[Closed] My 2 1/2 year old keeps saying he sees a lady in his room.......

[i] [b] So your friends could not imagine it could be one of the many million possibilities within the realms of reality, so instantly suspect it was an impossible being??

Where did the "instantly" come from ? [/b][/i]

Ok - so remove the 'instantly' and it immediately becomes more acceptable in the eyes of science and possibility....??

Wasn't meant as a nasty comment - plenty of people believe in the wrong things, but it's just when the poster said 'they are rational people' I find it surprising that often, when no immediate possible explanation can be made, it jumps to hocus-pocus as an answer!

The thing is, humans are very egotistical beasts, and if we can't come up with a reasonable explanation, we 'assume' it's the mythical/unreasonable in order to satisfy the 'I know the answer' cortex!
Science does the exact opposite - it states 'we don't know the answer, but there must be one, let's keep looking...'!

In olden days we didn't know what made thunder.
Man wasn't sure, so said it was Thor, the thunder god - all's happy now there's an answer.
Do we still believe that, or has science developed enough to give the REAL answer?

DrP

that pictures is ****ing SCARY!

I've just been reading through this thread, and cant help but notice the similarity in peoples responses to the ones posted whenever religion or 'faith' is mentioned. People have always believed in 'ghosts', with no scientific evidence (as far as I am aware) of their existence. Basically, a lot of people (and I'd include myself here, to a degree) want to believe that there is 'something more' after death, presumably to protect themselves from the inevitabilty of it all. I feel torn, as despite having a keen interest in all things 'paranormal', I am able to see how unbelievably naff the so called 'experts' (Yvette Fielding, Dereck Acorah, etc) come across. I personally despise these people, as I feel they are making a profit from peoples grief, particularly 'mediums' who claim to be able to contact the dead - spare me the details please, I understand only too well how 'cold reading' works. And still, I want to believe that there is something more. To add to the original post, I dropped my five year old off at 'beavers' last week, which is held in the local church hall, and as I was fannying about making sure he had all his stuff with him, he began giggling and pointing towards the adjoining graveyard. When I asked him what was so amusing, he said 'it's that funny grey man hanging in that tree'. Needless to say, we got into the church hall in fairly good time 😕

Sit him down and show him Paranormal Activity.

Then tell him he's not to make contact with the 'demon' under any circumstances.

Confiscate his ouija board.

People have always believed in 'ghosts', with no scientific evidence (as far as I am aware) of their existence

"SOME people have always believed in ghosts."
I'll go out and do a head count shall I? Pedant.

That pic. Shes oriental? Well hellllooooo ghouly 😀

I'll go out and do a head count shall I? Pedant.

And still, I want to believe that there is something more.

That's the point, you WANT to believe. The people who tend not to believe, I'd say in general, don't care if it's true or not but wait for evidence rather than wanting it to be one way or the other.

please, I understand only too well how 'cold reading' works. And still, I want to believe that there is something more. To add to the original post, I dropped my five year old off at 'beavers' last week, which is held in the local church hall, and as I was fannying about making sure he had all his stuff with him, he began giggling and pointing towards the adjoining graveyard. When I asked him what was so amusing, he said 'it's that funny grey man hanging in that tree'.

Kid in made-up-ghost in graveyard shocker.

"just correcting your disingenuous statement." - sorry, didnt realise I was being (disingenuous).
"Kid in made-up-ghost in graveyard shocker." - please dont think for a minute that I was trying to offer this as some kind of 'proof' of anything, I was merely trying to give an example of how easy it is to get freaked out by stuff your kids come out with.
For the record, I'm being extra sensitive (grumpy) due to a stinking cold and the fact that I had a dodgy curry on Saturday night and have been to the bog six times so far this morning - my arse is like a sauce bottle top!

my arse is like a sauce bottle top!

Japanese flag?

Fresh bullet wound?

You non-beleivers. Im going to haunt you- stripped/butt-naked and swing my tassle around late at night whilst singing 'who wants to live forever' at the top of my ghouly-voice.

Hora, will you haunt me please? Sounds awesome. Keep yer pants on though please...

local vicar was happy to sort it.

Course he was.

"Ketchup or HP?" To be brutally honest, I would have to say a mixture 😥

Reminds me of Baddiel&Skinner 'what if you were the invisible man and decided to have a w&nk in a girls bedroom' 😆

I was staying alone in an old country house hotel in Ayr a few years back. I was fast asleep in bed when i felt someone snuggle up behind me and put an arm right over the top of me. I was absolutely unable to move or to call out, but I swear I was awake and not dreaming. After a few moments s/he disappeared; I sat up, looked around and there was no-one else there. It had to be a ghost.

