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I am afraid that its a basic part of the creed. Non believers do not get into heaven. Thats because they are lessor people. Of less worth. You need to read some bible. I have.
Hitler wasn’t religious - just sayin’…
TJ, these are 5-11 year olds; some of those concepts are waaaaay outside the remit of a junior school. We certainly taught about athesim, and that it's OK to not be religious. We approached all religions equally, concepts like what a philosophy is and what oppression is are a bit much at that age TBH. The curriculum isn't designed to speak to kids about these things (at this age), it's designed to give them an understanding about what religions believe, what their priests/churches are called...the nitty gritty of them rather than if they're the only gateway to ultimate salvation, y'know?
Did you teach that religions are made up medieval creeds designed to control people? Or did you teach that religion is normal and good?
did you teach them about the harm religeons do? Millions of deaths in africa because of religious teachings about condoms?
Again...these are 5-11 year old kids. so no we didn't hit on concepts like the medieval understanding of god, no.
Like I said, your understanding is totally off when it comes to what's being taught in UK schools about religion. Why don't you call a local school and get involved?
tjagain
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Did you teach that religions are made up medieval creeds designed to control people? Or did you teach that religion is normal and good?
What I remember about the catholic parts of the catholic education, was that it was mostly centred around morality and being good to other people.
Though I guess you'll believe what you want, despite other people telling you of their experiences.
ffs, for my confirmation in P7 we did a play in the chapel, it was about a story based in new york teaching us about the dangers gangs and drug abuse. 😆 fairly relevant modern day teaching giving the state of gangs and drug abuse in 90s Glasgow.
After primary, tbh any of the catholic parts were entirely voluntary and your choice if you wanted to explore further. They were pretty poor in the indoctrination department, if the truth be told.
Nickc - did you or did you not teach that god is real? did you teach that all people are equal despite it being against the religious teachings?
Of course I understand that fire and brimnstone is not taught. What I object to is any teaching that places made up myths on the same level as science.
If you did not teach them about the harm religion does then yo are not giving them a proper view of religion
When you're doing your bible reading, you should probably get around to the New Testament at some point Uncle Jezza.
Your view of christianity seems to be firmly rooted in the Book of Revelations.
You don't seem to want to hear what pretty much everyone is telling you, from their own experiences, that your idea of religious teaching is nothing whatsoever like the reality of it. Indoctrination it most certainly isn't.
so, anyone want to talk about bonfires?
TJ - I understand how your recent loss is colouring your views on this, and I understand and support you on that point.
But your views on what is taught in these schools - hell even church and Sunday schools - wasn't my experience even 40-50 years ago. (And despite church, Chapel and Sunday school, I'm not an indoctrinated believer either)
I'm not denying the legacy of interference in secular matters doesn't exist and doesn't still cause harm, and it needs to be removed.
But religion brings a huge amount of peace and hope into people's lives as well, and the majority of the local charities round here, who have done great work supporting people during the pandemic, are backed by religious groups, of all faiths and denominations.
Blinkered hatred of any group is wrong, however much you are hurting.
When I was at primary school, St Brendans down the road had a boiler failure, and their primary 6 and 7 came to our school for several months. They started, finished and had a different break times from us. WTF is that all about? I had mates in those classes, and I never seen them at school.
Bloody bizarre.
Still the case now. Different meal times and start/end times. Think they have the same break times though. As you say, bloody bizarre.
I see lots of references to Catholic/Protestant sectarianism in Scotalnd. Is this encountered anywhere in Scotland beyond Glasgow or the wider central belt? I’ve lived in Scotland most of my life (since Primary school) and I’ve never really been aware of it anywhere other than Glasgow (I stress I’m not implying this is evidence it doesn’t happen!).
It's a predominately central belt thing but definitely not confined to Glasgow. You can probably blame 60s town planning and the emptying of Glasgow for it getting to Fife though.
It probably depends on the company you keep as well. In professional settings it's probably very rare but on the floor it's a different story. I've heard more than a few eye opening stories and comments in my time.
Bigotry in Scotland is a bit of a misnomer. It’s more tribalism between Scots and Irish that’s the issue. The catholicism part of that is really just more of an indentifier of the Irish diaspora.
You can call it what you like but it amounts to the same thing. I'm not saying you're wrong in a historical sense but your typical bluenose isn't going to stop and ask for a look at someones family tree before giving them abuse. It's morphed into something so much more since the 19th century, whatever the origins were nobody except historians really concerns themselves with it. The reality is really a bunch of overgrown children with an aversion to certain colours, patterns and numbers making life shit for the adults.
To the English posters, whatever you're arguing is completely irrelevant up here. Different system with baggage you just don't have or understand (and I hope never do). Its nothing like as bad as NI but its the same nonsense.
Nickc – did you or did you not teach that god is real?
We taught kids about what people who are religious believe including stuff like which god(s) they pray to. We didn't make decisions for them. We didn't make value judgments. I know that some faith schools place an emphasis on what they believe, but the vast majority of UK schools are just teaching to the curriculum which is, as I've said, more about the nitty gritty of festivals and such like at junior school (it's reasonably age-determined, and gets more involved as kids get older)
did you teach that all people are equal despite it being against the religious teachings?
yes we had a set of principles in the school about how be nice/kind to each other (remember these are 5 years olds) which included stuff like skin colour, eating habits, religious beliefs and so on. As I've said many times now, we didn't make value judgements about religion. We just told kids what they are.
Like as I said, why don't you get in touch with a local school, and talk to them about becoming a governor? That way you'd have more of an insight into something you're clearly passionate about, but seem to have no idea as to the reality of.
The reality is really a bunch of overgrown children with an aversion to certain colours, patterns and numbers making life shit for the adults.
Perhaps, but it is rooted in a very real history (and not ancient history) of anti Irish discrimination that Scotland still refuses to barely acknowledge even existed.
Faith schools wouldn't exist if the people in charge of them didn't think they were serving the goals of that faith. Seems pretty simple to me... A school's job is to teach.
TJ's over the top as usual but, I used to visit a lot of schools... Being asked "are there a lot of catholics at your university, will I be able to fit in" and also "are there a lot of protestants at your university" threw me the first time I got it, but I had to get used to it. Having a kid tell me that she was thinking of doing biochemistry, because her teacher had told her she shouldn't do medicine because she'd have to agree to do abortions, that one threw me far enough to complain to the school, which it turned out was the first time my team had ever complained to a school about careers guidance they'd given out. I'd heard that nonsense before but only from knuckledraggers.
Hitler wasn’t religious – just sayin’…
No, he was vegetarian! Make of that what you will.
I went to a Catholic school as a non-chirstened non-believer. ...... OR massive bonfires!
The bonfires are more favoured by the other lot.
Religious bigots and their interference in the secular world meant my Julie had a prolonged death that was undignified and unpleasant. They can GTF with their nonsense. it causes huge suffering
I am sorry about your loss. The issues around assisted dying go way beyond those that would be seen as religious in origin. It's a difficult and complex area of ethics and a clear view either way is not without posing difficult contradictions.
Again my sympathies in this difficult time
