Its disgusting to me that my tax money is given to religious bigots to indoctrinate children IMO its simply child abuse to indoctrinate children in this way.
I don't think that your average RE teacher fits the description of a bigot uncle Jezza.
They're not Osama Bin Laden
In most cases, they aren't even specifically RE teachers. They just teach in a catholic school, say, so maybe they're a maths teacher who does a thing about gods* once a week
* You'll note I used the plural as if my daughters school is anything to go by, they spend as much time learning about other religions as their own.This has included visits to the local mosques and synagogues where they mix with kids their own age of other faiths and learn about their beliefs, such as they are.
That doesn't really sound very much like indoctrination, does it?
Its hardly the Hitler Youth
What other purpose is there to faith schools?
they still have to teach the national curriculum, and parents can opt their kids out of some or all of RE. Kids don't have to take an exam and they can opt out themselves at 18. Sex and relationship education is compulsory for all children from 11 yrs, which includes reproduction, sexual health and identity. It's also part of the science curriculum, and faith schools have to teach it. Yes they can slant it to their particular faith, but TBH, I've seen the same thing happen at schools where it's nominally non denominational, but the head has a practicing faith (I was head-governor at such a school)...
It's not the best ever indoctrination system if parents can opt out...
Binners
here you have to be a believer to teach in the schools and I assure you bigotry is rife. A key tenent of the abrahamic religions is that those that do not follow the creed are lessor people. thats bigotry
Its just its normalised so people do not see it.
religion is a divisive and harmful thing. Using my money to support religion is abhorrent to me.
here you have to be a believer to teach in the schools and I assure you bigotry is rife.
No offence intended here btw, but you have no kids and haven't worked in education, what are you basing this on?.
I see lots of references to Catholic/Protestant sectarianism in Scotalnd. Is this encountered anywhere in Scotland beyond Glasgow or the wider central belt? I've lived in Scotland most of my life (since Primary school) and I've never really been aware of it anywhere other than Glasgow (I stress I'm not implying this is evidence it doesn't happen!).
and I assure you bigotry is rife.
...And you know this because?
No offence intended here btw, but you have no kids and haven’t worked in education, what are you basing this on?.
It seems to be mainly old Dave Allen shows 😉
mini 750 goes to 2 schools . A non-dom and a catholic. And apart from the catholic school having a statue of a saint at the front door and a picture of the pope on the wall, I can't tell the difference.
FWIW I am not catholic and mrs 750 is a vary lapsed catholic.
Neither have any classes on bonfire building
@Mat As I've never lived anywhere else, I'm not sure but I don't think it's as prevalent. Til you get to the islands that is, they're even bloody weirder!. 🙂
mini 750 goes to 2 schools . A non-dom and a catholic. And apart from the catholic school having a statue of a saint at the front door and a picture of the pope on the wall, I can’t tell the difference.
Yep. Daughter number one goes to the Catholic high school, daughter number 2 to the non-dom one next door (their respective choices).
The schools and the teaching appear to be totally indistinguishable from one another. Neither is a hotbed of religious zealotry
A key tenent of the abrahamic religions is that those that do not follow the creed are lessor people
You just made that up. 😆
The RC sixth form college across the road from us clearly doesn’t discriminate, given the obvious ethnic diversity of the students.
The RC church is expanding fastest in Africa
A key tenent of the abrahamic religions is that those that do not follow the creed are lessor people. thats bigotry
I didn't know Quakers were such awful people
You just made that up
He'll have you for heresy, it's a key part of the Atheist faith
And you know this because?
Bigotry is a key part of abrahamic religions. Someone who does not follow that creed is a lessor person. Thats bigotry
Mat - its mainly Glasgow area because thats where the ulster cotholics were transplanted to. It appears a bit in Edinburgh but to a much lessor extent
When was the last time you went into a church school? In fact, when was the last time you went into any school? Unless you’ve got some sort of actual knowledge of what schools are teaching kids about religion, you sound a bit nutty saying this kind of stuff.
