[Closed] My 11yo daughters are size 14 and my son is 20 stone - what am I doing wrong?

[i]People really are trying to say fat people are stupid. [/i]

I expect only obese people are saying this, tbh, it's stupid 😉

fwiw, one of the largest men I've ever seen (proper belly hanging over knee caps when sat down job) was the cardiologist my wife saw when she had an arythmic hearbeat. He seemed quite bright.

FWIW I work with degree-educated people and many of them are overweight. As am I.
And I know a few people way smarter than me (including medical consultants) that are overweight or obese.

Maybe not stupidity, but there has to be at least a level of ignorance in terms of what they are shoving in their mouths.

including medical consultants

This is what I can't understand, some of them are self-destructive. Its almost as though its programmedinto the human condition to have vice's.

[i]Solo - Member

And, yes, people should take personal responsibilty for their diet.[/i]

[i]Jamie - Member

Maybe not stupidity, but [b]there has to be at least a level of ignorance[/b] in terms of what they are shoving in their mouths. [/i]
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[i][b]Obesity experts[/b] say [u]parents are struggling[/u] with a multitude of problems when it comes to their child's weight. They range from a [b]lack of education about food, limited cooking skills and limited money to buy healthier food[/b] to longer working hours [b][u]and marketing campaigns for junk food aimed at kids.[/u][/b]

[u]But the more sedentary lives children now lead is also creating huge problems[/u]. Last week a study suggested that up to [b]75% of junior school children preferred to stay at home[/b] than go to their nearby park.

Watching TV was one of the most popular activities, with [b]89% saying it was how they liked best to spend their time away from school[/b], according to researchers Lightspeed. In July, scientists from University of Montreal claimed every extra hour of television that a toddler watches each week adds to their waist size by the time they turn 10.

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Out of interest, then, why do YOU think you are fat? Are you happy about it? Would you rather not be?

My calories out have been less than my calories in.

I've always been "stocky" though. Rugby player rather than swimmer physique 🙂
Recently my weight was creeping up till I got dangerously close to breaking 100kg. I wasn't happy about that so started doing something about it. I'm now 91.7kg from increasing calories out and decreasing calories in - still overweight though.

Maybe not stupidity, but there has to be at least a level of ignorance in terms of what they are shoving in their mouths.

Nope not even that. My consultant friend loves to cook and makes everything from scratch. She is way better informed about nutrition than most people. She just likes nice food and wine.

I imagine most overweightness came about over parents increasing worry- we have media EVERYWHERE now telling us about risk. Then theres the presses focus on grouping similar stories together to make it seem like its the only issue in the world at that moment..

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Well. I guess I should be grateful it's a fraction less nonsensical than your usual replies.

Nope not even that. My consultant friend loves to cook and makes everything from scratch. She is way better informed about nutrition than most people. She just likes nice food and wine.

So she is willingly taking being overweight, as collateral damage for a fine eating and drinking experience?

Its very simple really peaple feed theire kids shit from a young age because they were fed shit from a young age...why would kids eat a proper meal when there used to eating complex processed cack....if you give them a choice between a proper meal and some crisps and a bar of chocolate with fizzy drinks..of course there going to eat the rubbish simples! thats why there fat..it winds me up when peaple go on about trying to loose weight etc etc Eat less and move more it really is that easy..:)

[i]Well. I guess I should be grateful it's a fraction less nonsensical than your usual replies[/i]

[i]Nope not even that. My consultant friend loves to cook and makes everything from scratch. She is way better informed about nutrition than most people. She just likes nice food and wine. [/i]

Err, looks like you're cornering the market.
LMAO @ S/G #2

So she is willingly taking being overweight, as collateral damage for a fine eating and drinking experience?

Plenty of people seem to do this no? It's not unusual...

Plenty of people seem to do this no? It's not unusual...

True. I guess I just struggle to see into that particular mindset.

Well, I don't think that people actively think "I'm fat, but hey, I eat well, drink much fine wines, and consume only the best puddings", but on a sub-conscious level, there's a lack of willingness to do anything about it.

Could there be a thought process that goes, 'well, I am already overweight, a bit of cake won't hurt'...so the whole thing becomes self perpetuating?

Could there be a thought process that goes, 'well, I am already overweight, a bit of cake won't hurt'...so the whole thing becomes self perpetuating?

Interesting one...

I have a friend (no, really) who I watched go from quite overweight, to morbidly obese...we're talking around 6'0" and well over 20 stone. He was a prop forward before it all, so quite a big lad anyway. Always on the beers with the rugby team, eating the way that you do in your teens and twenties. Then bang, car crash, ankle that had to be pieced back together with a lot of metal and no more rugby. The beers and eating continued and the weight piled on. I think that with his frame, it was easy to stick a few stone on there without noticing too much. There obviously came a turning point when he thought, "ah **** it, I look like shit now, what's the harm in a few more cakes..."

This is the point I reckon it would be most interesting to identify with overweight people.

