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Just caught up on the story in that Indie link – still amazed that a old guy of nearly 80 was able to overpower a bloke under 40, but glad that the right man won.
He looks like a large enough chap, perhaps there was a struggle and he just got lucky, for want of a better word. It reinforces my opinion that arming oneself with a knife for self defence is a bad idea, or certainly not a great idea because if push comes to shove and you're forced to use it there's a very real chance of someone getting killed or seriously injured.
Its not futile, and it is difficult, but it can be done.
Well yes & I didn't mean 100% can't be rehabilitated Junky.
The amount of re-offenders I saw coming back to the Cat C I was in was depressing.
The dead man was a career criminal, if you make a life out of visiting misery on others, eventually it'll unravel and you'll end up getting attacked by a homeowner.
Kinda feel for his family if they're good people, if they're of the same ilk then I couldn't care less.
Just a shame an old man had to suffer like this and most likely carry it with him. That's who I feel sorry for in all this.
give a 30 year old criminal a life whereby he has no need to commit crime, your statement indicates he will still commit crime does it not?
Nope, doesn't say that at all. I am making no comment on rehabilitation. I am saying they wouldn't need to be rehabilitated as they wouldn't have turned to crime in the first place with a different upbringing.
Some people would be criminals whatever, but if everyone had an equal chance in life I can't see as many criminals being around.
So you were replying to my original post that said it would be interesting to see how many career criminals would change their ways (if given the financial means to do so) by raising a completely different point?
i think we were at cross purposes somewhere. 😀 I don’t think we’d see less crime if all were equal. Just different types of crime being committed. People, sadly, will always find a way to screw each other over.
Funkmaster - its well proven that more equal societies have less crime and that as prosperity rises crime drops
The real hero in all of this is the burgler. Due to his sacrifice other worthless scrotes may think twice about breaking into a home carrying a weapon.
All in all a pretty good result all round..
Funkmaster – its well proven that more equal societies have less crime and that as prosperity rises crime drops
Do you have any links or reading material? Genuinely interested.
I think you should expect and be allowed to defend your own home. From what i gather the weapon was the burglar’s? More than likely a struggle happened and the burglar got off worse.
Unless something is being held back by the police, i cannot see a jury convicting him of murder.
Not off the top of my head funkmaster. If you look at the british crime survey you get a good indication of crime rates and you can correlate this to recessions and booms well. If you compare imprisonment rates and reoffending rates in various countries you get some idea of how different approaches give different results
Thanks TJ, it’s not something I’ve actually thought too much about until reading this thread. I’ll dive in and take a look.
Kinda feel for his family if they’re good people, if they’re of the same ilk then I couldn’t care less.
From reading the telegraph link a couple of pages back, it would appear to be the latter. Screwing over pensioners seems to be the family business. Plenty of local people scared to death in their own homes.
I totally accept that some people can change with the right opportunities and good rehabilitation, and that some people fall into crime out of unfortunate circumstances. It it sounds like this guy was a proper wrong 'un from a family of wrong 'uns and for that I find it hard to muster any sympathy.
I found out that one of the lads who did me over later died of an overdose. He was a career shithead from a family of career shitheads too. When I heard the news, my immediate reaction was to hope that the proceeds from my stuff helped dispatch him a little earlier before he had chance to inflict misery and trauma on anyone else. ****.
I imagine the burglar's family will get revenge on this old boy at some point. If they're smart it won't be traceable, but it'll probably end up with the old boy and his wife dead and someone in jail for life and some kids without a family.
Some kind of "code" or "honour" most likely. I doubt the kind of folk who spend their lives robbing the vulnerable are likely to sit be and be philosophical about it - maybe set up a non-profit to alleviate the poor conditions they and others grew up in.
It's all just..... sad.
Well, the old boy is now in a police safe house and his whole street has been threatened by the burglars family because they removed the shrine that the family left outside the house.
Screwing over pensioners seems to be the family business.
a relative apparently commented on facebook
"The old b******s deserve everything they get. An OAP a day will keep ur bank balance at bay"
I found out that one of the lads who did me over later died of an overdose. He was a career shithead from a family of career shitheads too. When I heard the news, my immediate reaction was to hope that the proceeds from my stuff helped dispatch him a little earlier before he had chance to inflict misery and trauma on anyone else. ****.
Same happened to a guy who jumped me in the street when I was 17. I was wearing a t shirt with a metal band on it, he didn't take kindly to that so thought beating me up for it was his only course of action
Call me what you like, but I lose no sleep whatsoever thinking about him dying like the peice of shit he was.
Unfortunately criminals like to think they can do whatever they want, so stealing from pensioners is a perfectly honourable career choice and anyone who hurts their own deserves vengeance.
