There was the the 'misquotation'- about immigration (does he know his family were too immigrants?
Now its the Falklands.
Please retire to your bedroom, write some new material and reform the Smiths. Please.
Hora - why can't he concentrate on riding his bike?
I'd prefer it if Morrissey didnt write any more music thanks.
He should have done an Amy Winehouse. Then his reputation would be unassailable.
Everything post Smiths horrid IMO.
Disagree Viva Hate was one of his best musically
I've never got this flaming hero worship of the smiths. they did a few reasonable songs and split up over twenty years ago. let it lie ferchristssakes
He's driven by politics and is allowed an opinion; where do you think his lyrical inspiration comes from?
Love the Mozza but he needs to stick to singing.
I suspect he didn't volunteer his opinion
it's probably the bottom feeding journos you should complain about
Blimey, the Smiths courted controversy in the 80s -"hang the DJ"! Racist! Morrissey draping himself in a union jack too... I can't believe anyone listens to what an old hasbeen has to say now though.
When he was on the One Show a while back his answer to the problems with the economy was along the lines of - if people can't get a job, then why don't they just paint and read books.
Idiot.
His solo stuff is dependant on the quality of his collaberators. Viva Hate was good, Kill Uncle too.
He's never been a great songwriter, but a brilliant, brilliant lyricist whith the Smiths.
The Smiths needed each other and they needed Manchester too.
As you can tell from my user name, I'm a huge Smiths fan, but I'm not sure if I'd like to see them reform.
They split at the top of their game (Strangeways is still a superb album) and I'd hate them to ruin it.
As to his opinions, they're just that. He's entitled to them, just like everyone else.
I like the Moz 😀
There was a fantastic Viz t-shirt back in the day that summed him up perfectly. Something along the lines (and I'll paraphrase here) of "Morrisey - Pop genius or ladygarden?"
Massive Smiths fan and used to love the Moz, unfortunatley he is now a c0ck.
His comment on The One Show (WTF was he doing on there??) about having no sympathy for white collar workers who were finding themselves unemployed really did it for me - these people are the former students who got him were he is (or was)
Really hope they don't reform and taint it (but I would be 1st in the queue for tickets! 🙂 )
Hate the bloke. I remember the first time I saw the Smiths I burst out laughing, I thought they were taking the piss.. then Imagine my surprise when I discovered they were deadly serious!
He should just go away.To put it politely.
He Is a complete tool and I think only comes out with this pish for the same reason Jeremy Clarkson comes out with verbal diahorrea. Stupid comments keep them in the limelight for another few months. Johnny Marr on the other hand is a bit of a legend.
[I]I remember the first time I saw the Smiths I burst out laughing, I thought they were taking the piss[/I]
+1
I've yet to hear him say anything in a song or not which doesn't sound like a naive, whining student.
There was a mickey take about him on an 80's comedy program singing about shoes being expensive, it was brilliant. Can't find it now though.
[i]I remember the first time I saw the Smiths I burst out laughing, I thought they were taking the piss.. then Imagine my surprise when I discovered they were deadly serious![/i]
They sang a song about tits and you thought they were being serious? wow, you really missed the point.
Weapons grade bell-end IMHO.
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I'd prefer it if Morrissey didnt write any more music thanks.
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Spot on emsz.
The Smiths were brilliant at being serious (Suffer Little Children), being funny (Cemetary Gates) and being both at the same time (pretty much everything else).
Always amazed me that the haterz never got the humour. It's pretty obvious really 😀
IME the people who hate Morrissey have never really sat and listened to the music or thought about what he has to say.
He basically says it as he sees it, and a lot of it is what people want to say/admit to but haven't the courage - he's the most eloquent writer about personal insecurities and fears I know. Equally the comments he makes which come across as racist 'With a Rush and a Push...' - there's plenty of people who'll express those ideas behind closed doors who haven't the balls to say it in public. And we all know racism comes from personal insecurity...
+ people don't understand the concept of an author or singer taking a role/persona ie: they're not necessarily his personal views...
If you listened to his Desert Island Discs you'll find he's a very insightful, very considered individual, and actually comes across as a nice guy.
His attitude to work is spot on too - for so many people, their job is boring, stressful, unsatisfying, soul-destroying but they do it because they want the money. That's just the point he's making. It's really a call to arms for employers to care a little bit more, and I can't see many people disgreeing with that...
Oh, and just like Clarkson, he says stuff cos he knows it winds people up. Childish? probably, but it's yr own problem if you let it wind you up...
IME the people who hate Morrissey have never really sat and listened to the music or thought about what he has to say.