Everytime I see a morbidly obese person, I think the same thing to myself: "At what point did you look in the mirror and just stop caring?"

[i]but on a sub-conscious level, there's a lack of willingness to do anything about it. [/i]

Interested in the subconscious activity that influences people's behaviour. Hormones influence our state of mind and if those systems are out of whack, then peoples thoughts and choices/decisions will also be effected. Hence the leptin thing stimulating hunger or not, in relation to BF. Don't know about anyone else, but I don't consciously [i]think[/i] myself hungry. It just happens.

Fat people are thick then are they? Well after my huge pig out in the pub last night - mahoosive burger and chips (there was a side-salad - but we ignored each other), and a few pints, I thought I'd balance it out by the 15 mile commute in this morning, and the same home

According to my Runkeeper app, I've burned 639 calories on the way in, but... BUT... I'm absolutely bloody soaked. Seriously dripping! Like I've been hosed down, then thrown into a swimming pool.

So who's the daft **** then? Me? Or the biffer sat ramming pasties into their mouth, maybe having the first White Lightning of the day, sat on the sofa watching Jeremy Kyle? Eh? [b]EH?!!![/b]

I'll probably have bloody pneumonia by lunchtime. And even if I don't, I'll have to put all my sopping wet gear back on for the ride home. Pfft! I need a pie to make me feel better! Its soooooooo not fair 🙁

[i] "At what point did you look in the mirror and just stop caring?" [/i]

It should probably more be a case of;

"At what point did you look in the mirror and feel so overwhelmed by the problem that it was easier to ignore it than try and address it?"

[i]This is the point I reckon it would be most interesting to identify with overweight people.

Everytime I see a morbidly obese person, I think the same thing to myself: "At what point did you look in the mirror and just stop caring?" [/i]

I have a similar story. I know a guy, use to be champ for his area, oop north, etc, etc. He's less than 6' but around 25 stone. He knows about calories in and out, etc, from his training. But everytime he ques to pay for petrol, he'll pick up something from the shelves that lead to the till. And drive thru's make it just too easy for him.
He's a nice guy, great company and I find it tragic to see him eating himself to an early death.

"At what point did you look in the mirror and feel so overwhelmed by the problem that it was easier to ignore it than try and address it?"

Indeed, that's a better way of putting what I meant.

According to my Runkeeper app

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Its hard to believe that so many 11 year olds are obese. My son is 11, 145 cm tall and 34kg. He is skinny. His little brother is 9, nearly the same height, but about 1kg heavier. His little brother is less skinny, and eats more. I try and cook healthy food (never just re heat), but they are allowed a treat after school. My oldest is just less "bothered" about food. It will be easier for him to stay slim later in life.

Don't mock me Bravisimo

*bursts into tears*

*bursts into tears*

Here, have a fag binbins xx

"At what point did you look in the mirror and feel so overwhelmed by the problem that it was easier to ignore it than try and address it?"

There must be a split, no? Surely some bods do genuinely not give a shit they are packing it on, as well as those who stick their head in the [s]trifle[/s] sand in relation to the problem as, like you say, that is easier than addressing the underlying issues.

According to my Runkeeper app, I've burned 639 calories on the way in..

Seems veeeeery optimistic.

Binners.

You, you.... RUN to work ?... 😯

And no, I don't believe that fat people are [i]thick, or stupid[/i] but even if you found someone who wasn't fully up to speed. I'd like to think that they could learn how to eat, [i]sensibly[/i].

[i]At what point did you look in the mirror and feel so overwhelmed by the problem that it was easier to ignore it than try and address it?" [/i]

I'd suggest that someone is only going to feel overwhelmed if they don't know how to sort it. But that raises another facet to all this. People are, to one extent or another, at the mercy of their bodies and the biology going on there. But they may hold aspirations to look a certain way, have a certain style of physique.

Resignation
Denial
Anger
Depression

All factors.

And this:

Hormones influence our state of mind

Here, have a fag binbins xx

I can't. I've packed in. Which doesn't help my pie hankering 🙁

You, you.... RUN to work ?..

Nope. I ride. The app does that bicycling thing too. I'm not getting into all that Strava nonsense.

Seems veeeeery optimistic.

We have proper hills around here, remember. 1200ft of climbing over 15 miles.

Anyway... this is all beside the point. Are you not going to ask me how my burger was? 😆

[i]Are you not going to ask me how my burger was?[/i]

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[i]Strava nonsense[/i]

What is [i]Strava[/i] ?.

you run 15 miles to work 😯

has your bike been nicked?

There must be a split, no? Surely some bods do genuinely not give a shit they are packing it on, as well as those who stick their head in the trifle sand in relation to the problem as, like you say, that is easier than addressing the underlying issues.