Perhaps a biker gang should turn up in the street as security for a while
Perhaps a biker gang should turn up in the street as security for a while
If only they weren't all busy trying to sort out the knife crime issues. Even bike gangs have their priorities
My forecasting seems sadly accurate
Mr Vincent's cousin Phoebe Smith, 34, said whoever had torn down the flowers "should be ashamed of themselves".
"It's terrible, they don't understand that it's somebody's child. They're a memory of a son and a friend," she added.
She said Mr Vincent's family, understood to be from the travelling community, should be "allowed to lay flowers for Henry".
Where ever you are on the 'deserved everything he got' spectrum I think Mr Vincent's family have done plenty to help alienate the 'traveller community' and reinforce perceptions. What sorted of ****ed up moral compass thinks it reasonable to place flowers outside a house where the lad died theiving and threatening an OAP. To not be humilated and disowning a relative (with previous for the same) who died like that but want to place flowers down marks you as scum, pure and simple.
Whatever you might think of the family, it seems perfectly reasonable for them to grieve for him, especially his kids. I'm not quite sure why they can't do that wherever they live rather than going and imposing it on the people they terrorise - exactly what benefit are his kids getting from having that pinned up on the fence opposite the house he was doing his criminal stuff in? I'm guessing it's more deliberate provocation than that they don't understand it's unreasonable though.
It may just be internet hard man stuff, as I don't live there, but I'm not sure I'd have just left the tributes on the ground.
All of which reminds me of a brilliant quote from a grieving mother. The police turned up at his flat to arrest a well-known thief with a record of violence. He decided not to come quietly and, being a top floor flat, decided to make a Spiderman style escape over the roofs. Not being Spiderman, he slipped and fell to his death. His mother was in the papers insisting that despite a record of violence which included police assault, there was no need for the police to turn up mob-handed and in fact "he wasn't a bad laddie. He did some shoplifting but that was only to pay his fines"
The ‘tributes’ are clear intimidation and are done in the most cynical manner. Preying on the natural tendency of good people to be sympathetic if at all possible whilst being a clear ‘message’ to the locals.
The police should remove them very carefully and store them somehow to preserve them (after taking prints) then ask the people who put them there to collect them if they want to lay them somewhere more appropriate, after asking them to sign for them - we wouldn’t want to just give them to anybody after all. If they were then shown to a room where it was obvious cctv was in operation to collect the ‘tributes’ that would work nicely too.
Intimidation ought to cut both ways, but of course in this day and age it would be an infringement of civil liberties or some such other crap.
Also, it would be better if people were allowed to focus on the old boy, and not in a “free pints for life” way.
He may well develop issues with the fact that he has killed someone. The circumstances around it were entirely inflicted on him by a scumbag and his mate, but he might not be able to get away from the fact that he has killed another person.
He (and no doubt his disabled wife - they often go after the family as well, what with being plucky folk heroes and all that - vomit) will be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives.
There is a victim here, and it’s not the guy that ended up dead.
He (and no doubt his disabled wife – they often go after the family as well, what with being plucky folk heroes and all that – vomit) will be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives.
Good job the tabloid rags didn't plaster his face all over the place, should be a piece of piss to relocate him.
Good job the tabloid rags didn’t plaster his face all over the place, should be a piece of piss to relocate him.
Yes, that was a master stroke wasn’t it? Too busy giving it the “yeah, that’s the spirit that won the war” crap to give it a second thought. Wonder if they’ll find an attractive granddaughter to photo in a bikini for an interview......
How about this for a floral tribute
Seems like a reasonable outcome. Hope the old chap can enjoy the rest of his days
Let's face it, if you kill a burglar inside your own home, the prosecution have a big hill to climb to persuade a jury that it was murder. Despite the outrage over the initial headline, the result was really just a formality.
"Henry Vincent, 37, was already on a police “most-wanted” list for a string of burglaries when he was stabbed during a confrontation with Richard Osborn-Brooks, 78, early on Wednesday."
Him and family carrying out distraction thefts from elderly victims for 15 years.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-m-glad-burglar-henry-vincent-is-dead-says-victim-v7r8gp3c6
correct outcome.
It is the right outcome but there’s no victory here - it will most likely ruin the rest of the old fella’s life, and he will never be able to live in his own home again. Very sad indeed..
Mr Osborn-Brooks told Southwark Coroner's Court the 37-year-old had threatened him with a screwdriver, then "rushed forward" and "ran into the knife I was holding"
Not something you often hear from murder suspect who gets acquitted!
Not something you often hear from murder suspect who gets acquitted!
You’ll do anything when your’e stoned.
it will most likely ruin the rest of the old fella’s life
i reckon he'll be alright, plenty of people have had to do stuff like that and are quite content it was the right thing due to circumstances. More burglars/thieves need the same treatment..