[Closed] Morrissey Invokes Godwin's law, loses the internet

But he's soooo 'Edgy' 😉 🙄 Yawn (and I like some of his music too)

His opinions are about as relevant as his music.

His opinions are as relevant as anyone elses.

He's got a few good points, too actually.

Less relevant if he's speaking from his home in LA.

Smiths were great.

He's a noob

Has he got a record to sell at the moment?

Time he dried up and blew away.

He does make some perfectly valid points though as usual he does it in such a sanctimonious, miserable way that he will turn people off his message. He reminds me of some notable people on here who you can guarantee will say the opposite to everyone else so consistently that you can't help but feel that it's a conscious decision to do so.

I don't like the British focus that does seem to be creeping into the coverage - certainly more than I recall - though maybe that's a reflection that we're doing better so that there are good British performances to focus on.

I still love that we're doing brilliantly well though and take no issue with the happiness it brings to many people.

Ok let's grant him his wish, someone drive him into a lonely woodland and put him out of our misery. Was relevant years ago, now just a lingering embarrassment.

Morrissey was also heavily critical of the Queen's Diamond Jubilee in June, comparing her reign to a dictatorship and describing the celebrations as "a new lesson in the force of tyranny".

Try living in Syria, then you'll understand the terms "dictatorship" and "tyranny"

He's such an utter cock. It's not even worth getting angry about, as it's nothing new: Morrissey whinging about fictional problems.

It's not even worth getting angry about

So why are you then?

the 2013 grotesque inevitability of Lord and Lady Beckham

I'm with him on that one.

[i]mikeconnor - Member
His opinions are as relevant as anyone elses.[/i]

[i]anyone elses[/i] aren't on Sky News.

(and I like some of his music too)

Can't stand the bloke, never liked his "music" if that's what you could call it. Now he comes out with this - I think he's missing the limelight especially after all that crap he came out with about the Falklands too.

anyone elses aren't on Sky News.

Yes but plenty of people gushing about how great the olympics are, are all over the media. i see no problem with anyone having an alternative view.

I accept that this sort of attitude is unacceptable on here. In my defence, i'm new and in time, will hopefully learn the error of my ways.

Mike I don't think it's what you're saying that's the issue but rather how you say it. Presenting opinion as fact is never going to win friends.

He's stuck in the 6th form common room desperatly trying to be controversial, (although some of his comments are valid) but it's a bit sad really and smacks trying to be different just for the sake of it, and as a result pisses people off, Mike 😉

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Hes starting to look desperate and quite sad.

Hes not the singer that he once was and those tshirts on stage were bad enough. Get a life. Last week they were giving away tickets for his concert as a 'free gift to fans'....right. Not because you had swathes of empty seats?

Presenting opinion as fact is never going to win friends.

It seems that presenting facts as facts isn't poplar on here either.

I fully believe he believes what he says. He's not desperately trying to be different. And it appears he's picked exactly the right moment to make the comments. There'd be no point making them in a few weeks when it's all forgotten would there?

I didn't read the CM discussion in enough detail to comment specifically on that MC. I wonder if everyone agrees that they are facts...

deadlydarcy - Member
I fully believe he believes what he says

Really?

I just feel that he's a grumpy, reactionary old git who says things based on what reaction they'll get as a primary consideration. Maybe unfair but I just can't see it any other way no matter how fairly I try to consider it.

WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO! When do we invade Poland then? 😀

Reactionary? That insults people who really are of that type.

I don't think hes even as deep as a puddle. I switched off after a certain point in his life. Hes a crooner now.

I like morrissey because he says what he thinks. And I reckon he makes some valid points, albeit in his own style which seems to be what people are focussing on rather than the message.

Apparently intelligent people being sucked in to an opinion formed on style rather than substance...

How boring.

Really?

No, I just said it for the hell if it.

Yes, really. When did Morrisey ever say anything cheerful, or did you miss the 80s and 90s? He's always been a grumpy anti-establishment type. He didn't suddenly become one because a few million have masturbated themselves into a froth over the Olympics.

I don't think hes even as deep as a puddle.

My ironometer just exploded.

Yes, really. When did Morrisey ever say anything cheerful, or did you miss the 80s and 90s? He's always been a grumpy anti-establishment type. He didn't suddenly become one because a few million have masturbated themselves into a froth over the Olympics.

Yes, taken, but is he just getting crapper at it/ choosing less important issues to comment on?

It seems that presenting facts as facts isn't poplar on here either.

There are other forums, you know.

Shirley you have a Leprechaunmeter?

