[Closed] "Muslim" terrorists attack French magazine in Paris

Its pretty handy that when we, our our "friends" do it is ok and justifiable but when those "pariah" states do the same thing its terrorism
I am sure this type of thinking/arguing/acting in no way fuels contempt or hatred for the west.

We have principles [ hypocrisy and expediency apparently].

Islam has a problem with extremism but lets not pretend we dont do certain things that makes it easer for their recruitment drive.

I think it's us in the West that write those rules.

Its pretty handy that when we, our our "friends" do it is ok and justifiable but when those "pariah" states do the same thing its terrorism

Geneva convention is far from just a western agreement, the vast majority of Middle Eastern countries are signed up to it.

@ digga

A ha. Deportation of foreign citizens as a punishment.

Seems like a good idea, especially as they apparently don't want to live with "filthy beasts" like us, so winwin then.

so digga norway has a muslim problem but has only ever had a right wing terrorist attack on their soil

First link show Nigerians are the biggest deportees and they are not Muslimms

Second link [ after many clikcs in] eventually shows one person

Norwegian security authorities confirm that two Norwegians have commanding positions in the terrorist organisation Islamic State (IS).

One of the Norwegians is Bastian Vasquez from Skien, a municipality in Telemark County. Vasquez appeared in an IS propaganda video earlier this year. The other one is a Norwegian of African descent who lived in Bærum just outside of Oslo, before he traveled to Syria in December 2012.

The Muslim Issue consists of a group of international (many non-English speaking) human rights volunteers who aim to educate the world of the realities of Islam. Islam is a dangerous and totalitarian fascist ideology and a greater threat to the West than Nazism. The extreme violence that is common norm and thread in Muslim culture is now freely allowed to immigrate all across the world, putting everyone’s life and future into danger.

They did not bother to break the numbers down nor show their working nor the crimes

Ninfan it is possible, though not credible and sophist, to argue that illegal enemy combatants and the "collateral damage" of killing folk on foreign soil is perfectly fine and all legal and nice but what they do is wrong.
Neither is morally justifiable and it requires western lawyers twisting and turning like your arguments to "justify " it

If Iran did this we would not consider it legal nor the actions of a member of the international community.

I am sure you can try but I have done scribbling with you.

We're tying ourselves up in ridiculous knots by even debating.

Have a look at this:

I think in the case of France, the deportation idea could be an at least partial solution, especially if the situation escalates.

Why do we have jihadism in Western Europe? Why is there little or negligible jihadism in, say Eastern Europe or,

So places Russia, China and the Philippines don't have issues with Muslim terrorism? It's just western Europe and the USA?

Political Islam is the cause, wherever you have a sizable Muslim minority (Mindanao is still a Muslim minority accounting for 20 percent of the population), one seems to find terrorism and separatism. They are never happy living in a country run by another religious group and given the chance they always seem to resort to separatism.

Tom_W1987 - Member
So places Russia, China and the Philippines don't have issues with Muslim terrorism? It's just western Europe and the USA?

To get an idea of the scale of the extremist delusion, you need to understand the mindset; of those who want Sharia watch here from 40 seconds "democracy and freedom are no good":

Quick lets change the subject as my links dont prove what i said they did

FTFY

the only person being tied in knots is you

Not sure what the point of that is the research yesterday showed that 97% opposed the Danish cartoons.
It is offensive to Muslims. We can discuss whether it is ok to offend them or not but it seems pointless debating whether Muslims find ANY DRAWING of the prophet offensive
It does not even matter what the cartoon is it is drawing his image that is wrong in their eyes.
you may as well ask if they believe in the prophet or if Catholics believe in the Pope

Not seeign what the point of that link was beyond distraction

Junkyard - lazarus
Quick lets change the subject as my links dont prove what i said they did

Yes, I think someone needs to read up on Chechnya and the Russians for just one example.

What, the Russians did what we in the west have been doing all this time, and have received the same consequences as the West has.

If you go looking for trouble...

I think in the case of France, the deportation idea could be an at least partial solution, especially if the situation escalates.

Meanwhile, I think the deperados may be on their way back inro Paris for a last stand.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30721677

That's what I say when i realise I cannot defend my own views and were you not lecturing us about ad hom attacks.
#pigeonchess

Still dont let any of this make you reflect on your views.

@ slowoldman

Well, in this case, I understand that the suspects are from Algeria?

What, the Russians did what we in the west have been doing all this time, and have received the same consequences as the West has.
If you go looking for trouble..

The Philippines certainly never went looking for trouble, Mindanao is rightfully theirs even if they capitulated and gave them an autonomous region.

@Mr Woppit I read "Algerian-origin French citizens resident in Paris".

Has the chewkw character been written out of this thread already ? I was quite enjoying him, reminds me of that guy who use to post on here who thought the Royal Mail were evil agents of the Lizard King, if he had been playing LOTS of World of Warcraft.

Hopefully he will come up with some more ridiculous nonsense to entertain us, before the inevitable dropping out of character and quoting directly from the BNP manifesto.

(with apologies for making light of a sad subject, but you really can't take people like that seriously, it just gives them validation)

First link show Nigerians are the biggest deportees and they are not Muslimms

JY you really are the typical gobby sixth former.

where would they deport French citizens to?

Other departments of France that have no land borders with the rest of France?

Good luck plotting a terrorist attack on the west from Guadeloupe!

(Ps. I'm sure that some of Britains more vocal problem carachters would enjoy their new lives on isolated islets off of West Falkland too!)

