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93.6Kg to 92.2Kg since last monday.
That's a decent, sustainable loss. 1.4kg in 8 days is 64kg a year, so you'll be a whippet by Easter.
But are you? There are all kinds of micronutrients that interact with each other in all kinds of different ways and that can't be resproduced in a lab/factory. Perhaps there's some trace element that they forgot, so you're not getting it.Oh come on give me a break, how do you know your getting all your nutrients!!! You haven't got the faintest idea whats happened with your food, or what perservatives have been added to them, or where your cows been grazing etc etc etc. So don't give me that.
A Lab and scientific research works on proof. They can't just go writing on the box false information! The FDA wouldn't allow it.
Look i urge people to just forget it. get back to idave and lets crack on with our lives.
and no i don't have time to make elabrate meals in the morning or dinner. I know my daily routine, and i'm intelligent enough to realise that i'm getting more out of my life and health by the methods i choose.
I stick sausages in the George Foreman, then put some eggs in a pan and scramble them. It's not exactly gourmet but it's compliant, filling and pretty quick.
As for the carbs and hunger - I experience this too. I find that sometimes I just can't eat enough legumes or root veg, and if I don't get enough carbs I start feeling pretty down and hungry. When I was riding quite a bit in the last job I had some chocolate bars now and then which didn't seem to hinder weight loss much and made it a lot easier to do my riding. Now and then I'll have a sweet latte or a bit of cake (maybe twice a week) which helps redress the balance. However I don't think that's necessarily a good way of kicking the sugar [i]habit[/i].
Also a scoop of protein shake has a tremendous effect on hunger. It's satisfying, and really satisfies even if I am very hungry. To the point where I think there must be some sugar in it.
I thought you were leaving?
Oh come on give me a break, how do you know your getting all your nutrients!!! You haven't got the faintest idea whats happened with your food, or what perservatives have been added to them, or where your cows been grazing etc etc etc. So don't give me that.
True. Hence the varied diet, eating proper food.
A Lab and scientific research works on proof. They can't just go writing on the box false information! The FDA wouldn't allow it.
Two studies ( http://www.nutritionj.com/content/7/1/23 and http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1742-1241.2008.01965.x/abstract) have shown no advantage to using Herbalife for weight loss, compared with a placebo.
Look i urge people to just forget it. get back to idave and lets crack on with our lives.
Happy to.
and no i don't have time to make elabrate meals in the morning or dinner. I know my daily routine, and i'm intelligent enough to realise that i'm getting more out of my life and health by the methods i choose.
Different priorities for different people. I'm happy to spend a bit longer and eat real food.
You haven't got the faintest idea whats happened with your food, or what perservatives have been added to them
I do, actually.
the loss of flatulence
lol - jesus I've been dropping huge quantities of uber nasties, I just blamed it on the massive quantities of beans and pulses I've been eating, must have been the white bread cheating I did last week.
I know a lot of people are well "signed up" to the iDave ethos, but no need to gang up on hrcmonty. It isn't like he's been trying to tell you the iDave plan is wrong or you should buy Herbalife.
I would say each to their own, if it works for him fair enough and no reason why he can't add to the discussion on an open forum?
Statistically insignificant.
that's not a stick you want to be prodding this particular excel monkey with 😉
64kg a year
to paraphrase Mr Hancock : "That's nearly a legful!"
I know a lot of people are well "signed up" to the iDave ethos, but no need to gang up on hrcmonty. It isn't like he's been trying to tell you the iDave plan is wrong or you should buy Herbalife.I would say each to their own, if it works for him fair enough and no reason why he can't add to the discussion on an open forum?
+1
Hrcmonty - it was you who dived in feet first about everyone giving up carbs, herbalife is the solution etc.
It's not really 'each to his own' though is it? It's not a matter of faith. There is science involved, and therefore there is a wrong and a right. There are certainly many 'rights' though - this coupled with the fact that people can make a lot of money out of convincing you that their solution is a better 'right' (except not iDave) we are right to be sceptical and seek scientific answers I think.
Correct me if i'm wrong.