-or-

I was staying alone in an old country house hotel in Ayr a few years back. I was fast asleep in bed when i felt someone snuggle up behind me and put an arm right over the top of me. I was absolutely unable to move or to call out, but I swear I was awake and not dreaming. After a few moments s/he disappeared; I sat up, looked around and there was no-one else there. This was due to the reflex that paralyses us when we sleep to prevent us acting out our dreams not switching off at the same point as i woke from a dream about being cuddled.

You decide?

Did you feel violated when you did wake up? Your answer is there...

😉

actually slightly disappointed it wasn't the cute receptionist bringing up my early morning [s]reach around[/s] newspaper.

this was due to the reflex that paralyses us when we sleep to prevent us acting out our dreams not switching off at the same point as i woke from a dream

I hate it when that happens, as it seems to prevent me fom breathing, which is fairly scary...

the breathing one is slightly different IIRC, someone posted about it on here a while back.

Sleep paralysis can be combined with halucinations, your brain is still dreaming and rationalises the constricted feeling with an object/person.

I woke up once dry humping the air. 😆

I woke up once dry humping the air.

Me too.
I can never go in that pub again.....

My 2 year old regularly wakes up screaming in the night. I don't assume it's a ghostly presence in his room; I assume it's a bad dream.

I feel so foolish now. Bring in Max Von Sydow

I once stayed at a country house hotel. Ran out of bog paper in the night so went to reception to get some more. As I was half asleep I stumbled back upstairs, but turned off a floor too early. I let myself into my room, and had a #2. Jumped into bed and realised it waasn't my then girlfriend but some smelly hairyarsed bloke.
Legged it as quietly as possible up to the second floor before he woke up.

IGMC

I'm a sciencey type person and generally quite a sceptic about most things paranormal. I don't know about ghosts etc but I've seen and heard some strange things that I can't understand. Thats not to say they aren't understandable, just not within my fathom of knowledge! However, I do have a very intense sense of smell (hold on this is going somewhere). The human body is designed to detect hormones (like pheromones when sexy time is on the cards etc)
/ fear from addrenaline etc) Now I'm not suggesting that I have some super skill, but sometimes I get strange feelings just before something weird happens (for example I always feel very relaxed just before some one stops breathing, but I get a surge of addrenaline before someone goes into a cardiac arrest rythym. I can also tell all sorts of symptoms from slight whiffs of smells (most paramedics can do this though.) Personaly I put this down to me using parts of my brain that through evoloution we have left underdeveloped, I wonder if it is any coincidence that my brain works very fast, but has no scope for maths? (think autistic kids with amazing arts abilities or mathmatical skills?)

whew, kinda went off on a tangent there! to come to some kind of conclusion, kids cognitive development is a weird thing. Society tells them which parts of the brain they are supposed to use and which aren't required, but at a young age perhaps they use bits that we don't understand? If anyone is going to be able to "sense" things its going to be kids who's brains are still developing?

but... When you are around the newly dead weird things can happen, animals can behave very strangely. I've been in some very creepy houses where you just feel uncomfortable only to find out bad things have happened in the rooms you were in. My old house was 350 years old and backed onto a churchyard. Weird noises with no obvious source would wake several members of my family, but noises would stop if you asked nicely? the previous owner of the house i was born in hung himself, and my mum was adamant that at night she would here a bang then the bannister creek?

its scary out there peeps!

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IdleJon - Member
The problem though is that there isn't a rational explanation for everything in the world

Yes there is, it's just that we haven't worked some of them out yet.

How very egotistical of you! Do you think that humans will eventually be able to explain everything then? We don't even know how gravity works properly yet.

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Then as soon as Im Dad walked back in- it would stop immediately. you knew as soon as he walked in. Same when he walked back out.

Your dad's extra weight on the floor joists was enough to alter that part of the building's dynamics that the creakings went away. You could probably have achieved the same effect with a large sack of cement.

So why would it only happen to his Dad then? If a large weight of any sort would work, then the same thing would happen when [i]anybody[/i] walked into the house.

If you are going to be a sceptic, put some thought into it!

Poltergeists making me do a double post - where's my crucifix?

[i]When you are around the newly dead weird things can happen[/i]

Do give over.

My unit sees about 80 to 100 deaths a year.

I've been there for over 10 years.

That's about a thousand 'newly dead' people.

Paranormal activity? None.

