Liz! Truss!

Starmer’s stance on brexit is irrelevant.

Not on here it isn't - brexit is still hugely important. There isn't a political thread where the argument doesn't eventually return to brexit.

In the rest of the country however it is yesterday's news. A fact so obvious that even the Labour Party leader, a staunch and active campaigner to remain in the EU, now fully accepts.

Rock n Roll did eventually die, but Brexit on STW never will.

Because kHunt (silent H) has less than zero moral compass. Just an opportunistic scumbag getting back in Gov and getting more ££ and exposure for a bit.
Remember he was the incompetent moron previously running the health service into the ground.

For Labour... better to let these current self serving clowns keep slitting their own throats and wallowing in their own shi-iite.
If Labour took over tomorrow, they'll get blamed by the nazi press for the impending immense recession that is already a nailed on certainty - it's baked in now. Time to let the Tories wallow in their own excrement rather than having to clean it up.
It'll take 3 years to get out of this hole..we're not even half way down the down slope yet.

The pity is the damage and misery it will inflict on millions of people, whilst those responsible get off with no real consequence.

There are none so blind as those who will not see

They've just played the press conference on PM - Christ it was embarrassing

It’ll take 3 years to get out of this hole..we’re not even half way down the down slope yet.

and with 2 years to a GE how much worse can it get......?

They’ve just played the press conference on PM – Christ it was embarrassing

Just like all the pre conference interviews, she gives the same "committed to growth, difficult decision yadda yadda" answer from 1st to last Q. After a few repeats of the same line, a journo should ask her if sha can give any answer apart from the one that has been repeated.

Bet Mr Truss won't be getting any tonight!

One down, one to go.

Hunt is now in charge, that's why he has taken it. At any moment in time he could precipitate an election by resigning. But what will he do? If he makes it better he loses and Dizzy Lizzy wins, if he makes it worse the opportunity for the crown is his ... but not too worse, or they both lose. Scary balancing act and meanwhile we all lose ...

Even moderate tories are beginning to realise this. Starmer’s stance on brexit is irrelevant. There’s only one game in town right now.

OMG I'm in complete agreement with dazh

In the rest of the country however it is yesterday’s news. A fact so obvious that even the Labour Party leader, a staunch and active campaigner to remain in the EU, now fully accepts.

But this is wrong and getting more wrong by the day. At the moment, the only thing we need to be worrying about is the fact we are inches from driving over a cliff, when that immediate disaster is over (Truss out / Starmer in) we can then worry sorting the economy out when we've got someone with half a brain in charge. Then we can have the sensible conversation about rejoining the EU.

Has she resigned yet?

Hunt is in there to steady the ship while the party works out who replaces her, how and when they should do it, and how on earth they time an election to minimise their losses.

Oh, Brexit isn’t “yesterday’s news”, unless you’re retired and not trying to make a living, it is a drag on all activity, it is very much present now, it has to be dealt with daily by many of us. It’s also a one way street, now we’ve left that’s it politically, we are out for decades, maybe forever. Since Jan 2020 there has been no point any “UK wide” politician campaigning on rejoining, they simply cannot deliver that even if it is what voters want… although it’s a different story for those wanting to separate from rUK.

UK politicians wanting to take office in London have to propose how we move forward outside the EU over the 2020s, anything else is a fantasy right now.

Just like all the pre conference interviews, she gives the same “committed to growth, difficult decision yadda yadda” answer from 1st to last Q. After a few repeats of the same line, a journo should ask her if sha can give any answer apart from the one that has been repeated.

She was reading from a script, and by the look on her face a script someone else had advised her to stick to. I have a feeling Hunt has been told to take the Job - Toris have just doubled the front bench brain capacity with him there which isn't saying much, and at least he'd test the policies before announcing them to ensure he doesn't do a Kamikwasi himself. I am surprised he agreed though.

https://twitter.com/labourrescue/status/1580936556688252928?t=-Nb2LmD9MUhOTSQl7LRrmA&s=19

I am surprised he agreed though.

Effectively he's the PM now. He can do what he wants. Just look at her, her authority is shot.

