[Closed] Life, Faith, Religion and a path to finding God?

See, thing is people aren't allowed to be spritual, have faith, believe in what they want to anymore.

And is this the result of religious indoctrination? Orders from Rome? A crazed Mulla ranting in the desert? A rogue Yogi? A Shinto priest gone bad?

No it's because Woppit cannot accept that some people have different beliefs. They are to be shouted down and ridiculed in equal measure. Oh the ironing...

In defence he thinks you can believe in any sort of gibberish nonsense you want
You can believe the moon is made of cheese and it controls the world via astrology but it is not an accurate method of understanding the world.
See what they did to heretics in the dark ages if you think his sarcasm and disdain is harsh and see how believers treat gays today or how many people kill people today for their faith. Atheist zealots are still much more civilized than believer ones and much less harmful to those they oppose.
Not that long ago what we said on here would have been an offence in law etc
Again the evidence does not match your view

In defence he thinks you can believe in any sort of gibberish nonsense you want

Pretty much sums up my position also. Before you go off to do that though can you please give all the money back, relinquish your right to tax free status, stay out of the education systems with your nasty half baked fairy stories and while your at it stay out of politics and keep away from people in white coats who are trying to cure stuff and make people better.
In summary keep it all to yourself.

arternoon.

it's because Woppit cannot accept that some people have different beliefs

Pretty hard not to accept something for which there is such overwhelming evidence so, no - I completely accept that some people have different beliefs.

They are to be shouted down and ridiculed in equal measure.

I have never in my life, shouted anyone down. Indeed, I don't see how that can be done on a text-based forum. Perhaps you can, er, enlighten me. Lord knows it's difficult not to ridicule the ridiculous, I often find. Well, he doesn't actually because, you know...

Hello Junkyard - hands across the ocean and all that. 8)

"If you dont like being laughed at then dont have such funny ideas"

Gypsey Rose Lee I recall.

[url= http://www.venganza.org/ ]The Way of the Truth[/url]

Mr Nutt: Do it! You know it makes [s]sauce[/s] sense

Wow, page 12... You've all been busy.

Those with a belief in any particular religion seek spiritual guidance from the ancient texts that were written thousands of years ago. Some of these might seem somewhat outdated now with an advancement of science, but other parts are still quite relevant. Interpreting the bible in our modern world is clearly one of the challenges. Exploring one's faith may of course result in discovering a complete lack of it, but MrNutt is not wrong for wanting try. It's a personal challenge to him, for which he has my admiration. Whether you agree/approve/accept of MrNutt's desire to challenge himself in a more spiritual way is up to you, but the desire to want to make some improvement to the way you live your life is commendable in my opinion.

Ian

D'you think it'll stop him going round beating people up? He might progress to flying planes into buildings.

SORRY! SORRY! I'M SO SORRY! I'LL GET ME COAT, SORRY!!!!!

😉

Personally I see this puerile school playground cockishness to be just to be the antagonists self proclamation of immaturity and lack of respect for other peoples birthright; that being the freedom to believe in what you like and explore/question your own Faith.

So woppit, junkyard, crikey, etc

would you prefer that I believe in nothing? nothing unless it can be repeatedly proven 99% by controlled scientific test?

that I just follow your example? and have no Faith?

But then it is not proven that God does not exist now is it, perhaps you could show me that proof?

you seem so convinced?

Give me that proof, unequivocal proof that there is no God. After all that is what you merrily proclaim.

show me the money or shut the **** up.

I thought we had agreed that we dont really care.

Here you are, two bob. Old money.

Personally I see this puerile school playground cockishness to be just to be the antagonists self proclamation of immaturity and lack of respect for other peoples

Sense of humour bypass might need looking at, you don't write for the Daily Telegraph, do you?

Please don't hurt me.

This thread is good, it's been a bit of a journey of self discovery for me too.

I thought I was a humanist, went along to the local Humanist Society meeting last night... turns out I'm a naturist.

D'you get your kit off in the woods, then?

Yeahp, and the local swimming baths.

MrNutt.

Have you considered Scientology?

I think they even have evidence and stuff.

But then it is not proven that God does not exist now is it, perhaps you could show me that proof?

Oh dear - "I say something exists but you have to prove it doesn't".

How come you don't even get THAT by now? What's wrong with you? Oh, yeah...

I wonder if you'd dare say any of the things that you've been typing to my face woppit?

From what I hear you have considerably less courage than your conviction. Fancy a Pint?

And don't worry, this isn't a threat or promise of violence.

I thought we had agreed that we dont really care.

You care enough to keep reading and posting though. 😛

Don't much see the point. I'd only be repeating myself and I doubt it would help you grasp simple logics which seem to be beyond your reach.

Given your self-proclaimed tendency to mindless violence, I REALLY don't think I'm interested in wasting any of my time talking face to face with a thug. Thankyou. This'll do just fine.

Mr Nutt,

I've not been reading this thread for a couple of days because I got bored with it. But some of the things you have been entering recently just don't make sense.

Your first post seemed to be asking for help in deciding which way to go. Your later posts indicate that far from not knowing, you appear to have definatetly made up your mind (I suspect before you first posted). What I'm afraid you are experiencing though is not a leap of faith, but simple guilt.

Why would you change your persona so significantly? You make it sound like you were a real shit before you looked for answers in god (or faith).

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of faith. Faith isn't something you believe in, it is the belief in something. I have faith that gravity will bring me down to earth when I fall off my 29er, it is NOT faith that brings me to the ground.

Faith will not make you do good things or stop you from doing bad things, try being a good person and not being afraid of some ultimate reprisal.

Nutts beliefs dont interest me but the debate is great fun 😛

[i]would you prefer that I believe in nothing?[/i]

No, it's amusing watching people give themselves a false sense of security.