Sadly this
I'm sorry tj, but my experience, and those of other posters here, suggests your views don't reflect the modern reality of these schools.
If they were dependent on their success at indoctrination, they'd all have closed years ago, and if indoctrination was their aim, they wouldn't be oversubscribed.
Not denying the appalling things done in the name of religions over the centuries, and in their schools in the past, but attending religious backed schools would appear to have made my kids more broadminded and tolerant than you appear to be (on this subject)
Bigotry is a key part of abrahamic religions.
I'm sorry uncle Jezza - I'm no more a believer in Sky Fairies than you are - but that statement is just total and complete bollocks
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I see lots of references to Catholic/Protestant sectarianism in Scotalnd. Is this encountered anywhere in Scotland beyond Glasgow or the wider central belt? I’ve lived in Scotland most of my life (since Primary school) and I’ve never really been aware of it anywhere other than Glasgow (I stress I’m not implying this is evidence it doesn’t happen!).
Bigotry in Scotland is a bit of a misnomer. It's more tribalism between Scots and Irish that's the issue. The catholicism part of that is really just more of an indentifier of the Irish diaspora.
Many of you are missing my point. abrahamic religions are bigoted in nature. the view that a non believer is a lessor person. Religious schools reinforce this view.
I loathe the abrhamic religions because of the huge harm they do. Religious schools normalise and accept this bigotry
too many of you have stockholm syndrome over this and do not realise that your tax money is being used to reinforce religious bigotry.
I’m sorry uncle Jezza – I’m no more a believer in Sky Fairies than you are – but that statement is just total and complete bollocks
Its a key tenent of abrahamic religions that a non believer is a lessor person. thats bigotry
Are you really attempting to state that its not a key part of the religion? go read some bible. Its full of it.
Not once did I get taught other people are lesser. Mibbe that was the class after I made choice freely, aged 12 that the church wasn't for me. 😆
The schools and the teaching appear to be totally indistinguishable from one another.
I don’t know about religion, if you could put up with the RE, we just got a better standard of education than the godless heathens up the road. I would imagine thats the case for 99.999% of the people sending their kids to ‘faith’ schools.
You know that doesn't really add up dont you?
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Its a key tenent of abrahamic religions that a non believer is a lessor person...
Errr No. A key tennent of Christianity is "love thy neighbour". I won't speak for the other Abrahamic religions as I'm not well versed in their key teachings.
Theres only one person on this thread who seems to be hysterically preaching intolerance of other peoples views 😉
You know that doesn’t really add up dont you?
I wasn't being serious about the godless heathens thing. All parents want the best education for their kids. I suspect that for 99.999999% (well... everyone apart from TJ) whether its nominally catholic, C of E or whatever is neither here nor there.
Certainly wasn't for me. One daughter goes to a catholic school, one to a non-dom *(their choice)
The RC church is expanding fastest in Africa
I live in Wales.
gonefishing - Look at the quotes above your post. Non believers are seen as lessor people.
Binners - its because I lathe them for the huge amount of death and suffering they cause. From the churches preventing condom use in Africa and south america leading to huge numbers dying of aids to the immense suffering caused by their objections to dignity in dying. It abhorrent
It abhorrent
Yes, those things are abhorrent, that's not what going on at St Wilfred's CoE Junior in Tinge-on-the-Ouse though. Seriously, have some perspective.
You know that doesn’t really add up dont you
I wasn’t being serious about the godless heathens thing. All parents want the best education for their kids. I suspect that for 99.999999% (well… everyone apart from TJ) whether its nominally catholic, C of E or whatever is neither here nor there.
Sorry I should have been more selective with my cropping, I meant the "it's the same" "it's better " bit.
Any how, someone up there mentioned bonfire building classes, I think these should certainly be added to the curriculum. That thing on pg1 would be an awesome school project.
Of course it is nickc - religious schools teach that religion is a good thing and that believers are better people. Faith schools are all about indoctrinating folk into a harmful and abhorrent philosophy.
Many of you are missing my point.