It can only be time for one of these then:-
https://twitter.com/russincheshire/status/1580968759337971712?s=21&t=lPz4Af_j-3pHqxghGkA8qw

Effectively he’s the PM now.

But captain of what? A ship with a dirty great hole in the side and a crew in open mutiny. He's done little more than put his back to the wall unless, as has been suggested, he's there to steady the ship whilst the rest of the bounty draw lots.

The Labour Party seem to have hired the right people in their rapid response social media dept.

https://twitter.com/uklabour/status/1580953771185766408?s=46&t=dRHQfaIe0TBdDFbptFeAkg

I am surprised he agreed though.

Effectively he’s the PM now. He can do what he wants. Just look at her, her authority is shot

The fella clearly wanted to be PM at some point.  I wonder if this is him accepting that this pretty much can't happen in his political lifetime.  Why TF would you attach yourself to the current shambles.  Even if she's ousted and he's pushed up the greasy pole they surely can't get away without a GE and I just don't see a win.  OK, I admit they "can" just keep him and brazen it out but (- Oh sorry, was going to say morals/decency/unacceptability.  Carry on)

He’s been rejected as leadership candidate enough times now… I suspect he thinks he’ll be helping his party, and the country, with this move… and giving himself the legacy as the saviour of the hour. In a way you have to hope he does steady things a bit… just long enough for us to get a chance to vote as many Tory MPs out of their seats as possible.

Crikey, where are the leadership for this country?

Too many wannabe clowns and clowns pretending to lead the country? Are we in a circus?

Either the media is being sensational or the country is really full of clowns?

Just give the Premiership to Starmer for magic cure for now.

the only hope for the tory party now is to call a GE, they may keep their dignity at least and live to fight another day but if they keep on this tack they are sailing off to oblivion.

uponthedowns

It must be awful basically spending your entire life working towards gaining a very specific job and then once you get there you find you are shit at it.

Don’t judge these egomaniacal narcassists by your own standards. I’m sure Boris Johnson still thinks he did a marvelous job and “the herd” was wrong. Same with Truss.

I don't think it applies to Truss.... I don't think she had any illusions she'd be anything BUT shit at being PM.
I'm sure Truss Ltd-PLC offshore has done very nicely though.

Jeremy Hunt has been effectively appointed as her career to stop Lizzie repeatedly poking herself in the eye with a stick

Does Kwasi still get the £17k or so severence pay, good god I hate these self serving ****ers.
Friday night Chablis going down nicely 🙂

Part of the self serving shame of it.
Should put them all on statutory minimum redundancy terms like normal people. And can be sacked without any reason within 2 years, no recourse.

The Labour Party seem to have hired the right people in their rapid response social media dept.

I'm getting a strong Led by donkeys , vibe, did they get the gig?

robert buckland on Any Questions failing to defend the indefensible.

‘Does Kwasi still get the £17k or so severence pay, good god I hate these self serving ****.
Friday night Chablis going down nicely 🙂’

I suspect that’s chicken feed to what he was getting as a ‘consultancy fee’ from hedge fund managers who made a fortune from shorting the £ - allegedly!

For sure.. All ministers get a massive golden hand shake, whether they retire or get sacked.

He's not going to be crying into his pillow tonight, that's for sure.

Politics aside Newsthump has worried me in that there's only 3 more chancellors until Christmas.
I almost in a Freudian way mistyped Chancer.

Reality is she's been voted in for her ability to be manipulated, rather than her ability to lead, it's also a sad state of affair that i think even if they called a General Election before Christmas, i'd still think it would be a close run thing, in our area the tories have a huge lead, with a really poor MP, it used to be Lib Dem before their collapse, but now it's just everyone over 60 talking about how bad everything is, yet still voting for them, same with the rest who voted for him, and i can see that happening across the country, they'll moan and moan about how bad it is, but put them into a voting booth and they'll tick for the bloody tory every time.

Also Truss has fulfilled her role.. She panicked the markets to allow the likes of off-shore gamblers like Jacob ress mogg to make a cheeky few million.

