[Closed] My 2 1/2 year old keeps saying he sees a lady in his room.......

Sorry if I came across as patronising, that really wasn't my intention, I was trying to point out that your surprise at her ability is true, but that a logical and rational approach would suggest that however she managed to do it, it probably wasn't in any way paranormal or unusual.

Again though, if she has this gift, and I'm wrong, why is she using it for trivial entertainment?

Ok I do not believe in the paranormal but there have been things that I can't explain..... come on the you sceptics rationalize please

For a period of about 6 months about a year ago the light in my Daughter's room (1year old when it started) used to come on by itself in the night, always between 7 - 11pm.

This happended on many occasions and to start with me and SO started by putting it down to one of us leaving it on. After it happended a handful of times we were sure it wasn't one of us doing it. It was the same situation every time. light tured on but dimmed to half light. After about the 5th or 6th time we got in to a routine of pushing the light off and then turning the dimmer all the way down so it would have been off even if you pressed it by accident. Later it was always same story, one of us would go up to the toilet and find the light on and half dimmed.

It happended enough to alarm us but I could never but it down to anything. It happended on many occasions when we both put her to bed and then both went down together. No electrical work was ever carried out during this period and it hasn't happended since. 6 months of very strange things, freaked the misses out somewhat and annoyed me as could never put my finger on why.

For all you believers we have 3 deceased parents between us and this was our 1st child, this period also covered the 1st 6 months that she went into her own room on her own

crikey - I never suggested it was 'magic', I merely stated I couldnt understand how she had been so specific without any input from myself.

You say that she got many things right, but how many things did she say that were wrong or were so vague that they are open to interpretation?

No worries crikey. My surprise was mainly due to the fact that (a)I kept schtum throughout in order to prevent her from cold reading, etc, and she appeared, in fact no, she was able to give me specific dates, names, etc. It was a bonus as well that she kept the 'whooo' factor to a minimum, and appeared as ready to take the p**s out of herself as I was to do it for her.

gonefishin - amazingly, she wasnt vague at all, just kind of bang bang bang, there you go. As I've said a couple of times, I generally think very little of so called 'mediums', I know how the vast majority of them 'work', but in this instance, I have no (rational) explanation.

It happended enough to alarm us but I could never but it down to anything. It happended on many occasions when we both put her to bed and then both went down together. No electrical work was ever carried out during this period and it hasn't happended since. 6 months of very strange things, freaked the misses out somewhat and annoyed me as could never put my finger on why.

Impossible to tell without being aware of all of the surrounding details, including stuff you probably forgot.

A more interesting question is why would a dead grandparent turn the light on.

It happended enough to alarm us but I could never but it down to anything. It happended on many occasions when we both put her to bed and then both went down together. No electrical work was ever carried out during this period and it hasn't happended since. 6 months of very strange things, freaked the misses out somewhat and annoyed me as could never put my finger on why.

I bet it was your wife. There is a wealth of scientific evidence to support the conclusion that women are ****ing Nutters. No offence to your wife like 😉

Coffeking, what other details could play apart? Child was to small to do it and couldn't reach if she tried. No one else was ever in the house at the time.

As I said I do not believe in anything paranormal, just through the grandparents thing in to keep it relevant...

The interesting bits in all this are less to do with what happened and more to do with the way that people assume because something is unexplained, it should have a 'paranormal' origin.

In terms of the light being on, is it reasonable to assume some third party/spirit/ancestral power is the reason?

To do so assumes that;

i) Said thing has some ability to detect that a light is on or off.

ii) Said thing has some ability to operate electrical switches.

iii) Said thing has some knowledge of time.

iv) Said thing can use the above qualities to keep turning a light on.

So by postulating a spiritual reason for the light, we assume a ghost with a watch, with a solid finger, and some kind of light sensitive apparatus.

What would seem at first glance to be the simplest explanation doesn't really cut it.

It's also interesting to think that we can live in a world bound for the most part by certain rules, yet choose to ignore those rules when faced with something unexplainable.

Coffeking, what other details could play apart?

A faulty dimmer switch?

