He wasn't fired, he was made redundant (entirely plausible in the current economic climate).
For all the people who tout irrefutable science for 'man made' climate change (as is this mans beliefs), the Law has deemed it akin to religion!
No its not selfish to have more than one child. When I can afford children, I'll be getting down to some serious reproduction! Until then its practice, practice, practice. 😉
No.
Susie you sound like you need to get laid.
i find people who do not want or like children somewhat strange and odd.
trying to quell a human beings natural functions and urges is not err natural.
just wrong..
I don't have kids and am not that bothered (neither is the wife) about having them. I pay more taxes than people who have kids and i do not put pressure on schools,nhs etc.
A tax break would be nice as we are not putting pressure on the system!
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Why, thanks, Ton 🙂
I've found that middle-aged people that haven't had kids stemming from a philosophical, religious, environmental, economic standpoint really regret it! But that's in my experience.
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The world population in the 50's was 2.5 billion, it is now approaching 7 billion. Where I live, farm land has recently been sold to builders, I'm sure that is probably happening throughout the UK and the world. How large does the population have to get before you are worried about how we and future generation are going to be able to feed ourselves?
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before you are worried about how we and future generation are going to be able to feed ourselves?
Darwinian Survival of the Fittest, now thats selfishness in action!
(edit:i cant be bothered)
MetalHeart, no kids, single maybe, member of alsorts of 'groups'?
edit, too late....tut tut tut
Population does not need to be reduced. When it does need to be reduced it will.
It really is very simple, what some here are really saying that they would like it reduced so there are more resources for them and the things they like will not be used up or destroyed by others.
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I'm sorry but if the likes of me and Teej have contributed taxes all these ****in years putting your sprogs through education, hospital, etc then damn if them brats cant wipe up our skiddy drawers and mop our dribbling chins in our dotage.It the least they can do. ingrates.
When you're in a care home because you're too old and insane to look after yourself, and because you've no family to do so either. Then someone else's child will be the one mopping your chin and wiping your wrinkly arse.
I'm beginning to bite my finger Ton.
Reducing population is thus the most selfless thing you can do and having children the most selfish.
hardly - there are certainly far more useful things you could do like inventing usable fusion power or shooting Jermy Clarkson (soz Jez). For that matter, by that measurement it would be selfless to commit mass murder and then suicide - in fact "terrorism" would become the new path of the Messiah! I feel my (2) kids are the best things I've ever done, not as self promotion but for who they are - and I gave a big chunk of my life to bringing them up as well and happily as I could. We cannot say how the human experiment will turn out, but I'm not willing to abandon it just yet...
Interesting one. Regardless of the sustainability question (we, the West, need to reduce consumption; China, India & Africa need to curb population growth and develop in a better fashion) I have no real desire to have kids. I don't find them cute, adorable or want to spend time with them. I like my niece & nephew - they're good fun but too rowdy for me to (want to) cope with all the time. All the "Oh its not the same when they're yours" nonsense - of course its not, I [b]have[/b] to deal with it then, sure there'll be plenty happy times but I like my peace, quiet and 'me time'. So which is more selfish - not wanting kids so I don't have to deal with them, or having kids for my edification? Both. Neither.
Add to that I really believe the 'future being a good place to be' is hanging in the balance and it doesn't add up to wanting kids.
Stopping health care after, say, 75yrs old - that would be a better answer. I know its not realistic and way too emotive to deal with, but its the aging of our population which is screwing us over in more way than one right now.
[i]Darwinian Survival of the Fittest, now thats selfishness in action! [/i]
Did Darwin factor in WMD? People on the edge of survival don't die quietly.
And when you are being stitched up in A and E after a headplant off your bike will you protest that someones kids are treating you?
Hang on, isn't going out biking a rather selfish indulgence?
Our third child was born on Friday, got to get some more use out of the bike trailer 😆
A very proud Daddy of three wonderful children
Add to that I really believe the 'future being a good place to be' is hanging in the balance and it doesn't add up to wanting kids.
If I read that correctly then you are using the same reasoning as people in the 60s had for not wanting kids, except then it was nuclear destruction that they were looking forward to.
I had twins, which one do I have to give up?
"Hang on, isn't going out biking a rather selfish indulgence? "
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As is wasting resources having a pointless debate on the internet.
teagirl - you are a bit daft and your thoughts a bit simple! Please reread and add something to the debate that mounts to a reasoned argument.
Hang on, you're a mother so all your reasoned and rational thoughts dribbled out of your womb many years ago!