They will all be drinking champagne tonight, I'm sure.

I’m getting a strong Led by donkeys , vibe, did they get the gig?

I hope not, I contribute to both led by donkeys and the good law project, and hope that both would aim to keep any government in power honest. I don't want them to align to any political party, even if they may have similar political leanings.

Oh my lord …

https://www.conservatives.com/news/2022/our-plan-for-foreign-affairs

So what's Ben Wallace been up to...
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1580980400394207232?t=zsZ5IxnRxif2b0iOtHlMbw&s=19

The fella clearly wanted to be PM at some point. I wonder if this is him accepting that this pretty much can’t happen in his political lifetime. Why TF would you attach yourself to the current shambles.

After he withdrew last time didn't he say something like 'I accept now that you only get one shot at this, and my time has already past' (after running previously)?

He was miles away from cabinet under Johnson so maybe sniffing his last opportunity to be relevant?

Liz has got Christopher ‘upskirt’ Chope to defend her on Newsnight.

Everybody else must have been busy

She's toast, even the client media have had enough....

and the scum

She must surely have sealed her fate with that absolute train wreck of a press conference this afternoon, on top of the shitshow of the last couple of weeks.

The Tories are presently polling at 19%, Labour 50+

Newsnight are reporting that next week she’ll be getting the hard word from the ‘Tory Grandees’ to clear her desk

Oh to see the adults in charge again. We might even get Leveson 2.

Truss has always been an absolute binfire. If it wasn't for the support she's received from a number of opaquely funded libertarian think tanks she'd have sunk into obscurity years ago.

She must surely have sealed her fate with that absolute train wreck of a press conference this afternoon,

Yup, imo it was going downhill and accelerating after the mini budget, the market reaction, the opinion pools, then the higher rate tax U-turn, by the time of the the corporation tax U-turn her premiership was all but over imo, sacking Kwarteng confirmed that she was no longer in any way in control of events.

If she had preformed exceptionally well at the press conference by appearing confident, combative, and authoritative, she might have stood a very vague chance of turning things round, but she blew it. She came across as worried, not in control of events, and scared of scrutiny/questions.

Now the only thing left for the Tories to do imo is to focus purely on damage limitation. They need to replace Truss with a caretaker prime minister who won't do anything drastic and which the public don't really know, and therefore not dislike, perhaps someone like Penny Mordaunt, and then call an immediate general election.

It might be sufficient to reassure enough of their voters not to desert them which in turn robs the Labour Party of a parliamentary majority.

That imo would be an excellent outcome for the Tories under the circumstances. It would leave Labour to clear up the cost of living crises, and all the other issues, without a working majority - a complete nightmare for Labour.

And it is probably just about achievable. After all Labour's huge massive lead in the polls is almost entirely due to Liz Truss - there is nothing solid about it.

Bloody hell eddiebaby, your link was to the Conservatives website. I clicked on it, and now I'm unsure if if merely clearing my browser history and cookies is enough, or if I need to shred my phone. 🤷

perhaps someone like Penny Mordaunt, and then call an immediate general election.

It might be sufficient to reassure enough of their voters not to desert them which in turn robs the Labour Party of a parliamentary majority.

New leader bounce on average is 6pts

I know Truss is a dumpsterfire, but a new leader now isn't going to suddenly make the Tories look competent, from austerity to brexit to Truss's budget, the majority is now against everything the Tories have done to the country-

And the pollsters have been pointing out that labours lead is not just down to 'don't knows'. But that they're taking Tory voters, even before truss

https://twitter.com/ObserverUK/status/1576296527869665287?t=Orj01Sy8HGgQ8V-iS9_AcA&s=19

https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1580205780845723648?t=Ks8FMIFtAs266OTnoaUZIQ&s=19

I've not seen the press like this since William Hague was leader of the opposition. It's clear that Truss's days in No 10 are numbered, but I'm not sure who could be a unifying leader right now. If Truss resigns, the Deputy PM would step in until a new leader is elected and/or a GE is called.