If I was Morrisey, and I wanted to make a point about how shite I think the Olympics are, I'd pick now to make it. If I wanted to make a point about anything else, I'd probably wait until GB was back into upcoming winter misery mode. I'm sure he'll make a few more pronouncements that will piss the likes of hora off because he might have to stop and think about things for a minute.

I should add that, I'm not a fan of his, nor do I agree with everything he has said about the Olympics.

We'll agree to disagree, eh, O'Darcy? 🙂

Fair enough Darcy, I don't know maybe it's me, but he does seem to be choosing his 'targets' less well over the last few years and coming across of more of a grumpy old man

I'm going to amend the following line

Morrissey, pop genius or ladygarden

to

Morrissey, crooner and ladygarden.

binners - Member
WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO! When do we invade Poland then?

www.somethingsshouldnevergoonabinnerstshirt.com

Ah bollocks, kisses for everyone, I'm just being a grumpy reactionary cock myself here.

I'm going to smile for the rest of the day. Even at hora and his closet racism. 🙂
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No argue Damn you !! 😈 😉 this is STW don't you know!!

I haven't seen any goosestepping, book burning or jews being murdered yet. Danny boyle missed a trick for the opening ceremony IMO.

On a more serious note, the man is an activist who tells everyone else how to behave whilst carrying on like a spoilt rich brat, much like geldof and bono in that respect. I reckon if we are gonna turn into nazi germany over this he should be the first to be machine gunned into a mass grave.

Much as I love the Moz, as I admire being out-grumped by anyone, I doubt I'll be hanging off the words of an LA dwelling tax exile, property tycoon. I mean, if that were the case, we should all be listening to...

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and 😆 at Flashy

I'm only racist against Teak cupboards. Pine cupboards rock.

Teakist!

Especially the rich coloured mahogancy ones, coming over here taking all our DVD and ornament space

Wouldn't have even noticed his latests grumbles if he hadn't gone Godwin and upset the interwebz police.
Maybe he knows how to play the modern media game more than he lets on.

As I recently drove through Greece...

As I recently [s]drove[/s] was driven through Greece in the back of a Mercedes S Class...

(Probably)

I accept that this sort of attitude is unacceptable on here. In my defence, i'm new and in time, will hopefully learn the error of my ways.

As I recently drove through Greece

To be fair, it's quite easy to become depressed with humanity on a coach trip of that length. Saga holiday does do flights though so he shouldn't complain too much.

Does seem to rather go against the lyrics of one of his songs, which is one I'm rather fond of,
as it happens.

Irish blood, English heart, this I'm made of
There is no-one on earth I'm afraid of
And no regime can buy or sell me

[b]I've been dreaming of a time when
To be English is not to be baneful
To be standing by the flag not feeling
Shameful, racist or partial[/b]

Irish blood, English heart, this I'm made of
There is no-one on earth I'm afraid of
And I will die with both my hands untied

I've been dreaming of a time when
The English are sick to death of Labour
And Tories, and spit upon the name of Oliver Cromwell
And denounce this royal line that still salute him
And will salute him forever

The bold bit is my emphasis.

Nothing to add to the above, except that I bought some gladioli in the co-op this afternoon.

I was relistening to that album in the car and I was thinking how he was desperately trying to catch the magic of please please let me get what I want...

and fails.

Hes like a tribute act to morrissey of 20yrs ago.

Well the hook line featuring 1939 Germany, certainly hooked a few, but the message got lost.

Wealth, celebrity and the London centric press. As for patriotism, only those who can afford to be dream the patriotic dream will do so after the games, while the rest slip back into the grim Winter reality of a failing economy. Overall there is nothing to be patriotic about.

I think the world would be a poorer place if it wasn't for the likes of Morrissey, John Lydon and others of their ilk. Yes they can be insufferable but they make life a bit more interesting than the bland fare served up by Cowell etc

Fantastic lyricist, musician and vocalist ... but a bit of a tool on the side, sadly.

Who will ever forget ‘Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me’ - all is, and will be - forgiven.

This charming man.

Awesome.

When the leather runs smooth on the passenger seat. Oh Smiths where are you? 🙁

I think he has a fair point about the gurning royals trying to cash in on the feel good factor same as Cameron desparately chasing around for a gold medal in the first few days. I also cringe everytime the crap tune is played. I also realised i have no idea what the second verse is when they played it at the opening.

he has a fair point about the gurning royals trying to cash in on the feel good factor

How much cash do think the gurning royals made from the feel good factor ?

As far I'm concerned, when he comes back and pays some tax and contributes to the cost of them then he can complain about them; I find him an offensive gobshite

Will etc are in a difficult spot.

Do you think they are definitely rabid ambitious royalists or possibly see why they exist?