Weird things? None.

Dead people are just dead. Not scary, not weird, not paranormal, not speaking from beyond the grave, just dead.

[i]its scary out there peeps![/i] No, it's not.

The gf used to "see" a fair number of things, as does her mum on the odd occassion. Plus we now live in a very old house with lots of history, hence we have some unusual goings-on. And the cat definitely sees the odd visitation of sorts, e.g. one night a couple of weeks ago, he very visibly appeared to watch something/someone come in through the (closed/locked) front door, into the hall and then disappear into the kitchen.

I'm not bothered by whether or not it's rational or scientific or whatever - it if happens and it's harmless then so be it. On the other hand, I know people (that I trust implicably) that have experienced some horrible stuff - that's not so good.

Sorry Mehaja have to agree with Crikey, lost count of the number of death I've been to but can count on no hands how many weird things have happened.

Oh now poltergeists took my reply away.

My eldest used to call his nursery "White Lady Nursery" cos of the ubiquitious ghostly lady. She'd lived there years before when it was a farm. All the kids had seen it at one point & none were upset by it. Used to freak out the staff. We had an old caravan that had an old ladies ghost in it, used to float through as a light orb thing & could be heard shsh'ing the baby when he was unsettled. She was sat in there one night when I went in to get something. Didnt scare us, never felt bad just knew you werent alone.
Them illuminated globes make good nightlights.

I think crikey and Drac are dead and just trying to put people off the scent as they know the STW crew are onto them 😯

To all the sceptics:

Do you think we (scientists) know everything?

Do you think, within physics, chemistry and biology, there is nothing left to learn?!
500 billion galaxies, each with a billion stars and we're still learning about our star!

Replace 'paranormal' with 'un-learnt science' and be a little open minded.

Read up on proper research into these subjects. For instance, there's been amazing research
into pre-cognative abilities. Positive results.

I think we're just scratching the surface.

I'd save a fortune on razors and haircuts if I was...

We have a strange attitude to death in this country, and seem to revel in attempts to make it mysterious and spooooooooky. It's really not; people die all the time, and they aren't scary or possessed or supernatural, they're just dead. All the cobblers that gets attributed to dead people is done so by live ones; they're the weird folk....

[i]I think we're just scratching the surface.[/i]

Scratch away; they don't get any deader, and you won't find anything, although as above, you may save on nail-files.

[i]Read up on proper research into these subjects. For instance, there's been amazing research
into pre-cognative abilities. [b]Positive results.[/b][/i]

Does James Randi know about this, only there's a million dollar prize you know..

well, it was in New Scientist: Images were flashed up on a screen; pleasant and horrific - brain patterns were identified. After a while the correct 'response' happened slightly BEFORE the image popped up.

I don't see this as hocus pocus 'paranormal' - I see this as a fascinating glimpse of the (possible) non linearity of time. A persistent illusion as Einstein said.

And yes - we do need to keep scratching. Multiple/parallel dimensions are, for instance, serious subjects.

... and notice how no-one has answered the 'Do you think we know everything' question!

and notice how no-one has answered the 'Do you think we know everything' question!

[i]... and notice how no-one has answered the 'Do you think we know everything' question! [/i]

I'll answer it; no, I don't think we know everything. Happy?

See, I come from a generation who didn't even have a telephone in the house until I was 14, so I have seen so many advances in science and technology over my lifetime that I believe our knowledge of the universe will continue to expand.

That being said, I have also grown up with a sceptical attitude towards bollocks, hence my lack of appreciation for homeopathy, paranormal nonsense and so on.

Essentially, I demand real time, scientifically rigourous proof before believing in nonsense.

Your mileage may vary.

[i]and notice how no-one has answered the 'Do you think we know everything' question! [/i]

Well of course we don't. Parallel universes may exist they may not but ghosts don't.

I have spoken to a number of relaible mature adults of all which have actually reguarly seen ghosts in old houses and buildings at some point.
My aunt used to work in a haunted building and it was common knowedge with security that ghosts existed. She got really scared by the constant noises and strange behaviour and left.All the evening staffused to pair up for walks around the building.

[i]I have spoken to a number of relaible mature adults of all which have actually reguarly seen ghosts in old houses and buildings at some point.
My aunt used to work in a haunted building and it was common knowedge with security that ghosts existed. See got really scared by the constant noises and strange behaviour and left.[/i]

So no real evidence at all then?

Next...

[i]well, it was in New Scientist:[/i]
Any idea when?
Google hasn't provided anything yet for me.