[i](You are very close to a ban Mod)[/i]
to all you neysayers...........
do you think the inny and outy bits were put there for you to rub and touch..............ffs
get with the program, you wizened, dried up deserts of people...... 🙄
As is wasting resources having a pointless debate on the internet.
who decides when it's pointless ? And does everything have to have a point ? What the point of MTB ?
get with the program, you wizened, dried up deserts of people...
I don't agree with this either - leave reproduction to those that want to do it, and let those that don't - die out in peace
I like kids, but just because i don't want any why is this a problem?
Do all you breeders feel jealous of all the free time i have to enjoy MY life!?
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my being the key word soops........ 😉
SLF
No, not Stiff Little Fingers, but, Selfish Lazy ****ers - most of our friends without kids are 50% likely to be single and far too many of them are SLF's.
Hate to think what they'll be like when they are older, they're bad enough in their 40's.
correct. got some sweet nephews/nieces thoughno kids
correct. I am just sooooo selfish...single
I was a Warlord Secret Agent, does that count?member of alsorts of 'groups'
correct. thats exactly what i meant.When you're in a care home because you're too old and insane to look after yourself, and because you've no family to do so either. Then someone else's child will be the one mopping your chin and wiping your wrinkly arse.
I have two kids and I couldn't care less what anyone thinks of my choices.
why are we feeding the trolls?
Having children has, and is, the most selfless thing we've ever done in life.
just don't come into it! My biking has to fit into my families life, still, my lack of osteoporosis won't be a drain on the NHS! 😀My
cos it passes your sad boring evening...........jools
When you're in a care home because you're too old and insane to look after yourself, and because you've no family to do so either. Then someone else's child will be the one mopping your chin and wiping your wrinkly arse.
I wouldn't wish that on anyone, least of all my own, and fully intend to kill myself before that can come about
Do all you breeders feel jealous of all the free time i have to enjoy MY life!?
not in the least - I prefer being me :o)
do you think the inny and outy bits were put there for you to rub and touch..............ffs
seems to work pretty well, aye 🙂
But why is it a problem if i want to enjoy myself and not have kids?
My nephews think i am a great uncle, and i enjoy spending quality time with them.
I think some people just don't have the maternal urge.
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Cos of the kids you mean, oh yeah I forgot..
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Back to tons original post. Yes that bloke sounds like a tool!
I still don't want kids though, and that doesn't change who i am.
I am still a kid myself and i am 37! 😉
What a [b]very[/b] bizarre thread. I'm convinced most STW'ers could start an argument in an empty room... 😯
[selfish b'stard]Married, two kids[/selfish b'stard].
Teagirl, why on earth do you think you have been selfless?
Being selfless would be not actually wanting to be a parent but it being decided (god knows by whom) that your genes in particular need propergating and you begrudgenly go through with it for the greater good.
Being selfless would be really, really wanting to experience the highs and lows of being a parent yourself but electing to not do so and investing the cash and time otherwise spent on children in supporting someone else have that experience because you think they would be better at it than you.
What you have done (I presume) is decide you would like to experience being a parent and then have done so. From what every parent I know keeps telling me it's a life choice that is hard work and requires sacrafice, but is ulimately hugely rewarding. I'm struggling to see where you have been selfless.
Convert, my selflessness stems from bringing up my children, giving up my time, energy and finances to bring on the next generation. Watching them grow is priceless, encouraging them to understand how the world and it's inhabitants work, see and accept differing perspectives, make the right decisions, hoping their education is well-balanced.
It's my 8yr olds birthday today, it's been a joy watching him and his siblings making a Lego Star-Wars landing craft. Sadly I'll have to give up this entertainment and put them all to bed...........
From, Rose tinted glasses,grey matter left in delivery suite. 😉
This is why population control rarely gets raised in global warming debates. For some reason people get very excited. It is blindingly obvious that a rapidly shrinking population would solve climate/resource problems much more easily than any other approach.
How about trading 'offspring' rather than carbon? Selfish (and why not) rich people could buy the rights to extra children off poor people solving world poverty at the same time. The poor of the world will be most affected by climate change so as an added bonus they'll be gone in a generation.
Excellent thread! Not sure that whether people are being selfish or not really matters. It's a selfish choice whichever way you go. I've got 3 kids and we had them because we wanted them.
Many people who choose not to have kids are being self-indulgent and fair play to them if they would rather spend their cash on toys for themselves instead of kids. I'd be loaded if I didn't have kids so I can see the attraction.
The problem of numbers of kids in this country and most of the western world isn't an issue as the avarage has fallen below 2.1 so we are only maintaining our levels its the third world countrys adn the emerging ones where they have lots per couple.
I love my kids and are currently planning on more plus i see all of my time as me time its just that some of it happens to revolve around my kids some my wife aand some me (with the rest going to work 😉 )
