you have to make it happen for yourself regardless of time/era.
[b]again[/b] this is to just hint at or suggest the fact that if you dont have a job it is because you failed and it is your fault yet you know there are fewer jobs that there are unemployed.
Tired of this
Are there more unemployed jobs than jobs?
Can they all get jobs?
Why is it their fault if they cannot?
Sancho, the simple fact that you keep overlooking is that there aren't enough jobs to go around, and for a lot of people permanent or semipermanent unemployment is the future they face, irrespective of whether they can find the money to uproot and move elsewhere.
Coupled with the rise of the despicable zero hours contracts which make it impossible for folk to obtain a mortgage, and nearly as difficult to rent a property due to the increasing need to prove income when renting, the future prospects for a lot of people are looking worse than for many decades.
JY you are completely missing my point.
I am not bashing the unemployed Ive been there enough times
But what I am saying is that it can only be down to you to get a job. people dont wander around looking for you to give you a job.
so you can moan about being unemployed, I've done plenty of that, and blamed everyone in my time for me being made redundant when it wasnt fair etc.
but no one has ever just wandered up to me and given me a job, ive had to go round agencies, applied for jobs, rung round and had to keep doing it until I got a job. And that if you say its harder now than before is just a reality the unemployed have to face, it wont get any easier, and you have to keep doing it until you get what you want be that a basic job to get you by, or the graduate job that you have been aiming for. its the same now as ever. and that is up to you.
there have never been enough jobs to go round.
ive had to go round agencies, applied for jobs, rung round and had to keep doing it until I got a job
I'm sure that none of the 2.6 million unemployed are doing any of that. It probably hasn't occured to them at all. Any of it. Only to you. Perhaps you could set yourself up as a consultant, like that woman at A4E. She made a fortune.
After all, all you'll need to do is stand in any high street and just grab any of the 2.6 million people presently just '[i]wandering around waiting for someone to give them a job[/i]' 🙄
FFS binners, its different but there are still millions unemployed now as there has been for 30 years, and Im not trying to preach. I understand more than most the predicament of unemployment. and can see how hard the current jobs market is. and im not patronising people for being unemployed, or suggesting they are wandering around, waiting for work, that is what you are suggesting I am saying.
But what I am saying is that it can only be down to you to get a job. people dont wander around looking for you to give you a job.
Depends really pretty sure the old school tie network and nepotism still exist but yes i get your broader point
You have to try to win the Tour De France but it does not mean I will do this even if I try my best
there have never been enough jobs to go round.
There has been "full employment" in the past but before your time [ and mine to be fair]
of course if you dont try you wont get a job but the opposite is not necessarily true...ie effort will result in employment.
I work with the unemoloyed the vast majority want work, the vast majority are angry at being out of work and trying to get work. It has never ever been tougher to get work at any level and this is the first time i hav eknow where folk [ with transport] [repared to do anything cannot gurantee getting work
It is tough out there right now so just have some sympathy rather than say MTFU and try harder as it worked for me
I must be getting confused then. I often do. I'm not very bright.
Just re-reading your posts though, it seems that what you've just said you're [i]not[/i] saying, is [i]exactly[/i] what you are saying.
So could you just clarify: are you actually saying what you're not saying? Or are you not really saying what you are saying?
Sancho - Member
and im not patronising people for being unemployed, or suggesting they are wandering around, waiting for work, that is what you are suggesting I am saying.
I find the tone of your posts condescending and patronising, and I've got a job!
Plus
Sancho - Member
but no one has ever just wandered up to me and given me a job
Why put that in (twice) unless you were suggesting that is what some are doing?
i've come to the conclusion, through banging head on wall, that there is very very few vacancies compared to those looking for work-- i refuse to get frothed up, chasing imaginary jobs, hopes dashed, the feeling of despair at not having money to do much, ---no , i will ride my bike, free in the knowledge that i am lucky to go out when i wish,not constrained by time or commitments-- and why should i not--after all it keeps me sane and healthy , ready for a return to the workforce when things improve/luck turns my way....
junkyard, I have sympathy for the unemployed more than people on here will understand and i agree with you totally, and Im not saying MTFU.
junkyard, I have sympathy for the unemployed more than people on here will understand and i agree with you totally, and Im not saying MTFU.
well, if thats the case, you seem to have a strange way of showing it.....