In fact, I've just lost interest in texting to a screen to screen, with a thug.

Sayonara, petal.

all climb aboard the character assassination train. next stop ****youville.

lol at whoppit (i am so above this thread that i just spent half my life posting on)
nob.

Mock me all you like, this is the beginning of a journey into faith, I'll let you know how I get on with it.

You did ask for it Mr Nutt!

I was about to type a really long post of my thoughts, but we're talking about religion. Each to their own, I don't care if others want to believe in ghosts, the super-natural, black magic, fortune tellers, religions, mystics, magic crystals, powerbands, any of that hokey stuff. It's entirely up to them. If it gets them through the day and makes them act in a nice way towards other people, all the better.

The only thing I want to know is.. do you think god give a sh'one't about whether you believe / actively worship? And if he does, why doesn't he do something mega awesome to get people back into churches... how about sending his daughter this time?

Maybe heavens getting pretty full so it eases the pressure have less 'god botherers'?

lol at whoppit (i am so above this thread that i just spent half my life posting on)
nob.

I think now that veiled threats of violence are involved Woppit has lost interest to be fair.

allright then i take back the nob bit but its still funny in an internet door slamming sort of away.

ahh I've been away for 6 pages (aka a couple of days) so where did we get to. I've read the precis' about about nice, friendly, peaceful Elves refreshing and changing Nutt's whilst Woppit belittles...

have I missed anything?

When's the skyclad, transrational bike ride of the STW faithless/full?

Ourmaninthenorth helped me find Cod.

next stop ****youville

You won't be allowed to talk like that in church!

I doubt there would be need to, not that I go to church.

got this from the Dalai Lama's Facebook feed(!) today.

The compassionate mind is very important. Fear, anger, jealousy are based on a self-centered attitude. By developing a sense of caring for others' well-being your heart automatically opens and that brings transparency, straightforwardness and honesty, which leads to friendship. We are social animals, and one individual's survival relies entirely on the rest of the community.

'good food, good sleep'

Precisely. It echoes something I once heard whilst watching an interview with a scientist (who's name I WISH I could remember) who was particularly scathing about superstition.

"Of course there's no meaning in life, but so what? I'm looking forward to a damn good lunch".

There you go...

ah the remote militant agnostic returns once again, I thought you'd got bored with this?

would you prefer that I believe in nothing? nothing unless it can be repeatedly proven 99% by controlled scientific test?
that I just follow your example? and have no Faith?

can you please give all the money back, relinquish your right to tax free status, stay out of the education systems with your nasty half baked fairy stories and while your at it stay out of politics and keep away from people in white coats who are trying to cure stuff and make people better.

MrNutt - Member

ah the remote militant agnostic returns once again, I thought you'd got bored with this?

No, no. Just with "talking" to you. Apart from this, of course, but you obviously need it underlining because you're too dim/gripped by an insane desire to hurt somebody, to understand it if you only read it once.

"When you are powerless and dont affect my life I will leave you alone to your beliefs."
I'm not wanting to be argumentative junkyard, but how does mr nutt affect your life? And what powers does he posess? I think we should be told, so we can either adore or avoid him, dependant on our viewpoints. 😉

Will no one think of the dinosaurs?

krag - Member

Will no one think of the dinosaurs?

😆 Outstanding. 😆

you meant religion/church etc not mr Nutt personally
Apologises for lack of clarity and I did not mean that to appear as if it was directed personally at Mr nutt

Hmmm the trouble with atheism is it's bad pr and generally [url= http://atheism.about.com/od/nihilismnihilists/a/atheism.htm ]nihilistic perception[/url] - which means that, if you regard atheism as a religion, defined as

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe,

to quote the linked article

It is certainly arguable that atheism makes nihilism easier — for example, Nietzsche made the case that widespread atheism overthrew the only interpretation (theistic) of the world that was really popular. As a consequence, people got the impression that there wasn't really any meaning out there at all and so lost hope.

can you please give all the money back, relinquish your right to tax free status, stay out of the education systems with your nasty half baked fairy stories and while your at it stay out of politics and keep away from people in white coats who are trying to cure stuff and make people better.

Give all the money back = I can't say I'm all that comfortable with the concept of Tithe but I understand the provision for harder times, I agree vehicles such as the Vatican appear to drip with opulence whilst there is obviously many who could do better with the money than a few elect finely dressed romans.

relinquish your right to tax free status = I loathe taxation of any kind, voluntary donation through honest education would be a better although utopian option.

stay out of the education systems with your nasty half baked fairy stories = a lot of schools, colleges etc were founded by "the church" were they not? why not set up your own faith free school if you feel that passionate about it? oh yes, you don't believe in anything.

and while your at it stay out of politics = agreed, religion and politics is an incestuous union that only breeds deformed, backward and dysfunctional children.

and keep away from people in white coats who are trying to cure stuff and make people better = yes all medical research should be conducted upon Atheist Island where all staff are sterilized of their beliefs prior to arrival.

so apart from it being an appallingly written statement, that sounds as though its been shouted through the school railings by a 15yr old and whilst it is flawed in may ways I tend to agree with the body of it.

But that doesn't mean I am incapable of having a Faith. Nor does it mean I'm against Atheism.

DaRC_L, That article to which you have linked seems to suggest the exact opposite of "atheism=nihilism" to me.

Why do people think that a "meaningless" life is something to get depressed about? Doesn't it free one from the constraints and demands of thinking that we MUST "believe" in something - usually a set of rule-based presuppositions based on unproven assertions about imaginary presences and so on?

"Of course life is meaningless, but so what..."?

Mmmm - nice cup of tea coming up.