But did i not apologise for this mis reading of the thread early on, And i have not said Herbalife is the solution! Simply it is fantastic and has worked for me and many others i know.
As people think your ethos is fantastic and works for them.
I've never once slagged off your ethos or said it's wrong.
But if you really really want to keep churping on about it, then lets do a comparison for people. Why don't you go away and get together 15 - 20 questions, about lifestyle, Blood sugar levels + insulin, Sports nutrition. Anything, and we'll do it that way.
Or you crack on with your Diet plan, i'll crack on with my Healthy Lifestyle plan, were all nice and healthy in differant ways, we all go out and enjoy riding our bikes around the country and we leave not on a bad note, because you never know when we may meet on a ride!
OK Shake hands 🙂
t's not really 'each to his own' though is it?
Well actually if it's working then, yes, it is.
If it's working for him why is there a problem?
Yes someone is making money out of it but if it's working for someone then who are you to knock them and what they spend their money on?
Whats the difference in someone paying for some products + Free nutritional advice from the Wellness Coach,
VS
Someone paying to see a nutrionist or sports nutritionist + paying for supermarket food.
NONE!
Idave - totally out of intrest, what is Flow Funktional Fitness, as it's something i may be intrested in?
Well actually if it's working then, yes, it is
Well it's often one of these side-effect things. Like stone soup. Is it right to charge for the stone?
Been on a vegetarian version of this for about a week and a half now. I've had to slightly change how I do it as I don't eat meat but so far its been fine.
Eggs do get a bit boring for breakfast but as I go on I am finding out more and will be mixing things up a bit to add interest.
I too feel less bloated now which is great. Can't comment on energy and stamina yet as due to a shoulder/tree-interface, I've not been on the bike lately.
I have no idea if I've lost weight yet as I don't own any scales but O keep asking the GF if I look like Peter Andre yet......apparantly not. I'll keep going.
Oh how I look forward to Saturdays and the free-flowing beer!
what is herbalife?
is it a milkshake type diet like slimfast.
Ton, I'd tell you but i fear for my life! No nothing like slim fast though!
Hi all been hearing good things about this diet off a diabetic mate of mine... Fraser ( we were both at Staffs with you iDave I think?)keeps his sugar levels super stable... appeals to me!
What do you guys do for packed lunches?...I eat one everyday and it's usually bread dominated...microwave in work but thats it
neighbour was into Herbalife...still got a garage full and got stiffed by the lass on the next level of the Pyramid, his wife left and he's got no friends...just saying like 😉
Well it's often one of these side-effect things
If the side-effect achieves what is aimed for then what's wrong with that?
I agree it may not be the best solution. Yet that is no reason to give someone telling their story a hard time.
hrcmonty, what is it then?
and roughly how much does it cost per week?
I think i need to clear something, as i've just looked at Pyramid.
I'm NOT selling or trying to sell anything! I'm in no Pyramid and i gain nothing from sharing my story.
Well i do a load of people that would kick my head in if i saw them on a trail! Hell No Herbal Go!!!!!!
Well are you familia with the stone soup story? It's about a con artist.
"Hey, I've got this amazing miracle potion that will make you skinny! It'll cost you £X per week, but that's nothing for your dream body! It's really scientific and powerful. Oh but to maximise efficacy you'll also need to stop eating cakes and pies and not eat too much of other stuff.."
Now I dunno about Herbalife but you'll agree that the above scenario is a bit morally dubious, surely?
Hrcmonty - relax. We're not being as nasty as you think we are. We're just sceptical of bogus scientific claims. If you are losing weight then great, congrats, but it probably ISN'T the Herbalife, it's probably something else you are doing.
Ton, there's lots on the web. A good start would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbalife
Basically, it might well work but people are concerned about the nature of its business model and there have been various lawsuits and counter law suits. Possible lead issues, previous products have contained appetite suppressants and there have been claims of liver damage. No independent research showing their effectiveness seems to exist. They've paid out millions in damages without ever admitting fault.
To me, it looks like money-making quackery, but each to their own.