Sadly because its better for the UK at the moment.

How much cash do think the gurning royals made from the feel good factor ?

if you need it explained in detail I'm not sure you'd understand.

Cameron desparately chasing around for a gold medal in the first few days.

Slight hijack, but according to that notorious rabid epicentre of left wing bleeding heart 'journalism', (they must believe it, they ran no less than four pieces on it!) Cameron was never going to be present at medal time:

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9438992/London-2012-Olympics-did-Tom-Daley-fall-victim-to-the-curse-of-Cameron.html ]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9438992/London-2012-Olympics-did-Tom-Daley-fall-victim-to-the-curse-of-Cameron.html[/url]

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/9441673/Move-over-Tutankhamen-beware-the-curse-of-Cameron.html ]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/9441673/Move-over-Tutankhamen-beware-the-curse-of-Cameron.html[/url]

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/9398505/London-2012-Gemma-Gibbons-loss-blamed-on-the-Curse-of-Cameron.html ]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/9398505/London-2012-Gemma-Gibbons-loss-blamed-on-the-Curse-of-Cameron.html[/url]

and indeed

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/9448209/London-2012-Olympics-Gemma-Gibbons-shrugs-off-curse-of-David-Cameron-and-celebrates-judo-silver.html ]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/9448209/London-2012-Olympics-Gemma-Gibbons-shrugs-off-curse-of-David-Cameron-and-celebrates-judo-silver.html[/url]

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DavidB - Member

the 2013 grotesque inevitability of Lord and Lady Beckham

I'm with him on that one.

Holy Cow! I agree with Morrisey.

if you need it explained in detail I'm not sure you'd understand.

No, but I might, so tell me anyway.

Or is the truth that you hadn't thought through what you were actually saying and don't know the answer?

Ernie- surely they made nothing as the civil list doesn't pay commission does it?

The royals are utterly reliant on public opinon, hence the need for jubilee extravs or a good wedding or being seen on the telly at the right time just the same as the politicos. They know they are an outdated idea on their last legs and so have to work hard on public opinion.

"cashing in" doesn't always involve cash.

Jeez.

It does if you are a bit simple.

They know they are an outdated idea on their last legs and so have to work hard on public opinion.

Well I didn't know that - it's complete news to me.

This revolutionary fervour amongst the masses to get rid of an outdated idea on its last legs appears to have gone right over my head.

Just one final push and the UK will be declared a republic eh ?

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"cashing in" doesn't always involve cash.

As anagallis_arvensis points out I'm a bit simple and I need that explained to me.

Well what other nations have kept their royals and how much have our royals changed their behaviour and tried to present a different outlook? If they tried to use any power what would happen?

Good change to your point by the way. Bravo, keep it up.

Morrissey is just expressing his *opinion* which he is entitled to, as are others to disagree. I think there is some truth in what he says although I think he overcooks it.

+1 for clubber

Good change to your point by the way. Bravo, keep it up.

I wasn't making a point, you were doing that - remember ?

Not really i got bored having to explain the blindingly obvious to you.

Shurrup you two or I'll be handing out some spankings. 😀

Well pardon me if the fact that the monarchy in Britain was on it's last legs wasn't blindingly obvious [i]to me[/i] 😐

Yes, you needed to explain that. And I doubt whether I was the only one who needed to hear that explained.

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Maybe he just saw the news with the sound off. Watching people waving union jacks, throwing things and getting chased could easilly be mistaken for an old fashion right wing rally...

Quite a good way for the nation to reclaim their flag I think.

[i]Morrissey is just expressing his *opinion* which he is entitled to[/i]

This doesn't bug me. Neither does his opinion. That Skynews report such a pointless thing bugs me a little.

You know what I thought I was trying to explain to you how the royals were cashing in. My memories not what it was though.

Quite a good way for the nation to reclaim their flag I think.

I agree. It's nice to see the Union Flag being flown without the negative nationalist/fascist connotations it's unfortunately gained over the years.

As a lyricist Morrissey is one of our very best. He describes the world as he sees it, and has he knows a lot of people see it but are unwilling or unable to say openly. He has human nature and the reality of living described better than any other lyricist I know.
But when it comes to songwriting his output was IMO far better when he worked with Johnny Marr than as a solo artist.
He also has a weakness for saying deliberately provocative things and standing back and watching the inevitable frothing that follows...
I;m always amused by the number of people who go mentally angry at the first mention of Morrissey but when you dig a little you find they don't actually own an album or have spent any time listening to his songs. They respond to the provocative persona he plays, and completely miss the fact they're being played with...
We need more artists like Morrissey