brainwashed with a warped interpretation of islam.
they did not do it in the name of islam.
I hear this alot about a lot of things that Islam does.
Seems to me that this is the main problem with religions of all types, people mould what the magic book says to happily coincide with all the stuff they believe, like hating gays, shitting on women and generally being arseholes.
Media blow minor grumble into muslims causing trouble again shocker.
TBH, the whole religious book debacle could have been circumvented if the commandments (ten or otherwise) were simplified to "don't be a dick"
Were the musicians offended by John Barrowman?
He has a solid background in musical theatre, so whatever you think about the man - there's no denying he can carry a tune.
Hora's expectation....
he would be upset at the way they parked in his street though when they visited so you they just cannot win
The problem is he who shouts the most gets noticed the most.
It's either an impressively loud shouty voice from a minor Malaysian political party, or the editors of the Telegraph (and the OP) have some sort of agenda that suits a narrative of "Muslims are always complaining". I'm not sure which.
... Gays !?!John Barrowman kissed the guy
Gays AND Dogs
Woofters !!
Woofters everywhere !!!
This opening ceremony sound like a bad Miley Cyrus video
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Seems to me that this is the main problem with religions of all types, people mould what the magic book says to happily coincide with all the stuff they believe, like hating gays, shitting on women and generally being arseholes.
true...you get this from pretty much every religion...not just Islam
What, all 1.57 billion of them? Way to tar a quarter of the world's population with the same brush.
Lets see from the stabber-seperatists in China, which way would you like to go next? Chechnya, the mess there and those who blow up bombs on Moscow underground, India - Christians killed, onto Africa young girls kidnapped and forceably converted?
At least free Syrian Army and ISIS are fighting ARMED men I guess not unarmed civilians. 😉
At least the fair-minded British never once butchered people who couldn't fight back eh?
[i]ISIS are fighting ARMED men [/i]
they stoned two women to death last week.
they have slaughtered hundreds of prisoners and forced any Christian they meet to convert to Islam.
other than that I expect they're following all the Geneva Conventions with regard to armed conflict.
you think that there wasnt a massive show of british muslims publicly condemning/demonstrating at the horror of 7/7
Null point - they had no choice.
Guardian yesterday, Torygraoh today. Will the thread end the same way?
Each way on - yes page 5
hora - MemberLets see from the stabber-seperatists in China, which way would you like to go next? Chechnya, the mess there and those who blow up bombs on Moscow underground, India - Christians killed, onto Africa young girls kidnapped and forceably converted?
You're right, that [i]is[/i] all 1.57 billion.
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Who is this offending?
The Scots obviously - they called the dog Jock.
The typeface nazis.
Religionist gets offended by something irrelevant due to barmy belief system.
Waa waa waa waa...
Chechnya, the mess there and those who blow up bombs on Moscow underground
Sorry - "the mess" in Chechnya is the result of a squalid and entirely secular attempt by a bunch of yokels to seize control over unearned oil wealth. They were left to be slaughtered by the federal government and its gangster proxy militias, at which point the Islamists arrived in moderately significant numbers, having previously been a sideshow. You also fail to mention the Moscow apartment building bombings orchestrated by the federal government - I can't imagine why.
I do think that currently Islam is more prone to violent political interpretations that other religions. After all this was a religion that was initially spread via colonial expansion.
However, I have a lot of Iraqi, Kurdish, Syria and Iranian friends who are either moderates or all out unbelievers. I will go into more detail about this in another post later tonight but most of them seem more sympathetic to the west than their western brothers. For example, the Iraqis don't blame the Americans for the current mess in Iraq but pin the blame squarely on Saudi Arabia. Isis are seen as foreigners.
What I find interesting is that I've had plenty of foreign Muslim friends and no British Muslim friends, not one and the times I have talked to them it has seemed that their opinions about the middle east are widely different to their brothers actually living there.
Can't be bothered to read the whole thread as I'm sure its full of the usual Daily Fail rants and Guardianista counter-attacks.
I'll just stick to the semantics;
'Muslims offended again'
'Christians offended again'
'Motorists offended again'
'World revolves on its axis again'
'It's raining in England again'
'I failed to win the lottery again'
'Dog curls out a turd in park again'
Continue ad nauseam..........
Who is this offending?
Me - is that person seriously wearing black shoes with that suit? It's an outrage.
Null point - they had no choice.
you mean like the jewish community in the wake of what's going on in Gaza? but oh, hang on they havent openly condemned it have they? instead they've tried to justify the killing of women and children by claiming its their right to defend themselves...but thats a topic for another thread on here..but hopefully you get my drift
it was condemned because it was wrong and went against the teachings of Islam...what else did you expect the british muslim community to say? well done?!
If our troops serve big business or the political classes (which I do not believe they do, although they may have done in part for example protecting oil supplies) it's your demands and needs they are ultimately fulfilling, your need to be on the web, using energy produced in a power station, to drive a car etc etc. You can be a lilly white, tree hugging, swamp lover but your still one of us and they fight and die so indirectly you can make a crappy comment about how stupid they are to do it on a mountain bike forum.
Our military are merely an extension of economic policy. "Protecting our interests" as they say. As for our demands, who created those? The very organisations that want to sell the stuff to us, who are virtually part of Governments who in turn send in the military to "protect our interests".
Our addictions are causing this.
We have history, but we don't learn the right lessons from it. We used to have kings leading us into battle, with his knights, barons, and finally the foot soldier at the bottom, War won and who benefited? The king, the knights and barons who got a share of the spoils, and the soldiers, whoever lived, went home and nothing changed for them.