Fantastic, Thankyou because guess what..... you don't HAVE to stop eating your favourite foods, yes cut them down as much as possible. But thee Wellness coach says, there is nothing wrong with it. It's a Healthy Lifestyle! I still have a bag of skittles now and then, i still like my ale. But it costs x£ as much as your supermarket food, who too are coning you! so in fact it comes back to, were all getting bummed by the honey monster.
Thats life so deal with it!
All there products are Clinically Tested!!!
what is Flow Funktional Fitness
It's my business. I advise teams, individuals, companies etc on improving sports/exercise performance. Some of it is nutrition, most of it is training and mental skills. Some professionals, some just normal bods.
Or you crack on with your Diet plan, i'll crack on with my Healthy Lifestyle plan, were all nice and healthy in differant ways, we all go out and enjoy riding our bikes around the country and we leave not on a bad note, because you never know when we may meet on a ride!
The iDave plan is not a diet plan as such. It's a permanent way of eating healthily, that leads to fat loss and then weight stabilisation. The info was given away, no one had to pay me anything and it seems to have helped a lot of people who had tried many other ways in the past.
My main issue with herbalife is that the business model relies on people either permanently buying it, or going back on it when they put weight back on. Which they will.
As for 15-20 questions, I don't have any.
Whytetrash, I remember fraser, who were/are you??
Back in 1985, they were sued for inflated claims, Things have moved on rather alot since 1985.
Blimey you guys are really against this company arn't you!
And a class action in 2004.
What do you guys do for packed lunches?...I eat one everyday and it's usually bread dominated...microwave in work but thats it
I've been eating variations on bean salads, the most common one I eat is about 225g of green lentils (or puy) 225g of bean of choice, Cannellini, borlotti, haricot all work well. Prepare, add a dressing of choice I usually add extra virgin olive oil (get a robusto), white wine vinegar, salt + pepper, capers, sun fried tomatoes - as I make in advance garlic, spring onion etc gets a bit pongy. I then get something meaty from the local deli to go with it. Should be enough for 3 or 4 days, other day I'll get a chicken shish mmmmmmmm chicken shish.
All there products are Clinically Tested!!!
So are cigarettes!!! 😀
I-Dave are you based in Harrogate?
Anything relies on people reordering stuff. It is their option to, and to be honest i can see myself being on Herbalife untill the day i really don't care how i feel anymore.
Why not it's prooven 'To Me' that it works. So why would i not want to feel great anymore. For the sake of 1 shake a day minimum! Too right i will.
Hay the work your doing looks to be working for some people thats cool.
So are cigarettes!! Exactly. Point made, is that they are clinically tested Thus have Scientific background, unlike the claim above that there is No independent research showing their effectiveness seems to exist.
There is, it works, its Safe. Just like Fruit, been tested to be good for you apart from the fruit sugars, you don't want too much of those as some can be bad for you!!! Oh wait 'Can be bad for you' What an apple can be bad for you.... stop the press no one buy them there a con!!
Right this is all going nowhere. I-Dave your doing fantastic work and are changing the lives of many for the better, As is Herbalife for me!
Oh and by the way I-Dave dont give any slightly worng advice out, that would result in someone feeling slightly poorly or anything, cause these lot will hang you!
I also don't follow it that strictly.
Right now I'm munchin on a couple of pork pies.
I have 2-3 tea/coffee a day with milk and sugar
For breakfast, I have a fruit smoothie (with cereal bits) 2-3 times a week, the other times are hard boiled eggs and spinach.
I'l have a few pints after work once a week.
Cutting out the main white carbs seems to be all that I require, plus I don't go excessive on my cheat-day, but that's more because I feel like crap after.
In the past 2 months or so I've lost nearly 1.5 stone.
Happy experimenting 🙂
No, I'm not in Harrogate
Many of 'these lot' have tried to hang me several times....