So are people really saying that the west deserves this kind of thing then? Because of a few [i]cartoons[/i]?
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Hmm 'disappearing'. Yeah that worked in Chile, Indonesia, Romania, East Germany... Of course using 'our boys' in 'The Regiment' as a means of removing these undesirables is completely different to the nasty secret police used in those cases.

As said, where do you deport your own citizens to? Stupid statement further reinforcing the ignorant belief that immigrunts isn't us.

As said before, maybe if we addressed the issues that lead to a disaffected youth searching for an outlet that makes them [i]feel[/i] empowered then they might not be so prevalent. Give them a suitable outlet, enfranchise them but not at the exclusion of others in the same position. Perhaps if we had a more socially inclusive society we wouldn't be in such a mess (by that I mean the ever increasing social exclusion the bottom of our society is facing).

Banning religions and whatever has never and will never work. You can ban a practice but an idea will always endure. If that's the kind of society we ended up in then frankly it's not one I would want to be a part of. The step from there to another [i]Kristallnacht[/i] when the first measure inevitably provide a recruiting platform isn't that great IMO

The Philippines certainly never went looking for trouble, Mindanao is rightfully theirs even if they capitulated and gave them an autonomous region.

I think you need to read up on your history, It has striking similarities to the West, Russia, and the UK in Ireland.

Has the chewkw character been written out of this thread already ?

If you ignore him he goes away like most lunatics.

@ wrecker I dont think anyone is saying that
How can anyone defend what they did ? No matter how much someones views/cartoons pahmphlets annoy you cannot kill them, even if they use Comic Sans.
I have not seen anyone on here defend the terrorists or their actions
I am sure some will be saying that somewhere just like some will be saying kill all Muslims

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No they're condoning it because we play geopolitics with the arab world, like we do with the rest of the world but have never been bombed by Cuban/Russian/Indian/Chinese/Kenyan terrorists.

I think you need to read up on your history, It has striking similarities to the West, Russia, and the UK in Ireland

It really doesn't, Muslims wanting an autonomous region in Mindanao is like Bradford or Leicester demanding a separate state.

Suspects robbed a petrol station (and apparently heading back towards Paris), I assume they will cut off each others hands for that.

I dont think anyone is saying that

I have not seen anyone on here defend the terrorists or their actions
I am sure some will be saying that somewhere just like some will be saying kill all Muslims

There's a storm brewing.

Quite possibly

They may have made folk scared to print cartoons of the prophet but they have not helped their Muslims brothers one bit.

Well they can all look forward to the hard right gaining traction across europe. Well done dickheads.

They may have made folk scared to print cartoons of the prophet but they have not helped their Muslims brothers one bit.

They don't care about other Muslims. If they aren't with them, they are the enemy as well. Its going well so far, with so many people unable to differentiate Islamic terrorists from other Muslims, it won't bee long before a few more moderates become extremists.

It really doesn't, Muslims wanting an autonomous region in Mindanao is like Bradford or Leicester demanding a separate state.

So the biased settler policies, Placement of Catholic statues and the like and the use of the Ilaga, wouldn't upset a population which had been Muslim since the 14th century a little bit?

So no mention of an enemy then?

@JY MOSAD, SAS, US Special Forces - I support them in a job well done and would give them more resources to extend the work. As I posted before we should be significantly increasing military spending.

Is Leicester not a separate state?

@JY MOSAD, SAS, US Special Forces - I support them in a job well done and would give them more resources to extend the work. As I posted before we should be significantly increasing military spending.

I agree. Its worked so well in the past...

Tom_W1987 - Member

No they're condoning it because we play geopolitics with the arab world, like we do with the rest of the world but have never been bombed by Cuban/Russian/Indian/Chinese/Kenyan terrorists.

Who's condoning it? Understanding something, and explaining it to the hard of thinking is not the same as condoning murder.

wrecker
There's a storm brewing.

Oh shit! better get on the internet quick then.

I agree. Its worked so well in the past...

Oh shit! better get on the internet quick then.

Missing the point again Jam

Are you supporting the killing of foreign nationals on foreign soil?
Would you support Iraq to do the same or would that be bad?
Again your stance is admirable , evidence based and so so principled 😕
There is no point you avoiding the question we all know your answers
We can do it and you support it but they are the terrorists
Your a Western version of all you oppose and despise and you are not so daft you dont realise it. the problem is you dont care as you are right and they are wrong....just like they know it.

So what are the leaders of islam going to do about the murders committed in the name of their religeon? Im sure they will come out with platitudes distancing themselves from these crimes. But thats just a political statement like we get from Ministers. I want to know what as a faith they are going to do about stoping these crimes done in their name?

A minute of silence down the pool at 12:00. Just the hum of pumps and air con.

Junkyard - lazarus

Missing the point again Jam

Are you supporting the killing of foreign nationals on foreign soil?

I think I really have missed the point here if you think that any of your post is in any way applicable to me.

EDIT: @Jambalaya - point taken I will be clearer next time
Sorry

Brevik did his crimes for white people
What are you going to do about it

It is not the fault of ordinary Muslims that nutters do this and any attempt to pass all responsibility to all Muslims is unfair.

I go to football matches am I responsible for all acts of violence and racism that happen there by any other football fan?

Government forces vs Individuals, very different. There has always been conflict and sadly there always will be. You have to be strong to protect your yourself and your interests. Sending a drone strike onto a terrorist training camp in Yemen is perfectly justifiable. Shooting journalists or school children is not. If you all know my answer why ask a question ?

Farage has chipped in somewhat predictably [url= http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/08/paris-attack-nigel-farage-gross-policy-multiculturalism ]Multiculturalism to blame[/url]

@jimjam - he was referring to me, perhaps I should use a shorter login_id

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