[Closed] Muirfield golf course

I like the balance; they can choose not to be part of the modern world and in return, the modern world decides not to visit.

It's not the same as ladies only events- the Open would never visit a female only club either, for one thing, and for another there's no such thing, which kind of demonstrates why it's an issue.

"Knobs" I think sums it up for me.

I agree with Northwind, different to a club that has a role in the management of the game such as the R&A, MCC etc.

What about the Ladies only clubs ? Just heard an interesting interview with a senior Ladies Golf administrator and she did say there are ladies only clubs, not as grand as Muirfiled for sure but they do exist (@Northwind)

Muirfield is a place with firm views, famously Tom Watson after winning the Open there went back with Jack Nicklaus to play a round and where told, sorry you're not members !

It's their choice, they where too they would lose the right to hold the Open Championship but I suspect many members find that a huge inconvenience anyway

jambalaya - Member

she did say there are ladies only clubs, not as grand as Muirfiled for sure but they do exist (@Northwind)

Not to open standard there aren't.

Its there club, and they can do what they want behind closed doors ,and on the lawns.

Wirral ladies golf club up the road from me,

Not to open standard there aren't.

On the plus side it keeps Sturgeon from becoming a member.

Good for the Honourable Conpany to resist the pressure (largely from HSBC as sponsors)

Place for men and women only clubs in all aspects of life - St Andrews had the R&A (sadly now bowed to pressure), the St Rule (Ladies) and two mixed clubs. Everyone is happy.

The Open has lost the best course in Britain - for PC bullshit.

The St Rule Club is a ladies club which was established at the end of 1896. The original aims were social, to share newspapers and periodicals, to have tea and light refreshments and to have shelter near the links. Its formation was encouraged by Captain Boothby of The Royal and Ancient Golf Club and its 186 founder members (including The Captain’s wife Ella Beatrice Boothby) leased, as a temporary clubhouse, 4 Gibson Place for the year 1897.

The move to the current premises at 12 The Links in 1898 coincided with the creation of a golf section within The Club.

Situated next to the 18th green of the Old Course, The Club has a magnificent panoramic view across the world famous St Andrews Links and the West Sands towards the Angus hills.

Today, in addition to golf, activities organised in The St Rule Club, include bridge, putting, arts and crafts, a book club, coffee morning talks and a programme of winter lectures. The Club thrives with a membership of 500 ladies, 288 of whom are golfers.

A very close bond exists between the two august governing bodies of golf, The Ladies Golf Union who rented the two upper floors of the building for many years from 1977 and The Royal and Ancient Golf Club who has never faltered in its support of The St Rule Club.

One (St) Rule for women and one for men

Some say they are stuck in the dark ages,

some say it is no different to the ladies only gyms/classes/uplift days etc.

It's their choice

I say build a tramline through it

I for one don't think it's 'PC bull' for a professional sports organisation to discourage institutional misogyny.

Stevious +1

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Oh God no! It cost £750 million to build a 6 mile stretch in town. How much would it cost to go all the way to Gullane? The [s]country[/s] planet couldn't afford it.

Who is the professional sports organisation?

Wouldn't that be these folk Mefty
http://www.randa.org/TheRandA/AboutTheRandA/About-Us

@imnotverygood No need to build all that just a short stretch down the 18th fairway across the green and through the clubhouse should get the message through

Members had a free choice, their decision has had a fair consequence.

The club captain on the telly looks like he wished the vote had gone the other way!

It's not the same as ladies only events- the Open would never visit a female only club either, for one thing, and for another there's no such thing,

The Ladies Golf Club, Troon. It shares the same course as the men only Troon club. Don't see the problem.

http://www.tlgct.co.uk/home.aspx?i=no

I guess they can do what they like. I don't agree with it at all and I do wonder "why"? I mean it's 100k plus to just get a membership there anyway, I doubt they'd be overrun with "Sharon's and Tracey's" (apologies to all Sharon's and Tracey's btw but you get my point). Seems a very strange one to me. I wonder what the average age of membership is and I wonder what their wives think of their vote (assuming they are/are still married).

I am surprised that sexism appears to be ok but it wouldn't be ok to insist all members be white (I bloody hope not anyway).

What if they banned Jews?

A 33-strong group of 'no' campaigners among the Muirfield members had cited concerns about slow play and making women "feel uncomfortable" among the "risks" of admitting female members.

I'm trying to work out the back to front thinking which reads as "We're not going to let women in because we make them feel uncomfortable."

Surely they're capable of behaving in such a way that women don't feel uncomfortable?

Do women golfers play slower than men?

I'm bewildered and confused.

Don't think you can compare women only gym classes to a single sex club; they're more comparable to a women's only day/ morning on a golf course.