Today, we have political leaders sending us into battle, the soldiers who win it, and the corporations who get the spoils. All we get told to do is to consume as this is your only use.
So in short, yes our military are in service big business and the political classes, as much as us civilians as consumers are.
I will go into more detail about this in another post later tonight
Suspenseful!
All we get told to do is to consume as this is your only use
The meaning of life right there.
Live quietly, and buy stuff.
Be careful of the Muslamic ray guns people.
I think we should give each team member their own dog to walk as part of the closing ceremony, and a shit bag that they purposely don't use.
Crazy religious loons and headline hunting politicians are highly entertaining and every opportunity to offend them should be utilised, starting with Keith Vaz the mango crusader.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jul/26/polls.july7
Doesn't really support Horas assertion. Are there any newer polls? The problem with shooty violent people who want to die for a cause is that they usually punch far above their own weight. The actions of a select few nutters screaming at the top of their voices can often seem to many, to be the voice of a whole race. Unfortunately it's not only Christians who end up thinking that but impressionable young Muslims as well.
Ah, the old religion augment!
They tell you "There's no stronger force to bring people together than religion." but they should say "There's no stronger force to drive a wedge between two groups of people, and cause a war, than religion!"
They should ban the lot....
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Keith Vaz the mango crusader.
I hope that's not intentional, but you should read up on the history of the Mango Crusades because it could be considered very offensive to call someone that!
Would we all be speak German
well, Germany lost the war, and I don't think they all speak English, so there's your answer.
as an asisde, would speaking german be such a terrible thing, it's just a way of communicating with one another isn't it? and you could fluently order Bratwurst in [s]Germany[/s] The Motherland on your holidays. Double WIN.
Organised religion is dog sh*t, it has no place in today's society, just teach people not to be c**ts to each other....parents should be doing this, teachers should be reinforcing it at school....there is no need for 'religious leaders' having to teach this but with their own agendas and biases thrown in for good measure.
well, Germany lost the war, and I don't think they all speak English, so there's your answer.
We weren't the aggressive, conquering and domineering far superior Ayran race who was looking to rule the earth for a thousand years. We were the blokes (and ladies) with our backs to the wall for 6years. We were war weary and just wanted it over so we could de-mob?
Thankfully for Germany and Japan both the UK and US wanted to build a better place for them (to stop the red threat of Junky) 😉
Doesn't really support Horas assertion. Are there any newer polls? The problem with shooty violent people who want to die for a cause is that they usually punch far above their own weight. The actions of a select few nutters screaming at the top of their voices can often seem to many, to be the voice of a whole race. Unfortunately it's not only Christians who end up thinking that but impressionable young Muslims as well
It's not a few nutters it is millions of people. 1.5 billion muslims X 5% nutters = Lots of nutters. Nutters who are in contact via the web and share a common ethos wherever they are living and no, they don't want to die for a cause they want someone else do die. The Saudi State for example is a scary islamic nightmare place where 13 century ethics sit alongside 21st century arms.
The rise of global Islam is a proper, real and serious problem as even moderate islam endorses the basic tennets of the radicals and that embiggens (I know) their ambitions.
The meaning of life right there.Live quietly,[b] and buy stuff.[/b]
Which is really rather ironic
As all religions will teach against this
But carry on boys ... the path of enlightenment is N+1 Bike/stereo/TV/whatever
You're right in a way jools and there is a lot of variation in the support for terrorism.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2006/05/23/where-terrorism-finds-support-in-the-muslim-world/
I will go into more detail about this in another post later tonight
A thread on this subject, and you think it will still be available to post on by tonight? You're optimistic..
The Saudi State for example is a scary islamic nightmare place where 13 century ethics sit alongside 21st century arms.
What worries me is destroying ancient sites, places of architectural and historic Islamic interest (in Syria, Iraq etc etc). In with this is Saudi sponsoring new versions ('updates') of the Koran inserting text and changing meaning. Wahhabists espouse destroying history. If you have no history and/or its been rewritten what does the future start to hold?
Citations required? Heres one link. Easy to find more. In one notable example it states enemies: 'Israel'.
http://www.islamicpluralism.org/1091/rewriting-quran
The rise of global Islam is a proper, real and serious problem
Of course it is we have defeated communism so we are desperately in need of a new bogeyman to continue the status quo of us attacking others whilst portraying them as a threat. though not Saudi, who are the start of the most radical form of Islam, because they do the west bidding so we turn a blind eye to the ones we can control [ whatever their human rights record.
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is Saudi sponsoring new versions ('updates') of the Koran inserting text and changing meaning.
Hora please use google before asking stuff
Once you have you will realise the whabbi take a very strict and ancient[ medieval] view of it an oppose updates , ie the opposite of what you said.
1.5 billion muslims X 5% nutters
can you provide a link to that 'fact' please.
otherwise I'm going to ignore your assertion that 75 Million Muslims are terrorists.
5 percent in the UK think attacks against civilians justified, or something.
I hope that's not intentional, but you should read up on the history of the Mango Crusades because it could be considered very offensive to call someone that!
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Vaz-seeks-end-mango-ban/story-21169207-detail/story.html
As for the incidents you speak of, 'Mango Crusades' is hardly a widely used description.
5 percent in the UK think attacks against civilians justified, or something.
Whereas in Israel a reported 97% of the population think that attacks against civilians is justified. Yay religion!