I think you are missing our points
The intolerant stuff in the bible is no longer taught in these schools, in the experience of most if the people on here.
Really - are you claiming they do not follow their creed and do not teach that believers are "better". Or is it just its normalised so you do not see it?
they teach that non believers go to heaven? Really?
they no longer teach key parts of the creed? They consider non believers and believers are equal in the eyes of their sky fairy?
Have they accepted equal roles for men and women in their faith ( I do know some now do this)
Faith schools are all about indoctrinating folk into a harmful and abhorrent philosophy.
I'm not remotely religious, but I'm perfectly prepared to countenance the concept that for a lot of people spiritual belief is a positive thing in their lives, and actually enables them to do lots of good and positive things in their communities.
To dismiss them all as bigots and zealots and all religions as 'abhorrent philosophy' is quite frankly mad
religious schools teach that religion is a good thing and that believers are better people.
They really don't teach that at all. I genuinely don't know where you've got the mad idea that they do
Dear god... I never ever thought I'd find myself defending the catholic church
The good they do is far outweighed by the harm they do. People are literally dying right now in pain and distress because of religion. Mother Theresas "beautiful suffering"
Anything else that created as much physical and mental harm to people would be banned
religious schools teach that religion is a good thing and that believers are better people.
Not in my experience, and as I was a governor at a school for 5 years and was lead for 3 of those, and had a view on the curriculum and oversight of the policies that backed it up, including a quasi-legislative role about how subjects were taught, I'm going to say you're talking nonsense because you haven't a scoobie about what goes on in schools. For reference I'm as atheist as you are, and like binner's kids our RE lessons (that ALL schools have to teach, remember) were as broad as they could, and included all sorts like Shinto and Buddhism, as well as Abrahamic. We certainly didn't teach kids that they're better than others because of their belief FFS
We certainly didn’t teach kids that they’re better than others because of their belief FFS
So you taught heaven is nonsense? You taught that all people of all faiths are equal in the eyes of god? You taught that religion is an oppressive tool? You taught that non religious people can me moral and goodly?
Really - you try to claim that a religious school goes against the teachings of the church?
To dismiss them all as bigots and zealots and all religions as ‘abhorrent philosophy’ is quite frankly mad
Abrahamic religions. Not all religions.
The RE lessons at my daughters (non-dom) school appear to be more like philosophy lessons than any traditional idea of religion as a lot of people lie TJ seem to have in their heads.
Theres certainly no fiery pits of hell and damnation for heretical non-believers involved
Dear god… I never ever thought I’d find myself defending the catholic church
Well done binners!!
I went to a Catholic school as a non-chirstened non-believer. Regular mass didn't change me. I do not condone religion. OR massive bonfires!
Abrahamic religions. Not all religions.
So what are you basing the distinction on? What are non-Abrahamic religions doing differently that spares them your wrath?
For reference this was a primary-junior through school, (reception aged to11 year old) so no, we didn't teach them those things, that's not what schools do...We taught them stuff like "What do adherents to specific religions believe?", "what special foods or diets do they have?", "what and why do they have commemorative days to celebrate?"...that sort of thing. where we could we found folk to come into talk about their beliefs, Imams, Rabbis, that sort of thing
The days of thunderous pulpits and whippings are long gone.
Binners
some other non abrahamic religeons are equally nasty and oppressive. some are not. sikhism for example you are not allowed to attempt to convert others and its taught that all people believers and non believers are equal
Nickc - so you are claiming that your faith school taught that athiests and god botherers are equal? Did you teach any non religious philosophy? Did you tell them that the religions are a tool to oppress people? did you teach them that god is a manmade invention?
What are non-Abrahamic religions doing differently that spares them your wrath?
Well they're absolutely not doing anything bad. Just ask a Uyghur or a Rohingya, or any of the minorities in India for example. They'll all tell you their non-Abrahamic neighbours are brilliant.
HOw many people have died of aids because condoms are evil according to religious bigots? Millions.
.z
Non believers are seen as lessor people.
No they aren’t
Fewer?
