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A Indian restaurant in town wouldn’t serve alcohol but they allowed you to bring your own with corkage fee, you had to pour it yourself. Didn’t feel it was odd as they chose not to touch it due their religion.
Why are you spelling it Moslem? None of the Muslims I know would spell or pronounce it like that.
Why are you spelling it Moslem? None of the Muslims I know would spell or pronounce it like that.
Both are fine as I normally prefer Muslim but certain people write them as Moslem. To be consistent with OP I just write Moslem to avoid confusion. Most in Islamic countries tend to use the term Muslim rather than Moslem. The latter seem to be recent phenomena.
All part of the trolling I would suspect but best not to interact really.
Why are you spelling it Moslem?
Don't feed the Troll
Both are fine as I normally prefer Muslim but certain people write them as Moslem. To be consistent with OP I just write Moslem to avoid confusion. Most in Islamic countries tend to use the term Muslim rather than Moslem. The latter seem to be recent phenomena.
Both really aren't fine. Muslim Council of Britain requested that the Daily Mail stopped spelling it like that when they were the last media hold out in 2004. Would you call a black person a negro?
Phonetically, the arabic word pronounced 'Muslim' means someone devoted to god. 'Moslem' means someone 'evil or unjust'. So there is a bit of a difference, I'd say.
Was she selling any Ray guns?
Perhaps she was worried about the Lazer from the scanner*
*niche joke for STW long serving members with good memories and tendency to join in on weird threads
Oh shit chewkw has turned up, its only going downhill from here. close it now!!
So I spoke with my Muslim colleague. At length, I've just got off the phone in fact. I'll try and distil an hour and a half into a paragraph.
The crux of it was "these aren't things we're supposed to hate." He said that someone objecting to handling alcohol in the manner the OP describes could probably happen but would very much be in a minority. He told me if he'd encountered this situation he'd have given her a bit of religious coaching [my terminology, I forget how he phrased it but basically suggesting to her that she'd got it wrong] and tell her that the she was there to do a job and should be doing it.
So there you go. Straight from the mouth of one of your actual Muslims and one of the nicest blokes it's ever been my pleasure to know, relayed to you by a grumpy white atheist who likes to argue with strangers on the Internet. HTH.
Is he a shiite, sufi, sunni, wahabi? I suspect that there is no such thing as muslim anymore than there is a Christian. Christians don't agree on the sacrament, why would islam be any different?
That's even if you exclude the Saudis that deplane in Bahrain and make straight for the alcohol but won't let their wives or daughters drive. People, eh?
To be fair it doesn't really matter whether (we think) her personal beliefs accord with (what we understand of) her religion and what a majority of her Muslim peers would do. She has a strongly-held personal belief and her work is accommodating that.
FWIW I don't think that's any more or less reasonable than believing in a Christian God with zero evidence. In fact I'll go a step further - alcohol is kinda bad for individuals and society as a whole so that particular belief seems more rational to me ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Phonetically, the arabic word pronounced ‘Muslim’ means someone devoted to god. ‘Moslem’ means someone ‘evil or unjust’. So there is a bit of a difference, I’d say.
That's new to me as I thought it was just a western pronunciation with the same meaning.
Oh shit chewkw has turned up, its only going downhill from here. close it now!!
😆
In light of recent events (that other thread wot I closed) I'll be watching this very carefully, but if it interferes with my movie night then I'm pulling the trigger.
but if it interferes with my movie night t
Passion of the Christ or Submission?
Wonder what would have happened if all the checkout personnel were muslims & took the same stance, & then the self service checkouts got overloaded with work?
I'd go somewhere else.
A lad I worked with in the prison service was a devout muslim. Until he went on any 'works do' then he wasn't as devout as earlier on in the evening.
Debbie does dallas?
That’s new to me as I thought it was just a western pronunciation with the same meaning.
It was until not too long ago largely due to western conceit/ignorance. Then people who actually spoke arabic pointed out the difference. Someone who spoke arabic explained it to me once, it's pretty complicated. I didn't entirely understand it at the time and don't remember most of it but Moslem is related to different tenses of darkness and unjust or is a verb for one and adjective for the other or something. So yeah, muslim is someone who submits to the will of God, Moslem is dark and unjust or some variation
Debbie does dallas?
Original or remake?
The latter seem to be recent phenomena.
No, it's an old one. And when pronounced by English speaking people, it sounds very insulting to people who understand Arabic. It might have propped up recently in the bits of the internets where being 'accidentally' insulting about Muslims is seen as fun... I'd suggest avoiding that stuff and not spreading it.
So I spoke with my Muslim colleague. At length, I’ve just got off the phone in fact. I’ll try and distil an hour and a half into a paragraph.
Someone in your HR department is currently having palpitations that you have just asked a Muslim to explain the actions of all other Muslims and managed to keep this conversation going for 90 minutes...
Is he a shiite, sufi, sunni, wahabi?
I've no idea. I'll ask him if you can convince me it's relevant to anything.
Someone in your HR department is currently having palpitations that you have just asked a Muslim to explain the actions of all other Muslims and managed to keep this conversation going for 90 minutes…
Meanwhile, back in the real world, I spent 90 minutes going "yes... right... uh-huh..." as it was a subject he loves to talk about and I couldn't get him off the phone. And I didn't ask him to "explain all Muslims," I asked him what his experiences were.
Most UK muslims are sunni. Asking if he's wahabi seems a bit odd given what Cougar said about his responses - it's kinda like asking a Christian if they are Westboro Baptists.
Oh, I have a mildly boring Tesco / alcohol tale.
Years ago, I went to Tesco to buy amongst other things some alcohol-free beer. As I recall, my then-girlfriend was on antibiotics at the time. This was like 1am and back in the day when licensing laws restricted alcohol sales to certain times of the day but I figured, alcohol free right?
