On R4 - quite interesting. I'm still constantly amazed at the number of people I know in the 2nd decade of the 21st century who seem fixated by having meat product with every meal.
Why are you amazed that some people choose to have meat?
That's not what he said.
I eat meat, though very little red meat, but I wouldn't have a huge problem with giving it up. My 13 year old daughter would be pleased if I did, she's been a vegetarian (and a very strict one at that) since she was 5.
Oh no, THAT debate is going to start isn't it 🙁
Please say it's not....
My missus is vegetarian and I do all the cooking. With a bit of imagination/effort you can make some great vege food, and I only very rarely resort to tofu/quorn etc. I do still generally eat meat when out for a meal or something though.
Just listened to it whilst chopping logs, being a veg of 22+ years (since i got my own place at 19) he's preaching to the converted in me but an interesting listen none the less - i'll check it out later on Iplayer as i missed some of it though.
I'm still [b]constantly amazed [/b]at the number of people I know in the 2nd decade of the 21st century who seem fixated by having meat product with every meal.
Why ?
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That's not what he said.
Indeed it isn't. Not reading OP fail.
Other than that, what grum said.
But mmmmmmm.... bacon.....
Haha Ian - that guy's so unintentionally hilarious.
aP, why are you so amazed?
We have a culture of food built around meals with meat. Where/ what would be a cause for change?
Oh, I'm not by any stretch vegetarian, I just choose when I want to eat meat product rather than being so unimaginative to start with meat product as the default constant in every meal.
Funny that some people choose when to have meat too.
Our god given right to eat meat product in every meal dates back less than 70 years. It's a bit like talking about haggis and tartan in Scotland being anything else than Victorian cultural constructs.
What, it's a right now? Going back only 70 years.
This eating meat thing is confusing, no wonder some people choose not to.
Your making me hungry...
I'm off to tescos to get some horse burgers.
With a bit of imagination/effort you can make some great vege food
Dont be daft everyone knows it is nothing but bland as bland can be he says tucking into some vegan banana bread ...YUK tastes like cardboard you wont want any 😉
Our god given right to eat meat product in every meal dates back less than 70 years.
I dunno about a right, but we've been designed for the past 5000 years* / evolved over hundreds of millennia** as omnivores
*god given / **not got given
You'd think the amazement might fade after encountering the characteristic a few times.
Not sure we're designed/evolved enough for meat every day though*, or are we?
*thankfully Tesco's supply chain is.
for thousands of years, man eats meat. In the last hundred years we start taking nutritional advice from a bass player
Not sure we're designed/evolved enough for meat every day though*, or are we?
It doesn't seem to be doing the majority of the western world much harm.
EDIT: And for that matter, Asia, Africa and South America appear to be the places where it's hardest to be vegetarian
The trouble is, every time I hear or see Macca, it brings out a primeval urge to kill something.
zokes your right we seem to have weight well under control with out current diet. Good point well made 😉
FWIW I found Asia pretty easy what with hindus and Buddhists and they had staple [traditional] meals that were veggie
Been a vegetarian for over 45 years (ie most of my life)
Even now in this day and age, there seems to be predominantly two basic reactions when dining out with people for the first time :-
1. ( you can see this written on their faces) - Vegetarian ??? - but he looks so normal ! followed by the furtive surreptitious glances to see if I have cross-eyes or webbed fingers.
2. The Super aplogetic people who stumble over themselves in an effort to make out that they've virtually vegetarian.
I really really couldn't give a damn what anyone else eats - it's entirely upto them !
P.s. I'm actually allergic to red meat & don't like the texture or taste of anything that crawls out of the sea.
So not a 'moral' vegetarian.
Chris
Asia
If we take China out, I'd have thought a fair proportion would be veggie, no?
... don't like the texture or taste of anything that crawls out of the sea.
There's your mistake don't eat anything that crawls out of the sea (turtle, alligator, seal), eat stuff that swims in the sea and is wrenched out in a net or on a hook, they taste much nicer
Dont be daft everyone knows it is nothing but bland as bland can be he says tucking into some vegan banana bread ...YUK tastes like cardboard you wont want any
Note I said vege not vegan. 😉
We are designed to eat meat and veg so I presume nature did that for a good reason. Seems a shame to go against evolution to me.
Nature didn't design us. We adapted. But we were fine just on plants too. Many would argue that our gut and colon haven't quite caught up with our level of meat consumption yet. Another few millennia might see us fine, if we still have the available land to support the intensive farming that will be required.
We are designed to [s]eat meat and veg[/s]walk and run so I presume nature did that for a good reason. Seems a shame to go against evolution to me and ride bikes
FTFY
evolutionary adaptation will mean that over generations, vegetation eyes will start to move to the sides of their heads, like all prey animals. Soon they will gather in herds for protection and the oldest and slowest will be devoured by solo atkinsonsian evolved meat eaters. The future is bleak
aP, why are you so amazed?
We [s]have a culture of food[/s] [b]are a species adapted to eating both meat and veg [s][/b]built around meals with meat.[/s]
FIFY 🙂
to be fair, based on the dental structure we're more adapted to eat fruit and insects.
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You didn't I'm afraid.
meat is tasty and nutritious
and yet they recommend how much fruit and veg we should eat per day and not how much meat
Soon they will gather in herds for protection and the oldest and slowest will be devoured by solo atkinsonsian evolved meat eaters
I think they will have a heart attack before they catch me...its either that or I become wind powered or I am able to produce enough wind to knock them out
Milk production is just as big a cause of cruelty to cattle as meat production, if anybody is motivated by the cruelty issue.
those Beanfeasts produce so much stinky windpower it's unhealthy. Soya is not the way forward!
To be fair, the future is bleaker for meat eaters.
What does that mean DD? meat eaters always have the option of converting to non-meat eating. and the pure and righteous moralising that goes with it.