The Bruges Group's twitter output over the last month or so has been increasingly hysterical and unhinged. It's clear that the ideologues on the hard-right don't have a credible economic plan, skyrocketing mortgage rates and pension pot devaluations did for the Conservatives in the 1990s and kept them out of office for thirteen years.

I know Truss is a dumpsterfire, but a new leader now isn’t going to suddenly make the Tories look competent, from austerity to brexit to Truss’s budget, the majority is now against everything the Tories have done to the country

After twelve and a half years veering from self-inflicted crisis to self-inflicted crisis that has by and large been accompanied by stagnation in spending power for most of us, the Tories have nowhere left to hide.

but a new leader now isn’t going to suddenly make the Tories look competent

But it is not about that. It is now all but certain that the Tories cannot win the next general election. What the Tories need to do is to find a leader, even if it is temporary until an early election can be called, who will encourage sufficient numbers of their supporters to return and ideally deny Labour a working majority, or even just a very small majority which would represent a serious headache for Starmer.

It is clear that Liz Truss and her economic policies is what has driven unprecedented numbers of Tory voters away, with her gone many would undoubtedly return. Maybe not all but a very significant number.

Labour haven't had 30% leads for the last two or three weeks because everyone suddenly fell in love with Starmer, it is obvious that Liz Truss has alienated many Tory voters.

One spend a while looking at that lettuce and I think I see it's soul.

A real sense of intellect and compassion in its eyes

I for one am rooting for it in this battle of good vs evil.

But it is not about that. It is now all but certain that the Tories cannot win the next general election. What the Tories need to do is to find a leader, e

So why on earth would they go for a GE now if the best they can hope for is a hung parliament?

Alternative is that they can stay in power for 3 mores and they've still got 70 seat majority

Would be absolute madness to do it now when in 2 years a lot could have changed - economy, Russia etc

Meanwhile what unity candidate, do you genuinely think would win back both home counties & red wall Tory voters??

What the Tories need to do is to find a leader, even if it is temporary until an early election can be called, who will encourage sufficient numbers of their supporters to return and ideally deny Labour a working majority

No chance. They’re done. A labour majority is pretty much nailed on as long as Starmer and his shadow cabinet don’t do anything stupid. The only uncertainty is the scale of the defeat. I reckon we could be looking at a Canadian style wipeout. The tories will be lucky to get 100 seats in the next election.

The main question now is what will Starmer do with a massive majority?

So why on earth would they go for a GE now if the best they can hope for is a hung parliament

Because it would be a very good result. Tories have been in government for 12 years, it is a foregone conclusion that at some point they will lose a general election.

A hung parliament with a Labour minority government would be an excellent result for the Tories. Labour would struggle to govern in a crises situation and would be under constant threats from rebellions.

With the general election that followed the Tories would be in with a very good chance of winning back power.

Meanwhile what unity candidate, do you genuinely think would win back both home counties & red wall Tory voters??

Why are you pretending that the current huge Tory lead has nothing to do with Liz Truss and her mini budget?

The Tory lead of 20-30% was only established about 3 weeks ago after the mini budget, before the mini budget the Tory lead was as little as 5 or 6%.

With Liz Truss and her "growth" policies gone there is no reason to assume that Labour would be able to maintain that lead.

The 20-30% Labour lead was the result of something which the Tories did, not something that Labour did. If the Tories take corrective action there is no reason to assume that they won't claw back a lot of that lost support

No chance. They’re done. A labour majority is pretty much nailed on

It's likely. It's not "nailed".

You are basing your claim on the dramatic events which have unfurled in the last three weeks.

Which is precisely why it is impossible to predict what happens next in politics.

If things can change so dramatically in three weeks they can always change dramatically.

She must surely have sealed her fate with that absolute train wreck of a press conference this afternoon,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/14/kwasi-kwarteng-liz-truss-offer-consciously-uncouple-train-wreck

After all Labour’s huge massive lead in the polls is almost entirely due to Liz Truss – there is nothing solid about it.

Credit where credit is due. The Labour conference had a positive effect as regards public support this year. The contrast between the two big conferences party was stark. The choice clear.