd sing it!
Well get on the pitch with the england football team and then you can do as you want.
Does always seem a bit odd, expecialy when you look at the rugby team who belt it out.
everyone focuses differently
Seems pointless to sing it if you dont believe in it.
Treason! Few seem bothered mind.
the england fans are singing it for them now!
Give him a break the national anthem probably has too many words for him to remember
1) I'm sceptical about the usefulness of gods
2) likewise royalty
3) we need a new nondenominational anthem
Billy Connelly suggested we just sing the theme tune to the Archers....
I agree with the comment about needing a new national anthem, but in the absence of something more suitable, I think singing it should be encouraged as a way of uniting everyone. Yes, the supporters seem to be more than making up for it too.
Goal!!!
[i]3) we need a new nondenominational anthem[/i]
You're not sceptical about the need to all sing along to toon though? 😉
Rooney doesn't know the words!
I think singing it should be encouraged as a way of uniting everyone
apart from people who believe in a different number of gods, believe that the name of god should not be mentioned or don't care to be ruled by an invading German family ?
You're not sceptical about the need to all sing along to toon though?
don't get me started on "need" or footie :o)
I will never ever sing the national anthem, its a disgrace and an insult to the nation.
kind of the point, isn't it? united under the flag and all that, despite all the other differences
that's why the americans have their kids do this every morning before school. one way to help keep the union together.
Del, the Americans are so up their own arses they virtually brainwash themselves! The way they force their culture on other countries and what they do and stand for does them no good whatsoever. They call themselves world champions when the in at NFL for christs sake. I'm glad we try not follow what the yanks do.
**** the queen and **** god.
I would not sing it either.
one way to help keep the union together.
one way to pretend it's together when it patently isn't
They call themselves world champions when the in at NFL for christs sake
I believe it was originally sponsored by "The World" newspaper - though of course that name may have been hubris too 🙂
Why would the England team sing the UK national anthem?
Doesn't England have an anthem of its own?
I can understand Scots not singing it because of some nasty references to encouraging genocide on Scots in the verse we don't sing anymore.
I think it's a pity that the english don't have a national anthem to sing, so have to borrow the UK one.
Del - Member..............one way to help keep the union together.
2 points - one its the UK anthem not the english one - I think England should use Jerusalem and two - its not likely to do much for the union anyway iof you remeber the thirsd verse
Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the Queen.
Rooney et all are probably too stupid to learn the words. I don't suppose they get much past God before they forget the rest.
Pointless bloody sport this cheeserolling. We need a new less boring national sport. I hear the paint drying championships are riveting this time of year.
Although then what would the Kyle class do for fun and violence?
didn't they use 'Land of Hope and Glory' at the 2002 Commonwealth Games in Manchester. That would be preferable to wrteched anthem we have at he mo
right then let's start work on STW new version. May I suggest as the first line:
Being (male/female/undisclosed combination thereof which may or may not exist,) save our unelected, sponging waste of tax payers money.
who's got the second line?
Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the Queen.
To be fair, it's only encouraging the crushing of rebellious Scots, the one who tow the line are fine!
Maybe if it had more verses about getting convictions for assault and nobbing your best mate's missus/your nanny/old prossies the England team would sing with a bit more gusto...
and while you are at it please can we have rooney and beckham executed?
There's no way you could have a song to represent all the people in a country without offending some of them.
Mrs Toast - Member
'Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the King.'To be fair, it's only encouraging the crushing of rebellious Scots, the one who tow the line are fine!
It still rankles though (it was only 250+ years ago or so) and the government didn't make that fine distinction between the rebellious and the others 🙂
t still rankles though (it was only 250+ years ago or so) and the government didn't make that fine distinction between the rebellious and the others
yes, but to be fair you are all pasty white skinned gingers who wear skirts so you all look the same. It was an easy mistake to make 😉
LOL@ Mrs Toast
I still say Jerusalem for the English national Anthem. I don't like "land of hope and Glory - too jingoistic.
Its rousing building to crescendos, its about all of England
And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green
And was the holy lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seenAnd did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark Satanic millsBring me my bow of burning gold
Bring me my arrows of desire
Bring me my spears o'clouds unfold
Bring me my chariot of fireI will not cease from mental fight
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
'Til we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land
'Til we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land
It still won't please simon, on the grounds of its very obvious judeao-christian-ness.
No atheistic-poly-goddish-sceptical-self-centrist can possibly sympathise with the concept of "building Jerusalem". It has no more symbolic resonance for such godless relativists than the concept of "building Milton Keynes" does for the hindus. 🙂
Seems pointless to sing it if you dont believe in it.
Agreed. I do wonder how many of the crowd who happily sing it out loud actually care for queenie too.