Nope, I hate his "music" because its sh*t, but then thats what music is all about, each to their own etc.
Aah, so he's just toying with us? He certainly had me fooled.
He's really, really good at making himself look like a complete bellend.
I don't hate him or the rest of the smiths, i quite like some of the songs, I just don't get this hero worship thing
I thought they were taking the piss.. then Imagine my surprise when I discovered they were deadly serious!
There are Inception-level degrees of irony/sarcasm in Smiths songs. You're never entirely sure what the intent is.
Morrissey has a significant Hispanophone fan base. A comment like this will appeal to them and scandalise the Anglophone media - which is great for sales.
Does he mean it? Does he care? Does it matter? You be the magistrate (who lives their life hiding their mistakes...).
Nah, The Smiths weren't as clever as some on here make out. Musically, they had a few decent songs on each album but never made a great record. They were just an average indie band who happened to make it big coz Morrissey waved some flowers around on stage and the music press loved them. File alongside Suede, the Arctic Monkeys, and countless other bands over the decades. Oh, and Morrissey is a total bell end, it has to be said.
"Morrisey - Pop genius or ladygarden?
I'd love that tshirt!
What difference does it make?
When the leather runs smooth on the passenger seat.
What a line.
'Smiths' threads are ace, a great way of outing the humourless.
Here's something to cheer you all up:
The Smiths v.s. Suede or the Arctic Monkeys
You really think there is a possible comparison? Putting aside that they were a popular group, The Smiths are waay more musically important IMO. Poignant, comic, deeply satirical social commentary accompanied by jangly guitar pop. Flippin' genius idea for it's day.
These threads are certainly a great way of outing some very odd hero worship, that's for sure.
So just to re-cap then, if you don't think morrisey and/or the smiths are funny, you're humourless.
Everyone? In the entire world who doesn't think they're funny?
Wow.
"you can't help but feel the Chinese are a sub-species"
ladygarden afaic
I don't like Frankie Boyle, Jimmy Carr or Jim Davidson. But I still recognise what they do as humour, just not the kind I enjoy.
I find it genuinely odd that some people can't see the humour in the Smiths.
I don't expect everyone to like it, but it's pretty obvious that it's there.
Oh, no hero worship from me btw, politically, he's a bellend.
He always has been. Most musicians are.
Great frontman and lyricist, though.
And very funny, in a northern miserableist, LesDawson/Rob Wilton/Hovis Presley/John Cooper Clarke kind of way.
I was a student in that era and lived through quite a frightening amount of smiths as a consequence.
I appreciate the silver tongued pokings at contemporary society and all that but there comes a point when, however post-neo-ironic you set your stall out to be, the music you make has to stand up for itself and be taken at face value. I'm afraid that's where it falls pretty flat in my opinion. He does look good staring dreamily skywards on a Sunday supplement cover though, I'll give him that.
So....a vote for "[i]Ladygarden[/i]" from me 😛
he has written and sung some really sensitive thoughtful funny songs that I love, also is a stupid ignorant dickhead.
Not a massive fan, but:
1) he has a point on the Malvinas.
and
2) 'these people are the former students who got him were he is (or was)'
so he should change his views because some people liked his music? He owes them nothing.
Kevevs succinctly put. Probably describes what I feel on him to a T.
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Not a massive fan, but:
1) he has a point on the Malvinas.
On what basis?
I'm with Rusty Spanner...Loved The Smiths,but no hero worship from me..
The Smiths v.s. Suede or the Arctic MonkeysYou really think there is a possible comparison? Putting aside that they were a popular group, The Smiths are waay more musically important IMO. Poignant, comic, deeply satirical social commentary accompanied by jangly guitar pop. Flippin' genius idea for it's day.
My point is that they were all indie bands that were championed by the press and the kids at the time, whereas the music doesn't really live up to the hype. Heck, I'm sure loads of kids will be saying how much of a wonderful poet the singer from the Arctic Monkeys was/is in years to come and they may be right. I just don't think the music is very good. The Smiths were an ok band with a few good songs, nothing more, nothing less.
jangly guitar pop
I listened to the first album for the first time in ages a few weeks ago, and it was far from jangly guitar pop. I had to skip nearly every song, it is so dreary and just well, not very musical. They never did make a great album - The Queen is Dead came closest, but there are some rubbish songs on that too.
I love all music and it's history, but I just don't understand the absolute adoration some people have for the Smiths. It's akin to a bunch of lasses (or lads) wetting their pants over Bros, or Milli Vanilli or something.
I love all music and it's history, but I just don't understand the absolute adoration some people have for the Smiths.
Because they were making original and meaningful music in an age of corporate, manufactured pap.