If golf wishes to have men and women only clubs then that is fine, but I do not think in this day and age they should be allowed the prestige of hosting The Open. I disagree with the comparison with gym classes and uplift days. In a sporting environment I imagine many women who may not partake in these activities feel more comfortable in a women only environment.

I can imagine the jurassic discussions at Muirfield regarding not allowing women in.

as Northwind really. They have a right to choose how they organise themselves as do the people that organise the Open.

Do women golfers play slower than men?

Well since women can't drive and they're often preoccupied with the iron, it's not surprising really.

Do women golfers play slower than men?

Do bears..... 😉

Lots of myopic angst/hypocrisy over single sex golf clubs. Only bad in 50% of cases. No guessing which way.

Hang in there Honourable Company and Royal Troon.

Nick, the R&A merely bent over to HSBC pressure

TBH, the lack of hypocrisy is refreshing.

I used to work for a company for inclusiveness supported the formation of such fora as:

Company X women's network

Company X LG&TD network

Both by their definition were non-exclusive and discriminatory.

Ban golf, its the only way.

Do women golfers play slower than men?

Played golf for years and by far the slowest folks on the course were the old duffers (blokes) who thought they owned the place and refused to let anyone through regardless of whether they made them wait on every tee. Never saw the women acting like that..

Good news is give it 10 years and all the old farts will probably be dead, so perhaps better off holding a revote until then.

That said, why would anyone want to join a club full of such pompus old asshats anyhow...

I don't understand why men and women feel the need to segregate anyway

Their members have voted so democracy prevails accept that.

Club rules innit!

Well since women can't drive and they're often preoccupied with the iron, it's not surprising really.

making women "feel uncomfortable"

Lots of myopic angst/hypocrisy over single sex golf clubs.

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Don't really understand why Muirfield get criticised for this.

Women's Rural Institute as an example. Are other sexes permitted to join?

Potentially the issue with Muirfield is that there may be a perception that the members are rich old codgers and this perception shapes judgement. There are plenty of other non inclusive groups, so what is the issue?

Muirfield lose the ability to host The Open, I'm sure there are more important news items than this.

People are just making a fuss out of nothing because it is a golf club which is considered a club for the rich. Just plain jealousy me think. No rational whatsoever.

Unless the members are these two blokes ...

The celebrity cool dude that drops mic and the "billion" dollar man (the one in pink).

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Think it's more the unequal use of a resource that's the problem. Women can only use Muirfield as a guest. At Troon? There's a male club and a female club on the same course who presumably manage the course equally. The women's institute doesn't stop men using the village hall. Think there may well be men in the WI now anyway.

They're not the only ones to do it, they just lost the chance to host the Open.

I believe Augusta only allowed women members in 2012 and have constantly been accused of racism.

These "high brow" golf clubs attract a certain Jag driving type who are probably not known for their feminism and are just happy that there are no women around forcing their need for sexual harassment on the poor old men.

chubstr - Member
They're not the only ones to do it, they just lost the chance to host the Open.

If they don't need the money then there is no lost to hosting unwanted Open if they can sustain themselves financially. Most golf clubs have no problem sustaining themselves financially.

Quite chubstr...
I'm just playing junkyard professionally offended bshit bingo at the moment, he's not accused them of being racist xenophobic bigots yet though, here's hoping....

I cannot do that until you join them.

If I wanted to see someone who is professionally offended I would just discuss how wonderful multiculturalism has been for the UK with you 8)

bloodynora - Member

Quite chubstr...
I'm just playing junkyard professionally offended bshit bingo at the moment, he's not accused them of being racist xenophobic bigots yet though, here's hoping....

😆 Let's see how creative he can be this time.

Junkyard - lazarus

I cannot do that until you join

If I wanted to see someone who is professionally offended I would just discuss how wonderful multiculturalism has been for the UK with you

Multiculturalism !? 😆 ... from a person who claimed to be "I am not English ..." 😆

These "high brow" golf clubs attract a certain Jag driving type who are probably not known for their feminism and are just happy that there are no women around forcing their need for sexual harassment on the poor old men

I worked at the R&A* as a student and am a guest every year in a match. IME, the members are anything BUT Jag driving types. Charming, intelligent, very generous and great company. I would rather share their company than many mixed clubs elsewhere, where the Jags will be on much greater show.

*only know five members of the Honourable Company. All very sound although one does drive a Jag XKR 😉

trouble is if you admit women then you have to maintain two sets of tees 🙁

In fairness 64% did vote to admit women... only 3% short of the magic 2/3 majority required... 🙂

The Ladies Golf Club, Troon. It shares the same course as the men only Troon club. Don't see the problem.

Nope. They play Troon Portland, not the same course.