Once whilst stopping at an ex's house I couldn't sleep and was looking up at the ceiling. I slowly became aware that I was looking up at a woman who was laying as if on a bed but on the ceiling. I wasn't scared though it sounds hellish scary, I rolled slowly onto my side and the woman stayed infront of me so now she was on the side wall. Again I rolled the other way and again she followed my gaze. I gave up here and pulled the quilt over my head. Eventually I fell asleep but didn't have a great night.
In the morning when my ex came in and asked if I'd had a good nights sleep I told her the freak story. Turns out her Grandmother had died in the room some years before. Her parents were religious (hence the seperate rooms, me sleeping alone) and she made me promise not to tell her parents.
I still completely believe what I saw but at the same time I'm sceptical about ghosts. Conflicting opinions I know. If conversations turn to ghosts at first I argue against then remember the experience and have to jump to the other side of the fence.

Coffeking, what other details could play apart?

Faulty electrics, damp, mistaken bumping of switches (especially those that you press to turn on/off and rotate to dim), other-halves freaking you out on purpose for a joke and not telling you for years because you seemed to be drawn in by it. Any or all of the above would seem more likely to me than a visiting spirit turning lights on for no apparent reason. Of course you'll say no because you're sure of that not being the case, but there could be something you've forgotten, or didn't consider as important at the time etc.

Turns out her Grandmother had died in the room some years before. Her parents were religious (hence the seperate rooms, me sleeping alone) and she made me promise not to tell her parents.

Seems a bit mean to keep that from her parents, I mean they might have wanted to go to the funeral.

And of course the fact that we're programmed to "see" faces and people in things (thats why we see faces and body shapes in clouds and trees etc) and the fact that you were tired would have nothing to do with it. Not to mention how realistic dreams can be, and how you can be dreaming but think you're awake etc, I'm not sure how you can be too spooked by it.

A faulty dimmer switch?

Crikey - Again I didn't say this was paranormal, I didn't assume it was anything spiritual and I do not believe. Maybe I should have posted this on the chat forum under electrical problem. Was just interested to see if anyone could think of something I hadn't.
So if the believer's are gullable whats someone who discredits their views without offering any reasonable explanation?

I still maintain that a lot of what we term 'paranormal' is just us wanting to believe there is something more after death. You can call it faith, belief, or dress it up as religion, whatever. I've been interested in this sort of 'stuff' for years, and although I've had a few experiences that I have no rational explanation for, I can in no way offer this as any kind of proof. I was a member of a paranormal research group for a few years, and found that most 'hauntings' can be put down to dodgy plumbing, etc. Your imagination and the fact that youre on your own in a creepy old building in the middle of the night does the rest for you. It both amuses and depresses me that we desperately want to believe that what are generally quite mundane events (flickering lights, creaking or knocking sounds, etc) are in some way the souls or ghosts of departed friends / family attempting to get in touch. Having said that, a part of me still wants to believe, but equally, I am also able to see the naivety of this aspect of my personality 😳

So if the believer's are gullable whats someone who discredits their views without offering any reasonable explanation?

It's not for those of us who don't believe in such things to prove that they don't exist, it's for those that do believe to provide the proof and saying "I don't understand so it must be ghosts/elves/witches/spirits etc" does not constitute proof.

In your case I'd have started off by replacing the dimmer switch with a proper on off one and if it kept happening I'd have gotten an electrician in as there would appear to be something wrong with the electrics.

[i]So if the believer's are gullable whats someone who discredits their views without offering any reasonable explanation?[/i]

It's difficult to offer explanations when the experiences people have are so specific and personal. I would also suggest that believers are not gullible; they just think about these things in a different way; that's not a negative thing, it's just not how I would think.

It's interesting to think that the author responsible for the most popular demonstration of the rational approach; Arthur Conan Doyle and his Sherlock Holmes, was also a believer in spiritualism and the paranormal.

As I said, from where I sit, it's live people who are strange, not dead ones...

other-halves freaking you out on purpose for a joke and not telling you for years because you seemed to be drawn in by it

You've just given me an idea 😆

A friends parents took a picture of the granny's headstone and the image came back with a monkey sitting on the gravesone???

