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just heard it on radio 2 news (and nearly choked on my all bran 😆 😡
the people can have their say next said the news report 😉
They can Foxtrot Oscar!!
they are not that stupid are they as preach to us about austerity and do this when their earnings are so much above the average..please say they are not this detached from reality 😯
I am actually prepared to do some direct action if they try this
Source?
We're all in it together apparently
STINKS !!
But to be expected from a majority of irrellevant hangers-on ...
In defence doesn't sound like they are demanding an increase, just stating what they think they should be paid.
I think we will get ***ed on this, below is an exaample of Ipsa in action.
"In response to a Revenue and Customs (HMRC) inquiry, it said MPs had a right to hire an accountant to fill in expenses forms and tax returns on their behalf and that the cost of doing so - up to £5,000 a year - should not be taxed.
This, Ipsa argued, was because MPs are effectively self-employed and deserved the same tax settlement as small businesses."
I don't know any other self employed people on a final salary pension scheme, do you ?
I don't think that the increase is actually set in stone is it? Just that they were suvreyed and one of the figures extrapolated is that 69% want an increase to £86k a year etc....pretty meaningless stuff at the moment but it wouldn't surprise me if they did do something similar.
If it does happen:
I believe I can succinctly respond with the following well rounded response
* the * *, * bunch of parasitic ** need there ** chopping * off. * bunch of **.
I think they work very hard at giving us the freedom that we all enjoy... It must be very hard for them to keep their spirits up in such a widely despised job.. If they are struggling and an extra few dozen £K each year helps them to get through difficult times then I'm all for it..
they are probably all really nice decent people if you think about it
public sector scum.
Junkyard +1
It's the lack of funding for scientific research that forced me to move over here to Oz. I'd happily fly back just to support direct action if they think they can get away with that.
oh, and also, piemonster +several
[edit] Yet there's always one poster to make me take the opposite side - aa I'm talking to you. It's got sweet FA to do with public / private sector
cyclistm - Member
In defence doesn't sound like they are demanding an increase, just stating what they think they should be paid.
*Exhales heavily and calmly puts back the MAC-10 into it's case*
zokes. I'm a public sector worker. Front line, pay freeze for 4 years. Watching the coalition rip the heart out of the education system (the area i work in). Mp votes along party lines rather than on behalf of his constituents.
It's everything to do with the public sector.
Rather better, less sensational reporting of this on Radio 4.
MPs were surveyed, anonymously, some time ago, about what they felt a suitable wage would be for people doing their job.
The bloke on t'radio made the point that MPs are currently paid less than Junior Headmasters and that if you didn't offer a decent wage for what is actually a fairly demanding job then you make the job unattractive to competent types 😀
if you didn't offer a decent wage
£65k plus the same again (at least) in expenses to be a professional gob-shite is a reasonable attraction I'd say.
Meh.... if we paid them as highly as london businessmen then we might attract more competent individuals as politicians.
All the clever graduates go into professions that pay lots and lots of money, the freaks go into politics.
I think they should pass a law which obliges us to all take some time out each year to indulge our politicians in warm loving cuddles of gratitude..
maybe to be implemented at the polling booths..?
I would give them a 25% payrise a bus pass, a train pass, the use of a flat in London and a computer.
& No more expenses
£65k plus the same again (at least) in expenses to be a professional gob-shite is a reasonable attraction I'd say.
Average wage in the Westminster area is £100k.
As with anyone else, you can't just look at the salary in isolation, you need to look at the full package-so comparison with a headteacher isn't that sensible.
GrahamS - MemberAverage wage in the Westminster area is £100k.
Number of MPs that works fulltime in Westminster area- 1
The bloke on t'radio made the point that MPs are currently paid less than Junior Headmasters and that if you didn't offer a decent wage for what is actually a fairly demanding job then you make the job unattractive to competent types
Fairly demanding to kiss the arse of your party leader and nod appropriately at your constituents whilst pretending you are going to actually do something.
Piece of piss surely.
What is the special skill set they require? Seriously what are they
I can see it for ministers to some degree but for an MP I am not convinced tbh.
To be fair i'd let them have the salary BUT no expenses and no secondary employment/outside (conflict of) interests.
can't see them going for that though. 👿
On average, Tories said their salary should be £96,740, while Lib Dems thought the right amount was £78,361 and Labour £77,322. Other parties put the figure at £75,091.
Not like the Tories to be greedy.
GrahamS - Member
Average wage in the Westminster area is £100k.
What's their average expenses bill?
I'm not going to try to defend them - just suggesting that some folk might want to consider some of the nuanced points behind the headlines before marching on parliament with pitchforks. 😀
The bloke on t'radio made the point that MPs are currently paid less than Junior Headmasters
I wish!
I would entertain the idea of significant wage increases for MPs if the higher salaries attracted a better calibre of incumbent i.e. candidates who were not career politicians and had some concept of what goes on in the world outside of Westminster - someone who is from the people and for the people
Not sure money always gets you talent sometimes you just get the greedy- See Football clubs for many many examples
I'd entertain the idea of hanging a couple of the self-serving, greedy bastards from the nearest lamp post.
Just to remind them who they're supposed to be serving.
I'm not going to try to defend them - just suggesting that some folk might want to consider some of the nuanced points behind the headlines before marching on parliament with pitchforks.
They've had the chances, no need to give them the benefit of the doubt any more.
performance related pay?
Still considerably less than a GP....
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But as per usual, those in power shaft the rest of us........
performance related pay?
only if it was 0% basic salary, 100% variable pay with the peformance appraisal done by the constituents.
performance related pay?
This is an area that they could lead by example with, then we could see it applied right through the ranks of public servants.
woodlikesbeer - Member
Still considerably less than a GP....
In a very basic terms yes, but it's all about the expenses that go with the mp's wage.
And that's without taking in to consideration the stuff for moat-cleaning and paying their niece to do the cleaning.
The expense scandal was basically because they were/are underpaid, I wouldn't do their job even for that increased salary and neither would any of us by the mere fact that none of us has got off us arses from the forum gone out and done it.
Like i dont think my taxes goes on benefits cheats, it goes to help those less lucky than me and balance society up, so i dont think politicans are lazy arse scum who we are doing a favour by employing.
Still considerably less than a GP....
Fair enough.
MPs do very nicely really - e.g When they lose their jobs they get a serious lump of cash and obviously one of those rather good public sector pensions.
woodlikesbeer - MemberStill considerably less than a GP....
OK, even leaving aside the fact that the reward structure is totally different... How many years do you have to study before you become a qualified MP? And do you get struck off the MPs list for making crap decisions?
Still considerably less than a GP....
Yep that was one of the points MP bloke on radio was making. Two of his colleagues were qualified GPs and had to take considerable pay cuts to become MPs.
His argument was that you end up with lots of moneyed rich folk being MPs because well-qualified others can't afford to give up well paying jobs to do it. It's an interesting point.
Do they represent us for the money, or because they have aspirations to do good for the people. 32% increase - no - if they don't like the pay (+perks) they should get a real job and work just for money. They might just feel slightly impoverished if they had to survive in the private or public sector at present.
Presumably the expenses are for MP-related work like train tickets to meetings, meals when away from office etc. Which is the same as any other job. So they don't get any extra money from expenses (excluding the fiddlers). If I've read correctly MPs get £68k. 4 of my friends from school are GP's. They are earning about £100-120k a year. For 4 days a week work. None of them do home visits.
I would of course agree that GP's are needed and should be paid well. However, £100k for fours days work referring people to hospital?