Ive been unemployed many times and been in your position rudebwoy so I know how you feel.
In that case, I'd recommend that you don't pursue a career in bereavement counseling
Though I've now become convinced that you are actually [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Harrison_%28entrepreneur%29 ]Emma Harrison[/url]
I dont know who she is, and again dont patronise me on bereavement as I have had to deal with a lot of that in my family.
sancho-- we all have different circumstances, but never berate someone who is unemployed-- like kicking sand in a babies face--its not big, its not clever...you need to turn your ire on a system that encourages division, low pay, poor terms and conditions and all for the benefit of those who have plenty.....
I havent berated anyone for being unemployed.
At least 4 people have read your posts in that way, perhaps you should me more delicate in your phrasing. And how is 'I'd recommend that you don't pursue a career in bereavement counseling' patronising you on bereavement? In the context of the conversation it's pretty obvious that's not what he was doing.
and I am not trying to aim any ire at the forum. just passing on my view of what Ive had to do in the 80's 90's and 00's.
as unemployment is something ive had to deal with regularly.
...merely informed them that they're lazy, and if they actually tried harder, instead of sitting around waiting for a job to land in their laps, then they would all be in gainful employment. All 2.6 million of them. As that's what it was like in 1986, and its no different now!
No... it doesn't sound remotely like berating, at all
lifer i take it that binners suggests that i have no support or sympathy for people dealing with bereavement. so I take it that way and find it offensive.
where do you get that from binners, you dont half fill in some blanks
I'm filling in blanks? You appear to be two different people who are alternating every few posts, unaware what the other one just typed.
And for that reason, I'm out.
I havent ever suggested the unemployed are lazy or not trying to find work, you are suggesting that, I have tried to explaing how hard it is to find work and the efforts I have had to go through, you then suggest I am saying everyone is lazy etc.
But what I am saying is that it can only be down to you to get a job.
I'm sure the 1700+ people that applied for 8 new jobs at one Costa disagree. [url= https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=costa%201700%20applicants&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=12aa70344db8feb4&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45368065,d.d2k&biw=816&bih=602 ]Link[/url]
You can apply for as many jobs as you like but when hundreds of others are going for the same job it's down to a little more than just you.
I'm filling in blanks? You appear to be two different people who are alternating every few posts, unaware what the other one just typed.And for that reason, I'm out.
+1
well best give up then it impossible to get a job clearly.
Sancho - Member
lifer i take it that binners suggests that i have no support or sympathy for people dealing with bereavement. so I take it that way and find it offensive.
You're taking it wrong.
sancho-- there are others in this world with experiences of hardship and woe, its not good to tell them to try harder-- if you could see to it that i wasn't blacklisted for most of my working life, i'm sure that might assist in me getting more opportunities-- but really, it is not wise to foist your own experiences onto everyone else's predicament...comprende ?
well best give up then it impossible to get a job clearly.
Well it is impossible for all of them as their are fewer jobs than people applying
it is not impossible to win the Tour de france but that does not mean I can do it.
etc
What I can’t get my head around is this. The tory attitude is that they are the uber mensch, the leaders, the drivers of the economic power house, and you are either one of them or an unter mensch, a pleb, cannon fodder, idle, good for nothing.
So it is a very small step from there to “we are in charge and you are irrelevant” from a tory perspective. So given that, where does this “it’s the workers fault” attitude come from? Personally, if I believed that I was one of the chosen people I’d be very embarrassed and keep very quiet while the shits hitting the fan as it is now.
Berm Bandit - Member
So given that, where does this “it’s the workers fault” attitude come from?
Years and years and years of people credulously swallowing it and repeating it and reinforcing it. Then using the completely unrepresentative stories in the tabloids (Philpott et al) as proof.
Berm Bandit - Member
So given that, where does this “it’s the workers fault” attitude come from?
