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I got on the train tonight and it was standing room only and I had a 1.5hr journey. So I thought bugger it, first class is empty I am going to make a stand and went and sat in there. I also told all of the other passengers in the vestibule to make a stand and join me.
Cut a long story short, the ticket inspector came around and told me I had to purchase an upgrade or leave first class and resume my standing up position.
I blew up. I was tempted to tell him I was going no where and he could call the police and they could drag me off the train.
Why are people so friggin weak in the country. If everyone stood up to these 'maximise share holder value' train operators then sheer numbers would mean they would have to back down or sort the over crowding out.
A one man crusade is pointless.
Did you leave?
Did you get off the train?
Did you have pudding?
Why are people so friggin weak in the country.
I'm not convinced that only using what you have paid for is "weak".
Not if he didn't eat his meat.
How many other passengers in the vestibule made a stand and joined you?
Was there a threat of moderate violence and will you leave a trip advisor review?
Did you get a free coffee?
Was there a threat of moderate violence and will you leave a trip advisor review?
Very good!
vestibule
*S****s
Poor sod was only doing his job.
[quote=flanagaj ]If everyone stood up to these 'maximise share holder value' train operators
I thought it was doing that which upset you?
I blew up
Did you though or did just tut FURIOUSLY!!!!11!
I was tempted to tell him I was going no where and he could call the police and they could drag me off the train.
So, what did you tell him?
Did you get up?
There is a reason why there is 1st class and cattle class 
I hate when commoners try to enter 1st class
If you paid for a seat, then why should you stand up?
If they can't provide the service you paid for then they should refund you or compensate.
We're not talking about the underground!
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Yay, immediately pick on the weaknesses of an argument!
Taking a moment back from cold facts for a minute, it's not only a bit daft, it's actually ridiculous.
A carriage is empty (presuming no reservations)
People are overcrowded in remaining carriages.
Doesn't matter - stand in this carriage for nearly 2 hours, you peasant.
I hate public transport, for reasons such as this. Give OP a break through; if I had to use it every day I'd have gone postal way before this!
I hate public transport, for reasons such as this. Give OP a break through; if I had to use it every day I'd have gone postal way before this!
I'd have gone first class.
Nope. Talking about Waterloo -> Salisbury with the same number of carriages on the peak service that they used 10 years ago. Passenger numbers have soared though!
On reflection, if I owned SWT I would have a single carriage and have people on the roof. Reduce operating expense to a minimum whilst maximizing operating profit. We all know the suckers on the train have no other option
If you paid for a seat, then why should you stand up?
Jesus, how many times. Its like the 'road tax' thing.
You pay to get on a train and go from A to B. You do NOT pay for the right to have a seat. Unless you reserve in advance...
[s]Do you pay for a seat or do you pay to travel from point A to point B?[/s]
10 measley seconds 🙁
We need to know. Are you posting this whilst walking the rest of the way home to Salisbury? ?
Well, I don't think you get to take the seat home with you.
A carriage is empty (presuming no reservations)People are overcrowded in remaining carriages.
Doesn't matter - stand in this carriage for nearly 2 hours, you peasant.
Would you do the same in an aeroplane?
Immediately charge upstairs and claim 62B as your rightful domain?
Doesn't matter - sit in the back end for nearly ten hours, you peasant!
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Talking about Waterloo -> Salisbury
I was on that very same line earlier today. Was a most pleasant trip.
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Drac - ModeratorI'd have gone first class.
No you wouldn't; I know your travel policy 🙂
CaptainFlashheart - Bleated.Would you do the same in an aeroplane?
When was the last time you stood in a plane?
Would you do the same in an aeroplane?
Immediately charge upstairs and claim 62B as your rightful domain?
Doesn't matter - sit in the back end for nearly ten hours, you peasant!
Other way round last flight I was on. Business was chocka, took a wander to stretch my legs and cattle class had about 15 people in
National Rail Conditions of Carriage:
39. Travelling in first class accommodation with a standard class ticket
If you have a standard class ticket (other than a Season Ticket), no standard class
accommodation is available, and staff on that train give their permission, then you may
travel in first class accommodation (or the equivalent) where this is available without extra
charge.
You could have asked ..... although they probably would have said no.
[url= http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static/documents/content/NRCOC.pdf ]It goes on[/url], but basically you were in the wrong.
[quote=flanagaj ] the suckers on the train have no other optionwell, they could opt not to get on the train, travel by other means perhaps?
No you wouldn't; I know your travel policy
They you'll know I always price it as sometimes you get a bargain price and no one standing next to complaining.
At the end of the day a train operator is a PLC who has a monopoly. Train operators should be none profit
Ok, I'm losing sympathy with you now...
EDIT: Lost
I'm sure it'll all change under a Labour guvament.
Please do enlighten me as I am very interested to understand your thought process here.Ok, I'm losing sympathy with you now...
Do you commute?
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I take it the OP actually meekly got up and left first class when he was told to? I think the revolution may still be some way off.
Do you commute?
For a while, about a year ago, I commuted daily on that very same line. Rarely didn't have a seat, train was almost always on time, or close enough. Oh, and chilled Tanglefoot for the occasional cheeky snifter on the homeward trip.
I still think you're having a silly little whinge, FWIW.
I have every sympathy for the op. Since well, frankly ages ago, and prior to the London Bridge closure, and the mass cancelling of trains, travel into London at peak time (or peak fare!) was already not good.
Yesterday, we were literally rammed in so close to each other, that even when the train swayed over the points, no one was going to fall over, as it was sardines.
And the OP is spot on, the job centre remenents they call "revenue protection" behave like total bastards, on Southern. Even the boss of TFL last week called them out as behaving like the Gestapo.
You get a totally packed train, due to shortage of carrigages, cancelled or delayed services. #You can perhaps just squeeze into first class as sitting is safer than standing, and the ladies are at less risk of fainting in the heat. Then, once the doors shut,a couple on un-uniformed ****s stand up and proceed to charge penalty fares, despite the fact the train is *so* heaving, they can only perform the trick by getting out at the next station and moving to the next first class spot by walking up the platform.
Frankly, I'm pretty mild and meek, but a couple of months ago, I refused to move out the way for them to get past, knowing what they were up to.
Given the service is crumbling to dust, the fares are extorionate, and we are not treated fairly as customers (see the refunds policy t&c) I'd not piss on Southern Railway, or their revenue protection staff if they were on fire. I feel differently about the drivers and run of the mill platform staff who basically share our feelings.
Op - you have my full support. But you need to experience the shite service and price gouging abuse before you really understand, so ignore the self righteous Audi drivers in IT who work from home.
flanagaj - MemberPlease do enlighten me as I am very interested to understand your thought process here.
..because I was originally reading it as a post about 'rules must be obeyed' - and folk being made to stand for quite some time, to stick to those rules (and the inability/fear of people breaking those rules, despite clear common sense desperate to kick in) - I'd support such views.
You then randomly brought in a non-profit (nationalised?) point, at which point I lost interest in your OP (although I do think the rail should be re-nationalised, ironically!),
You'r either having a stand about basic conditions and common sense, or one about making the rail system NFP. Don't turn one post into another though!
Do you commute?
So much so, it would make your eyes water, I just avoid public transport 🙂
"Poor sod was only doing his job."
LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER
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LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER
At least he made the trains run on time.
(Well, somebody had to!)