Got to the checkout with an armful of Becks Blue only to be told they couldn’t sell me alcohol. I pointed out that it was alcohol free, she went “oh yeah” and scanned it, to be met with ‘computer says no.’ I protested, she dragged over a supervisor.
The supervisor told me that, even though it was alcohol-free, there would actually be traces of alcohol in the beer and that’s why they couldn’t sell it to me. I pointed out the tub of “vodka and chilli” pasta sauce that they’d already processed quite happily and offered to go and get a few bottles of shandy down for her to try and scan, to which she replied, “I’ll get the manager.”
I declined. I figured there’s probably not a lot a store manager could do to override what is presumably a barcode cataloguing error and in any case they probably had better things to be doing at 1am. Besides which, it wasn’t sufficiently big a deal to be making a fuss about.
They gave me their customer services address which was somewhere in Glasgow, I was going to write to them not as a complaint – both staff were lovely and agreed with me that it was just a bit odd – but out of curiosity as to whether this was intentional and what the reasoning was. Then apathy inevitably set in and I never bothered.
Coolest story EVAH!
Same happened to me buying Nanny State at 2300 in Cumbernauld. Unlike your lazy arse I did go and find out and it would appear (after reading the label or something) that it's classified as alcohol for VAT purposes despite probably having less than a bottle of shandy.
Did I shit in someone’s cornflakes on Monday or something?
No, it was a bowl of popcorn.
Oh ****!
MAAARK!
The Muslim and Moslim thing seems like a bit of a language oversight. Especially with how close U and O are on a keyboard. Somebody didn’t think things through when they created the Arabic language did they? Yes I’m looking at you early peoples of the Arabian Peninsula. Did you not thing of how small a smartphone keyboard is and how shire predictive text can be?
The Muslim and Moslim thing seems like a bit of a language oversight.
Muslim and Moslem.
Yep, that one too Tom!
I’ve no idea. I’ll ask him if you can convince me it’s relevant to anything.
The point is, like most things religious, the devil is in the details. His version of Islam is different to the cashier's, if s/he exists. His attempt to educate her in his particular subset is as likely going to be received as well as everytime the anglican archbishop tried to explain to the pope that they'd had it wrong all along, it was a typo and the word was actually celebrate.
kinda like asking a Christian if they are Westboro Baptists.
Well.spotted. and exactly the point.
His version of Islam is different to the cashier’s, if s/he exists.
Is it reasonable to assume that geography would influence this though? Are two people sharing the same local shop either as employee or customer more likely to be of the same branch?
Is it reasonable to assume that geography would influence this though?
That's a good question. You could argue, I suppose, that immigration patterns tend towards people with shared background (be it country/culture of origin or religion etc). Gravitating towards a particular area. Although staff might come from further away than customers based on socioeconomic factors. Plus sharing a religion doesn't guarantee in any way sharing beliefs.
I've been on stw for around 10 years and have seen some brilliant posts in my time. But kilo's comment was absolute genius..post of the decade for me for sure!
This thread deserves to stay open simply so others can see it..
One thing which I think needs pointing out is a few weeks ago some bike brands took a rightful stand against racism and social justice and most recently wideopen magazine. What it lead to was a bunch of morons claiming this was a welcoming sport and no one is racist and it's all rosy - the last few posts on this site clearly say the opposite. It makes me ashamed to think there are people with views like this in something I love so much
You could argue, I suppose, that immigration patterns tend towards people with shared background
I was thinking more that people living local to each other might share the same mosque (church, synagogue, insert place of worship here) and so receive the same teachings.
the last few posts on this site clearly say the opposite.
Which posts are those?
joepud what you on about?
As above really an issue for Tesco and employee. If you don't like their customer service go elsewhere.
I suspect a lot taken out of context. Meanwhile Kilo, ho ho ho.
and so receive the same teachings.
Ah, I see where you're coming from. Yes, that makes sense as far as it goes. Don't know a lot about mosques but if what my grandmother used to say about the church council meetings is anything to go by, they didn't agree on much, including theology, so I suspect most religious places are the same. Much like the US and england are divided by a common language. There will probably be groups within the group who place differing emphasis on differing bits so even though the teachings are common the actual belief isn't.
joepud what you on about?
Well I don't know if the op was a joke but some of the views here haven't exactly (in my opinion anyway) been the most inclusive. And the trans post which got closed was hardly a glowing reference for how inclusive mountain bikers are. On a phone with a broken hand can't be bothered to track through this lot. But just my opinion.
It makes me ashamed to think there are people with views like this in something I love so much
Take up golf?
Jeez just realized the OP is the rivnut/towball guy.
Can someone let me know if the 4 pages are amusing enough to read? I'm hopeful.
And the trans post which got closed was hardly a glowing reference for how inclusive mountain bikers are.
People ride mountain bikes, lots of them. Some of those people are going to be dicks. Your statement is no different to all football fans are hooligans. Some people who enjoy mountain biking will be nice, open minded individuals and some won't.
can I mention the time I cried on my trainers in Sainsburys?
You'll never be a guide dog with that attitude.
I’ve been on stw for around 10 years and have seen some brilliant posts in my time. But kilo’s comment was absolute genius..post of the decade for me for sure!
This thread deserves to stay open simply so others can see it..
I thoroughly agree
Jeez just realized the OP is the rivnut/towball guy.
I've not even opened that thread. Does it need reviewing?
This forum does have some users that have opinions that are definitely "a little abrasive". However, it's the only "social media" I actually participate in as it's genuinely a digital utopia in comparison to almost everything else out there.
Take up golf?
Yeh because that's the answer rather than challenge people whos views are just wrong for 2020.