Could be accidental exposure or a supasnaps joke etc.

I don't think it's a ghost but it is interesting!

When I was a nipper my parents had put wallpaper in my room that depicted a farm yard (wtf!)

Anyway, apparently I used to scream the place down convinced that the animals on the wallpaper were coming to life and moving about

😆

My mother had a similar experience to barnselymitch many moons ago after getting dragged along with friends to see [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-shetland-oil-disaster-highland-seer-warned-of-spill-1476766.html ]Sweimn Macdonald[/url].
She was a non believer and probably pretty mortified to be there. He didnt say much, but it was spookily acccurate

Whats the difference between belief in the Paranormal and religeon?
Just a thought. Both require faith and maybe be perceived as nonsense by the non believer.....

I think its all mumbo jumbo to be honest...
que a bolt from the heavens and a anal probe from ALF

Whats the difference between belief in the Paranormal and religeon?
Just a thought. Both require faith and maybe be perceived as nonsense by the non believer.....

I think its all mumbo jumbo to be honest...
que a bolt from the heavens and a anal probe from ALF

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8318326.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8318342.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8318336.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8505314.stm

I don't know whats more scary, the ghost or the nutters seeing them...

LOL@hora below:

My 2 1/2 year old keeps saying he sees a lady in his room.......

Well lets face it, 9 out of 10 STW males will never see a lady in their room.

Oh stop it, your killing me 😆

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A good website for reference
http://badpsychics.co.uk/thefraudfiles/modules/news/

Does no one find my post funny? 😕

Mediums. Reminds me of Clinton Baptiste in Phoenix Nights.

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i once faked a ufo sighting and got in the paper. some people will believe anything.

When he was ~ 2 yrs my eldest son used to talk about Nonny and Poppo.

Nonny was a blue dog, and Poppo was [i]like[/i] a dog but red. And they lived on a train.

I don't think either existed and I wasn't scared.

If Nonny was a boy at the end of a bed though then whoah! I would have legged it!

My uncle picked up his wifes ashes the day before yesterday. Put the urn down on the windowsill by where she used to feed the pheasants from the window and when he went over 10 seconds later to pick it up there were 6 outside down below...odd

Pavlovian response if you ask me. The pheasants have been conditioned, by your late Aunt, to associate someone at the window with food so when your Uncle stood there he attracted the pheasants which were expecting food.

Sorry for your loss by the way.

I thought that too tbh, althogh he didnt actually stand there, just put the urn on the windowsill as he walked past.

Maybe the urn was a lifesize replica 😉

gravitysucks - Member
que a bolt from the heavens and a anal probe from ALF

Steady on, I'm not that sort of guy. 😉

[i]I thought that too tbh, althogh he didnt actually stand there, just put the urn on the windowsill as he walked past. [/i]

While they can't tell the time animal seems to sense of it, my dog knew when it was time to go pick the kids up and when it was feed time. All without me moving, talking or making a gesture.

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Ghost or hedge?

More ghost stuff:

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maybe the ghost of a hedge 🙂 is that the best example of a ghost photo you could find?

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Such ablurry image I can't tell what the hell it supposed to be.

It's a face looking to the opposite wall, if your imagination's good enough 🙂

Or a mammoth or a warthog or a hedge...

See it's what you're mind wants to think or create.

With these ones-bit more iffy:

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I used to like this one as the cloak spills over the steps-good effort or just freaky?

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This could be a reflection of a sheet of plastic?

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torsoinalake - Member
Mediums. Reminds me of Clinton Baptiste in Phoenix Nights.

'I'm only telling you what the spirits are telling me'

Hadn't seen that before, but it's spot on.

So why do ghosts come back with sheets over their heads? Are they all ghosts of KKK members?

Ghosts are not real. If you think you've seen one you just haven't spent enough time investigating what the [b]perfectly rational explanation[/b] is. If your explanation involves pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo then it's [s]almost [/s]certainly [b]wrong[/b].

Now go to bed and stop being so silly.