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The thing with United is that you might believe in Moyes if there was any evidence of improvement or a plan, but there isn't. Mata is a very good player but why pay all that money then play him out of position?

I watched the Sturridge incident carefully. I looked to me like Vidic's foot slid under Sturridge's as he put it down.
It's human instinct, when you feel yourself standing on something that shouldn't be there, to unweight your foot so as not to risk damaging your ankle or whatever you're standing on.
So whilst as a Liverpool supporter I'm biased, I wouldn't say Sturridge cheated at all.

RE: the penalty....it wasnt a penalty but i dont think it could be called cheating...more gamesmanship. sturridge went looking for the contact and like most modern footballers was ready to go to ground once contact was made...but the contact never came as he was too quick for vidic...this made it look like a blatant dive...
however i think vidic was kind of lucky to be on the pitch at that time anyway as on another day he could have been given a straight red for clattering into the back of suarez (his first yellow)
rafael was also lucky to still be on the pitch too as his handball could have got him his second yellow too
the foul on sturridge by carrick was a stonewall penalty but i suppose not getting that one was justice served for the one that was awarded and subsequently missed by gerrard.
as a liverpool fan i dont like players who cheat especially if they are our players and i hope sturridge got a rollocking from rodgers for the penalty.
i wish suarez would now start taking the penalties instead.

i've seen comments from utd fams saying moyes should quit but i think moyes should honour his contract....
Utd should actually rip up his current one and give him an improved and extended contact as a reward for the excellent work he's doing at old toilet!! 😆

I watched the Sturridge incident carefully.

Have you got a link to the video you are watching? It was a pretty blatant dive from every angle I've seen.

I didn't think it was a penalty. But then, Carrick got away with a blatant one, and Rafael should've been sent off, so Man U shouldn't feel too hard done by.

looked like a dive to me as a Liverpool supporter and I wish he hadn't done it. Would love to see retrospective punishments for divers.
What is becoming obvious to me is that Ferguson was an even better manager than any of us thought to mold that group into a title winning team.

Have you got a link to the video you are watching?

I watched the MOTD2 footage. Vidic's foot is clearly underneath Sturridge's foot and Sturridge appears to roll forward upon feeling the foot. Yes, he went down easily, and was looking for the penalty, but I don't think that makes him a cheat.

And let's face it, we absolutely mugged the scum left right and centre, so that incident was neither here nor there! 😀

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It's perhaps a bit of a dive but the attempted tackle missed the ball completely and could easily have taken him out unless he jumped over it. I've seen much worse (from Ashley Young, Nani, Ronaldo, Berbatov etc etc).

Don't really see what all the fuss is about. I guess they have to try and cling on to something.

What is becoming obvious to me is that Ferguson was an even better manager than any of us thought to mould that group into a title winning team.

I think last year, while Fergie got the maximum out of his team, it was as much as other teams imploding. City especially with Mancini seaming to be picking arguments with his players every week. Benitez also performed a bit of a miracle seeing how the fans treated him, but it can't have been easy to get the best out of them under those conditions.

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Debating what was a penalty, and what wasn't is all pretty academic really though. We were woeful! We could have stayed out there for another 90 minutes and never looked like scoring. We were comprehensively outclassed. You can't blame Moyes. Nobody turned up! Simple as! Apart from Vidic, as per. And he probably got himself sent off as he was trying desperately to carry those who had failed to show up.

VP is the biggest disappointment. You need to show some character, not just when you're winning, but when you're not getting it your own way. His sulk is now becoming Anelka-like. He's a world class player. He needs to start acting like one. He's been happy to pick up his enormous wage packet while he's been out injured for most of the season

Don't really see what all the fuss is about. I guess they have to try and cling on to something.

Not sure about anyone else but it was me that called Sturridge a cheat. Is that what you mean by "they"?

I cant believe the justifications for his actions above, the logic is staggering.

Not sure about anyone else but it was me that called Sturridge a cheat. Is that what you mean by "they"?
I cant believe the justifications for his actions above, the logic is staggering.

I was talking about Man U fans but if you want some more attention I guess it can apply to you as well.

It's just a game, don't take it so seriously.

If you are a Liverpool fan you will know its about more than that 🙄

I watched the MOTD2 footage. Vidic's foot is clearly underneath Sturridge's foot

I think you need your eyes testing. From one angle I can see what you're explaining, from another there's clear daylight between the feet.

I support neither team by the way, but it wasn't a penalty.

(The Carrick one was though)

It's just a game, don't take it so seriously.

Its all pretty mute [ was it or was it not a penalty]we were shit Liverpool looked good and the real issue is whether they will win the league.IMHO you have to say they are in with a shout on this form.
Interesting finish ahead for the top 4 as to who will win out. Could go to any of them tbh.

Moyes looks increasingly out his depth No special one team would have done this and he may not be up to the task.

Only comment in fact when its about Man U, always negatively and then call it banter when you do ...its the grown up thing to do

What would you call it? Bullying? 🙂

Supporting a football team isn't really a grown up activity IMO. Lots of people take it far too seriously.

If you are a Liverpool fan you will know its about more than that

See?

*smug Liverpool support comment and long awaited schadenfreude joke*

9 games to go...

Ok Grum I think thats a bit lost on you 🙄

I assumed it was a reference to the Shankly quote - I don't have to agree with it though do I?

In the digital world that football fans like to inhabit sometimes (probably guilty of it myself in the past), it was a dive and according to the rule book, Sturridge should have been booked and we should all be outraged. Back in the analogue real world, we've all seen penalties given when there was far more fresh air than that between defender and attacker. Vidic's challenge was foolish. In any football league, an attacker is going to buy a penalty from a challenge which completely misses the ball and comes into all-but contact with an attacker in full flight. I might be outraged about it if I thought it might ever change things. Can't hear many Utd fans whinging about it today as they know it made bugger all difference in a game where they may well have lost by five or six. (And that's not meant to be rubbing it in.)