Cheers Bimbler...just a bit scared of dropping the bread cos it's easy and quick to calculate carb content and my insulin ratios with it...Mrs is a coeliac too so Idaves diet could suit us both
Dave I was/am Justin lived with big Si Hotchkin probably riding a bright yellow Alpinestars Al Mega DX last time we met...been type 1 diabetic 2 yrs in Jan so really interested in all this but active in job and ride & run a fair bit so unsure how diet works if active everyday...hypos suck
Yoshi and others.
Well done on your efforts !.
[i]It's not really 'each to his own' though is it? It's not a matter of faith. [b]There is science involved, and therefore there is a wrong and a right[/b]. There are certainly many 'rights' though - this coupled with the fact that people can make a lot of money out of convincing you that their solution is a better 'right' (except not iDave) we are right to be sceptical and seek scientific answers I think. [/i]
Some good stuff there, imo.
However, there is one [i]right[/i] surely ?.
Which is to eat the things your body has evolved to use and make the most of.
Sadly, I think that message has been lost, and there is now a huge number of people who really don't think in these terms.
I do not do pulses or legumes anymore.
I also do not go back to sugar and such, once a week.
I still like a beer now and then, but have wound that back.
Instead, I drink red wine and not loads.
Reading some of the comments that pop up on these threads, I do wonder about myself.
I do not have lows from lack of eating sugary stuff.
I do not crave or need [i]extra[/i] or sugary foods when I ride.
Sunday, I got up, had a few walnut halves (like 3 or 4), drank some water, then prep'd and popped out on the bike for a muddy back road 35 miler.
Got back, felt fine, made lunch.
Most of the ride was at around 70 Max HR or less, cept for sprints when I'm [i]playing[/i] and reaching 90 - 95 percent HR.
Then I recover while I just keep spinin.
Ime, it took me 3-4 weeks for my body to adjust and to [i]naturally[/i] select fat as its primary fuel for low to moderate intensity exercise.
Since achieving that, I would not mess with the system by having a sugar fest every 7-10 days.
I beleive that now, my body fuels itself primarily on fat, but will switch to the carbs when I enagage high intensity exercise.
Yes, there are carbs in my system as I am not following a NO carb diet.
As above. I'm not on a NO or LOW carb diet.
Its a SLOW carb diet, ie, the carbs consumed do not provoke an insulin response.
Phew !.
😉
i like reading your posts on the diet threads solo 🙂
Well are you familia with the stone soup story? It's about a con artist.
Really? I thought the common theme in the various versions of the story was about cooperation and working together.
Maybe there's a different parable?
what happened to the good old days when you could get yourself a tapeworm, loose a shed load of weight and continue eating hearty feasts surrounded by women with overflowing breasts. then once you reach your desired weight you caox it out your bottom with a mars bar on a mouse-trap and slowly pull it out (remember.. SLOW, you dont want half a tapeworm left inside)?
Any opinions on how Quorn or soya/TVP type things measure up on the iDave scale?
Kayak, what were you using as your protein sources as a veggie, just beans and eggs?
{I already eat plenty of beans, nuts etc. but all this talk of sausages with egg for breakfast.... I see it as the biggest challenge, boiled egss want toast, poached eggs want toast etc.}
[i]i like reading your posts on the diet threads solo[/i]
Yeah, I was wincing while constructing that post, for its length.
Some of my posts do get a bit long.
Apologies to all.
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Blimey you guys are really against this company arn't you!
No, just pro science, that's all 🙂
Stone soup - I heard it called nail soup, and the version I heard goes as follows:
Bloke turns up at house, asking for food. Woman says no, bugger off. Bloke says 'oh well then can I use your kitchen to make myself some stone soup?'. Woman, intrigued says 'ok' so he sets about boiling water with his stone in it. He tastes it and says 'oh fabulous, but to make it perfect it could really use some salt' which she gives him thinking it's only a bit of salt. He then says 'ooh that's delicious, but maybe a bit of pepper' then it's potatoes, carrots, beans, meat, stock, cream, you name it, then they both eat it. But he's still managed to CON the woman out of a meal she didn't want to give him by making it all sound brilliant and she thinks it's still nail soup.
i like reading your posts on the diet threads solo
I don't read them, I just look at them. Look at it again... it looks like a poem.