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140+ stations in London. That's what, 70-odd rounds per station? Doesn't seem THAT insane
Richc - No, thats my mum - she was tragically blinded when hit with a police baton round whilst nipping down to the Tesco Express for some milk while a riot was going on outside, in a horrific reenactment of the scene in Byker Grove where PJ got blinded with a paintball
How many firearms officers - they should be the only ones using them? It should not be a routine piece of kit available to everyone, they have never been used ion the mainland. How many police stations?
I ask again - what has changed that the 700 they had were not sufficient but now they needs 10 000?
Anyone who is able to think clearly and logicically can see this is disproportionate. I find it fascinating how when it police / army and guns how unquestioning some folk are of what is going on.
So not part of the bollocks statistic then. Lucky her.
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[i]bounce up, hitting the protesting catholics at groin height[/i]
and some of their young children at head height iirc 🙁
although goodness knows what 5 year olds were doign milling about outside during a riot.
probably shopping!
Goodness knows what members of loyalist paramilitary groups were doing policing nationalist protests.
pretty much what they liked?
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I ask again - what has changed that the 700 they had were not sufficient but now they needs 10 000?
Perhaps someone somewhere suggested that they should occasionally do some training with these rounds and they realised that 700 would mean they only had 5 rounds per station for training and deployment.
Anyone who is able to think clearly and logicically can see this is disproportionate
Nope. It would appear that anyone capable of rational thought within the context of recent and future events thinks this is fairly reasonable.
How many firearms officers - they should be the only ones using them? It should not be a routine piece of kit available to everyone, they have never been used ion the mainland. How many police stations?I ask again - what has changed that the 700 they had were not sufficient but now they needs 10 000?
Anyone who is able to think clearly and logicically can see this is disproportionate. I find it fascinating how when it police / army and guns how unquestioning some folk are of what is going on.
Well, there are 300 officers in the Met trained to use them.
That's 33 rounds each with an extra few for training etc How does that sound ?
Not that many I wouldn't have said.
And according to the Met they had a stockpile of Just short of 6,500 in 2009, so they are getting through them pretty fast if they only had 700 left last summer ??
So they used roughly 5800 in Less than 2.5 years.
(and that's not taking into account what they bought in the Annual order in both those years !)
Still disproportionate. . ?
I'm just applying "simple logic and clarity of thought"
Well, there are 300 officers in the Met trained to use them.That's 33 rounds each with an extra few for training etc How does that sound ?
Completely disproportionate. 🙂
Thought not.
Seems pretty spot on to me. Not really enough if I'm honest.
I'm thinking that they don't have a 'use by' date?
The L21A1 Baton round is made of "Plastic" not rubber and has been for the last 17 years. People qualified to fire them in NI had to have fired at least 10 practice rounds in the last 30 days in order to be able to use the weapon on the streets. I would assume that all UK police forces must abide by a similar rule. Hence the need for a decent stock pile. You never know when the Yoouufs is goin kick off innit 😀
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We mustn't forget that the Met have a history of using [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/07/plastic-bullets-available-student-protests ]scare tactics[/url] to prevent democracy in action. God knows how many people they scared off that march but we saw comments all over the place online from kids terrified of being shot on their own soil by bullies with guns, parents demanding their kids not turn up, schools telling their pupils they would be disciplined for attending.
In the end at that march, the Met used Total Policing and created a slow moving rolling kettle, denied Sparks from joining up, then pretty much bottled up thousands in a tight street until it started to get sketchy and militants tried to roughly break out. Then two police horses jumped into the front lines of young students (first one the rider lost control of after a bottle hit the horses head armour, the second was deliberate)
The police finally backed off and let it move on as someone up the ranks no doubt realised the media could now see what was happening as young people/kids were at risk of permanent injury/death.
Functional creep.
We mustn't forget that the Met have a history of using scare tactics to prevent democracy in action
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Nuffin says democracy like a big bag of rice, innit!
schools telling their pupils they would be disciplined for attending
As a parent, I'd be quite pleased with a school taking such a stance.
Anyway - it seems that TJ has been roughed up enough to comply with the State and stopped his protest. Hurrah for common sense and reasonable thinking.
People qualified to fire them in NI had to have fired at least 10 practice rounds in the last 30 days in order to be able to use the weapon on the streets. I would assume that all UK police forces must abide by a similar rule.
That's interesting.
So of the Met have similar rules, they would need 36,000 rounds per year, just to keep the currently trained staff they have, trained and ready to deploy.
Which would mean the 10,000 rounds they currently have is woefully short of what they need for the 300 trained officers to be any use if they are needed.
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TJ- you should be complaIning about the shambles the MET is in with it's stock control !!!