It's the national anthem. While recognising that the hereditary principle is the wrong means of selecting a head of state, and being wholly unconvinced of god's part in the affairs of the nation, I am happy to sing the national anthem at times at which the national anthem is generally sung. I wonder how many English conscientious objectors to national anthem singing dabble in any genuine republicanism? 🙂
All anthems are a bit daft really
"flower of Scotland" has its stupidities. Its dreadful dirge as well. It always amuses me at the rugby when Princess Ann (who is patron of the SRU) is singing it - with a wry smile at "and send him homeward"
Stiull - its not invoking any gods and does say - "those days are passed now"
O flower of Scotland
When will we see
Your like again
That fought and died for
Your wee bit hill and glen
And stood against him
Proud Edward's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think againThe hills are bare now
And autumn leaves lie thick and still
O'er land that is lost now
Which those so dearly held
And stood against him
Proud Edward's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think againThose days are passed now
And in the past they must remain
But we can still rise now
And be the nation again
And stood against him
Proud Edward's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again
I once got slapped around the head by some silly Germanic cow (with her programme, muttering "Das Qveen! Das Qveen!") at a Royal Philharmonic concert for not standing for the "National Anthem", me being a republican atheist and all.
Was priveleged to see her charge into the bar during the interval only to trip up on the carpet and fall flat on her stupid face... 😈
Someone posted the full words of the Algerian national anthem yesterday. It was a song of liberation struggle against a colonial power conducted with considerable national sacrifice within living memory.
The reference in yours to proud Edward and in ours to Wade are so ludicrously anachronistic as to underline the silliness of worrying too much about it really. It would be utterly ludicrous for prncess Anne to throw her toys out of the pram on the subject, which clearly she doesn't. Expecting Sarkozy to sing along to Algeria's would clearly be a whole different thing (please, someone tell me if there is something on youtube...) 🙂
Well the queen is German. Saxe Coburg Gotha IIRC Married to a Greek / dane Prince Philippos of Greece and Denmark
Italys anthem is a nice jolly tune
I wonder how many English conscientious objectors to national anthem singing dabble in any genuine republicanism?
you mean we have to sing it unless we're actively subverting the status quo ?
It's a terrible dirge and I don't think anyone should sing it ever.
I vow to thee my country for national anthem.
But no matter what it is, id send home any player that doesn't sing it.
Emotion can choke you up & maybe hes just got a really bad voice!
ps swift ever had to sing the National Anthem in a public arena? It can be quite a powerful experience..
you mean we have to sing it unless we're actively subverting the status quo
It just seems a bit, well, [i]sixth form[/i] politics really. I don't like queens, so I'll be slightly rude. It's no skin off my nose either way, but it's hardly a point of principle worth taking in isolation. Murray's anguish about bowing to the royal box at Wombledin is rather in the same league of fatuousness.
It just seems a bit, well, sixth form politics really. I don't like queens, so I'll be slightly rude
judging from the lines I've seen, I object to almost every one of them - however I can't think of a situation where I might be called upon to sing the rotten thing anyway!
No atheistic-poly-goddish-sceptical-self-centrist can possibly sympathise with the concept of "building Jerusalem".
particularly given the current conflict over that real estate 🙁
Fairy nuff.
I'm not sure the point has arisen, but I'm reasonably confident I stand for anyone's national anthem - unless I am actively engaged in a struggle to otherthrow the relevant state - regardless of whether I know or approve of the words and sing where I know them. The same basic principle applies to polite bits of religious observance like saying grace before eating or singing hymns at "by default" CofE funerals though. I'm not sure it necessarily implies active endorsement, whereas failure to do so is definitely rather impolite. 🙂
real estate
Jerusalem being physically where it has always been, the idea of building it in Ingerland is simply silly unless one takes a slightly more metaphysical approach to the concept of "Jerusalem" than you typically show aptitude or tolerance for. 😉
The same basic principle applies to polite bits of religious observance like saying grace before eating or singing hymns at "by default" CofE funerals
wouldn't do that either, but never asked, though now I come to think of it, I am willing to concede the grace "Rubadubdub, thanks for the grub" 🙂
Our national anthem:
[i]Sinne Fianna Fáil
A tá fé gheall ag Éirinn,
buion dár slua
Thar toinn do ráinig chugainn,
Fé mhóid bheith saor.
Sean tír ár sinsir feasta
Ní fhagfar fé'n tiorán ná fé'n tráil
Anocht a théam sa bhearna bhaoil,
Le gean ar Ghaeil chun báis nó saoil
Le guna screach fé lámhach na bpiléar
Seo libh canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.[/i]
Translates as:
[i]Soldiers are we
whose lives are pledged to Ireland;
Some have come
from a land beyond the wave.
Sworn to be free,
No more our ancient sire land
Shall shelter the despot or the slave.