My best friend doesn't really care that much. In the 15 years I've known him he's never been thin and when he moved out from his parents to move to London he really put on weight. That said he was eating ready-meals for two on his own and eating dessert too. I had a couple of attempts at telling him to watch what he was eating (I also put on weight but started out quite skinny) as it was going to do him harm. The first time he listened and said he'd try then the second time the admitted he just didn't care enough. He's very bright, knows what it's doing to him and although I know he's trying now he has kids and wants to be there for them in later life, he's not doing loads to cut down his weight, he's just losing a little by eating a bit better.

Sometimes people just don't really care enough to change their eating habits.

Right! I've just downloaded Strava. This is peer pressure, this. I feel I'm being over-bantered 🙁

I hope you're all bloody happy if I have a massive (soggy) coronary on the way home 😈

massive (soggy) coronary

Sounds delicious!

[i]a massive (soggy) coronary on the way home[/i]

Do you want fries with that ?.

Nope not even that. My consultant friend loves to cook and makes everything from scratch. She is way better informed about nutrition than most people. She just likes nice food and wine.

According to my Runkeeper app, I've burned 639 calories on the way in

You've quit Binners? Well done, keep it up

[i]but they aren't all extra calories when you take your BMR into account. [/i]

I think you are spot on there and I reckon a lot of people might make the mistake of forgetting that burried within that figure of 639/whatever the readout displays, is the cals your body burns doing other stuff while you're commuting. Cals that would have been consumed anyway.

I think apps like this (and readouts on machines in gyms, etc) can be extremely misleading. Yes, you may be burning that many calories (although you probably aren't) but they aren't all extra calories when you take your BMR into account.

Not really the point. The point is that I've ridden 15 miles, climbing 1200ft, instead of driving to Greggs for a sausage butty 😉

Not really the point. The point is that I've ridden 15 miles, climbing 1200ft, instead of driving to Greggs for a sausage butty

Dr P - Member
Currently working in "2 beemer country" (Horsham) and haven't seen as many obese people by a long shot....

Woody - Member
There is definitely and obvious connection between poverty and obesity,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and then there is Aberdeen

Supermarkets have got a lot to answer for.

"Buy one cake get another free" or this weeks special offer "3 stodgy items for the price of two".

You never see these sort of offers on anything which is remotely healthy.

When was the last time you saw 5 pieces of fruit for the price of 3 or 50% extra off the price of vegetables?

Yes there's a responsibility on the part of the parents, however families on low incomes will always be drawn towards the Supermarket "special offers", it's how people on low incomes are able to afford to eat!

Supermarkets are nothing more than drugs(sugar)pushers trying to maximimise profit as that's where the money is made.

[i]it's how people on low incomes are able to afford to eat![/i]

And are prices manipulated ?, are certain foods subsidized ?.

Remember what Nixon did for Corn ?...

it's how people on low incomes are able to afford to eat!

I will admit, of late, I've no idea how much a ready made pizza costs, nor how much burgers are, etc. I'm lucky enough no to have to pay any attention to the numbers on the shelf label. I just grab the veg and meat I like.

zilog6128 - Member
it's how people on low incomes are able to afford to eat!

Bollocks. That same excuse trotted out again. ASDA chicken wings: £1.69/kg. ASDA frozen peas: £1/kg. Show me any cakes or other nutrient-free items that are as cheap as that by weight please (offers included).

Whats weight got to do with it?

When was the last time you saw 5 pieces of fruit for the price of 3 or 50% extra off the price of vegetables?

Whats weight got to do with it?

Sorry, was busy cycling to work. 😀

721kcals according to Endomondo, 628kcals according to MyFitnessPal, 450kcals according to me guessing what seems reasonable 😀

Seems veeeeery optimistic.

Without useful inputs like heartrate and VO2 these apps can only ever [i]guess[/i] calories burnt based on very rough equations involving time/distance and your weight. Better than nothing, but IME they do overestimate by quite a bit.

..they aren't all extra calories when you take your BMR into account.

Hmmm.. not sure about that. The whole point of MyFitnessPal is to calculate your BMR, set a calorie goal under it, but allow exercise calories to be eaten.

My BMR is 1912kcal a day, so that averages as 79.6kcal an hour, so it isn't a large part of the calories these apps report. And I think MFP takes it off anyway, presumably why the MFP estimate is lower than the Endomondo one, even though they use the same formula:

Keytel LR, et al, [b]"Prediction of energy expenditure from heart rate monitoring during submaximal exercise"[/b], [i]J Sports Sci. 2005 Mar;23(3):289-97.[/i] [url= http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15966347 ]PubMed PMID: 15966347[/url]

+ figures from: http://sites.google.com/site/compendiumofphysicalactivities

So she is willingly taking being overweight, as collateral damage for a fine eating and drinking experience?

Mmmm.. partly, though she doesn't [i]like[/i] being overweight. In fact she hates it. She's done various zero-carb diets and has used the Couch to 5k running programme to get to the point where she regularly goes out for 3 or 4 mile runs. But she struggles with depression and self-confidence issues, often leading her to the comfort of fine food or wine.

Vicious cycle. 🙁