From a neutral: United well beaten, sporting dynasties don't have a divine right to last forever, teams dont have the divine right to win every game. I hope Moyes can turn it around, is Brendan Rogers a football genius is he better than Moyes? Is Moyes better than say Harry Redknapp? Its all about money.

Premiership Football is so far removed from real life its like getting all vexed that Zeus got beaten up by Poseiden 😕

So speaking of Greek gods, anyone else hoping for a little more humiliation for certain team tonight?

Yes the Sturridge pen was a dive, but the Carrick foul later on was a penalty (which wasn't given) so all square then 🙂 And Liverpool didn't get a goal out of either.

it's been said before but to win well you need to learn to lose well.

At least they are getting plenty of practice

I'd like to see them go through tonight and then draw Barcelona or Bayern in the last eight. 😀

Rooney dived too BTW - then angrily demanded a penalty.

I'd like them to go through too, then beat City. Give Moyes as long a stint as possible before getting sacked. 🙂

So - anyone think that a bad result (ie, hit for 4 or 5 tonight which, given current form and confidence, could happen) might lead to Moyes downfall?

[i]So - anyone think that a bad result (ie, hit for 4 or 5 tonight which, given current form and confidence, could happen) might lead to Moyes downfall?[/i]

Well seeing as most Clubs panic when relegation suddenly looms on the horizon, I would say no. Despite their situation, they aren't going to get relegated and a new manager wouldn't get them into the CL places....so may as well see out the season and go from there.

Which of course is continued good news for the rest of us! 🙂

I reckon Utd will win tonight but still go out. Moyes will be given time - but no more than one more season if no improvement is seen.

A strong Man U team would enhance the PL - 5 genuine title contenders has to be a good thing?

Respect to Spurs and Everton but I can't see them breaking into the top 4.

They'll definitely bounce back tonight and absolutely turn Olympiakos over!

Theres no doubt in my mind. I'm absolutely sure of it. I expect not to be uttering the phrase [b]OH FFS!!!!![/b] at all this evening. Not once.

Moyes has just been lulling everyone into a false sense of security up to this point

Good luck with that one Binners.

I think failure to go through tonight, followed by a spanking by city in 2 weeks, will see him out the door. Sort of pointless to sack him at that point, but there's a limit to how long you can tolerate the players openly refusing to play for someone.
V surprised at the pig's arse he's made of things, tbh.

I still can't believe that people think it is Moyes' fault.

I would very much like to see Liverpool win this year but equally don't want Moyes to get the tin tack. The only qulaity players they have at the moment are V Persie, Mata, Rooney and De Gea and out of the only the goalie is actually on form.

An appreciation (by the board and the fans at the match) that it is not really Moyes' fault is why he still has a job, IMO. There are limits, though.
I'd like to see him given the chance to take an axe to the squad and rebuild - not sure he'll have the opportunity.

Its not Moyes fault. Its the idle overpaid bastards on the pitch. With a couple of notable exceptions, none of them look like they can be arsed at all, with VP being the worst obvious offender. He's just having a massive Anelka like strop. I hope he's on the bench tonight. Because he hasn't done anything to justify a starting place.

Moyes needs the chance for a proper clear out. Get rid of those that are just coasting. Which is a good percentage of the squad. I'm sure he's a long list of who's going to be transfer listed literally the second the final whistle of the season blows, and we've finished way off the top 4 in the kind of place Liverpool normally occupy. With them annoyingly occupying the place we normally are.

Moyes proved he can build a good squad. Thats what he's been broughtt in to do. He'll be given the chance to do it. Not knee-jerk sacked like some of the headless chickens presently languishing in the bottom of the table

It may not be his fault but I'm still not sure he's up to the job. He just looks like a broken man and some of the stuff he comes out with sounds pretty defeatist/clueless.

I'm not sure either grum. Far from it. But there aren't any other options right now that are going to make any immediate improvements. BUt I do believe (i think like most United fans) that he needs a chance. He needs a proper transfer window, and start a season fresh. I doubt given that, we'll be where we are next year. (please god!)

We certainly should be looking to get shut of a few people, but at the moment, theres a lengthening list I'd show the door before Moyes

I really hope MU pull it off tonight and in style. But still think Moyes is sadly doomed. Ok he's inherited problems but he has to address his own body language and some crap tactics - if only for his own health. He needs to show some gravitas, he's not managing a mid table side now (sorry toffees), he's managing one of the globes biggest brands. Time to act as if you belong in the job, David old boy!! Good luck tonight.

Surely if its not Moyes fault Utd are rubbish currently, its also the case that Rodgers isn't responsible for the improvement at Liverpool?

Which is of course ridiculous.

Its Moyes fault, its his job to mould the players, improve them, give them knowledge, tactics, skills etc.

As much fun as watching Utd's decline is it's been coming, the last couple of seasons results have been ground out, they've not won a game or demolished an opposition team for a fair while.

One thing I was surprised about was the lack of boos after the game at the weekend, losing in what many people see as the biggest game of the premiership at home like that should've provoked some reaction, it's almost like the fans have slipped into some sort of coma

11 point margin with a team than looked pretty average in paper. In hindsight, and amazing achievement last season?

I'd like to see them go through tonight and then draw Barcelona or Bayern in the last eight.

Moyes proved he can build a good squad

. Ok he's inherited problems but he has to address his own body language and some crap tactics

Its hard to tell if he is out of his depth or not but it is not looking good. The team is a shambles of some of that ha to be his fault as they dont seem to want to play for him or they have no clue what he wants them to do.