Tonight we man the gap of danger
In Erin's cause, come woe or weal
'Mid cannons' roar and rifles peal,
We'll chant a soldier's song.[/i]
Never fail to become emotional when singing it 🙂
There is an obscure third verse where there's mention of killing the Saxon foe... 🙄
unless one takes a slightly more metaphysical approach to the concept of "Jerusalem" than you typically show aptitude or tolerance for.
Oi! I'm all over metaphysics! But to my mind Jerusalem seems to involve too much triumphalist smiting so how about Stockholm instead ? Pretty as a postcard and lots of tall leggy blondes without scruples ?
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Three stars
The crowd were singing "rule Britania" it's been a while since we ruled the waves and the queen supports the krauts anyway so why not sing Deutscheland uber alles anyway
When Jacques Chirac was president here an impersonator phoned the French team manager pretending to be Chirac and politely asked the team members not only to sing but hold their hands on their hearts. They did:
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[i]its not likely to do much for the union anyway iof you remeber the thirsd verse[/i]
My understanding of that is that it never was actually part of the national anthem, and instead was simply a verse sung by a music hall entertainer one night in 1745 when the Jacobite army (whom most of Scotland were in fact against) was on its way south.
Of course that doesn't go along with the huge chip many of my countrymen seem to have on their shoulders about the anthem.
As for the Queen being German, that's just patently nonsense. And I'd rather have someone dignified like her as head of state than some elected buffoon pandering to the populist masses.
[i]The crowd were singing "rule Britania" it's been a while since we ruled the waves [/i]
It's not "Britannia rules the waves", it's "Britannia rule the waves". The song is looking to the future, not the past.
Anarchy in the UK?
kennyp - Member
My understanding of that is that it never was actually part of the national anthem, and instead was simply a verse sung by a music hall entertainer one night in 1745 when the Jacobite army (whom most of Scotland were in fact against) was on its way south.Of course that doesn't go along with the huge chip many of my countrymen seem to have on their shoulders about the anthem.
It is the genocide visited upon the Highlands that we have never forgotten. The government measures were directed against all Highlanders, not just the rebels. Most sensible Highlanders had actually supported the government - the Stewart dogma including exterminating the Highlanders. That is why there is so much bitterness.
Didn't intend to open a can of worms, but an interesting discussion nonetheless! I totally understand all the issues around "anthems" that were brought in centuries ago. My gripe was really just that representing your country should be a huge honour and if singing the national anthem is part of the routine, then everyone should really join in. I have real issues with overpaid footballers who are more prima donna than team player ...
BTW Llandegla was great - only saw two people during the entire circuit, but the cars were flowing into the car park as I was leaving 😆
* the queen and * god.
I wouldn't sing it either as a republican and an athiest
Only version that should be sung, quite appropriatte to Engerlunds progession in the world cup.
God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
Potential H-bombGod save the queen
She ain't no human being
There is no future
In England's dreamingDon't be told what you want
Don't be told what you need
There's no future, no future,
No future for youGod save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God savesGod save the queen
'Cause tourists are money
And our figurehead
Is not what she seemsOh God save history
God save your mad parade
Oh Lord God have mercy
All crimes are paidWhen there's no future
How can there be sin
We're the flowers in the dustbin
We're the poison in your human machine
We're the future, your futureGod save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God savesGod save the queen
We mean it man
And there is no future
In England's dreamingNo future, no future,
No future for you
No future, no future,
No future for meNo future, no future,
No future for you
No future, no future
For you
it is the British national anthem not the English ..not that anyone could accuse the English of arrogance or mistaking the two entities as the same thing.
Many people neither like the monarchy nor beleieve in god so it is quite meaningless to sign it. Personally I would not sign it but might stand up depending on how scary the skinhead next to me is.
As for rooney it is quite complicated lyrics for him to remember.
Ignoring all that it is a really really cr@p morose sounding slow anthem and almost anything would be better than that. I always liked the Ireland song they sign at Rugby seems very rousing is that the anthem?
There'll be an explanation online JY. Amhránn na bhFiann ( our-awn na veean) is specifically the anthem of The Republic of Ireland. Rugby is a one-island game and has had some raving [s]loyalists[/s]unionists playing in green. Singing the Soldier's Song was anathema to some of them. It was decided that Rugby would have a different anthem referring to the "four proud provinces of Ireland" and thus Ireland's Call was composed (in keeping with the peace process in NI). It's sung at away games and is sung alongside Amhránn na bhFiann at home games. It's very cheesy but I like it - it's quite rousing.
I believe it was originally sponsored by "The World" newspaper - though of course that name may have been hubris too
Bemused HTF all of this is the Americans' fault!
Your story is wrong - that supposed etymology is for the World Series, which is baseball. And in a QI-style, it's also completely wrong.
I like Irelands call. Its a good example of a new anthem that seems to avoid all the jingoism and nastyness of many anthems
Tehre is no reason why a new anthem for england could not be written - one was for South Africa as well and flower of scotland was written in the 60s.