Hang over from the years of union demonisation- jobs are lost due to the unreasonable demands, both financial and working practices, demanded by the workers via the unions which lead to the destruction of industry in these isles.
If it wasn't for the saving grace of the Financial Industry in the Square Mile, and the resultant trickle down service industry job creation we'd all be on the dole.
I imagine it comes from the same half wits who think 'it's all the tories fault'
theocb - Member
I imagine it comes from the same half wits who think 'it's all the tories fault'
The people who think it's all the workers fault also think it's all the tories' fault?
Talk about cognitive dissonance.
I imagine it comes from the same half wits who think 'it's all the tories fault'
Nah..... pretty sure its the half wits who think that
...... or in fact that its actually in the square mile any longer, or even that its any form of saving grace for anyone apart from the very few self serving pricks who benefit from it.the saving grace is the Financial Industry in the Square Mile
EDIT: I hold shares in Lloyds TSB, and have personally lost substantially as a result of that, my penison fund is currently severely damaged as a result of the Financial Services industries malpractice, and as a stakeholder in GB plc, I dread to think what share of the umpteen billion used to bail said industry out is going to come from the sweat of my brow. So I'm not being flippant or dogamtic in the above response, merely truthful.
Nope. definately the half wits who think everything is the tories fault.
And yes Lifer the half wits also think 'it's all the workers fault'
Half wits don't have to all have the same opinion you know.. there are half wits at both ends of the spectrum; never seems like we get much chatter from the middle on these threads though does it?
If it wasn't for the saving grace of the Financial Industry in the Square Mile
So the financial industry is going to save us, is it?
Like when RBS, now state owned, provided the finance to Kraft, an American firm, for a leveraged buyout of Cadbury. Who on completion of the takeover close down the British manufacturing, moving it to Poland, and throwing all the British staff out of work
I'm guesssing here, but those ex-Cadbury employes probably wish the Financial Industry hadn't so bravely ridden to their rescue
Once again, the tongue-in-cheekness of my post seems to have disappeared during typing. 😕
I thought we were playing Colin Murray's 'defend the indefensible' 😉
It did allow me to illustrate the utter and complete madness of this countries financial sector. And somewhat unbelievable that some people, unfortunately the ones in power, seem to actually believe the statement you sarcastically made, despite all evidence to the contrary. Depressing
binners you mean the factory that in 2007 Cadbury (before being bought by Kraft) had confirmed would be closed by 2010.
Kraft then did what cadbury had planned to do in 2011, so your ill informed comments would make a forum reader like myself believe that all was well in Cadbury before the take over and as a result of bank intervention with Kraft with the takeover the fatory was closed.
never seems like we get much chatter from the middle on these threads though does it?
why thank you for ploughing the middle ground then and bringing a moment of sense and clarity to the debate by calling some folk half wits 😕
This whole page is obvious trolls are obvious tbh
Credit the nonworkingclasses with a bit more nouse please.
The "lazy" unemployed signed on the sick years ago,it pays better.
Sancho - you're saying that British taxpayers providing funds to foreign companies to buy British firms is a good thing? It seems like the very definition of insanity to me!
And You think that's the end of the redundancies, do you? The end of moving production offshore? I wish I shared your confidence. Because American multinationals don't have much track record for that kind of thing, do they? Bearing in mind that the Kraft management were asked to provide guarantees at the time, but refused.
And where are the tax revenues now going? That were coming into the exchequer before?
Its complete madness!!
there you go filling in the blanks again.
No Binners I dont think any of the above
I merely pointed out how your previous comment was misleading.
but you do tend to fill in what you want to believe.
I dont like Kraft as an organisation or how they operate. Is it the end of the redundancies, I have heard that there is development planned for other parts of Cadbury, but I cant comment on how that will materialise in the future.
I dont like how companies can buy the debts of other companies to then call in that debt and effectiveyl bankrupt a company only to buy the bankrupt company as what happened to Clinton cards (I think)
do you know where the revenues are going?
are they posting a profit in the uk?
can you advise on this factually or will you make something up? 😉
