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Gollum's gone, huzzah.
But to be honest all premier league managers are the public face of the club, so they are seen as where the buck should stop. True even when others, like chief execs, make poor decisions influential in why a team aint performing. In this case they didnt bolster the squad enough when they tried and had let David Gill go, a bad management decision.
Pardew is on a similar tight rope, no recent performances yet has had arguably his best players sold from under him. Cabaye. Ashley looks upon them as assets and when the asset reaches great market value he sells which is a bit of a short term game.
Hardly worthy of the Old Trafford hot seat.
The only managers that would take the job after fergie from the list the Man U fans deem worthy of them would all tell them where to shove it, ageing squad and unrealistic expectations post fergie. The next on the list would be the big name severance package lot (see Chelsea/Man City rejects)
Fergie picked Moyes either as he knew it would make him look better (wouldn't surprise me) or because he though he would be the right man to rebuild united going forward. Turns out he was right in the first one and we will never know on the second. I'd expect Moyes to go on from this and either prove a lot of folk wrong or end up as a 2 year at every top flight club manager.
The only managers that would take the job after fergie from the list the Man U fans deem worthy of them would all tell them where to shove it, ageing squad and unrealistic expectations post fergie. The next on the list would be the big name severance package lot (see Chelsea/Man City rejects)
This made me laugh:
I imagine he'd jump at the chance of leaving an unsuccessful club like Bayern for the opportunity to boost Utd into the Europa next year.
I honestly believe that Fergie thought Moyes could do the job of steadying ManU after his departure and maybe even doing better. It just it turns out Moyes doesn't have it. Happens all the time in business.
It's hard to know what's going on upstairs at ManU. Giving Rooney a long contract why, when he simply isn't good enough, then spending a fortune on Mata who plays in a similar position.
They should be competing in the transfer market with Real and Barca.
Well Barca have been somewhat bending the rules on transfers for a while, so not sure anyone could truly compete with them. Look at the dodgy deals around Naymar.
Where will Moyes end up? Swansea, Norwich? It's a long road back for his career now.
It's hard to know what's going on upstairs at ManU. Giving Rooney a long contract why, when he simply isn't good enough, then spending a fortune on Mata who plays in a similar position.
It's about image. Players generally don't leave Man Utd - because it's the 'biggest club in the world' - they get moved on by the club when the time is right. While Fergie could and should have got shot of Rooney a couple of years ago, such a departure at the start of the Moyes era wouldn't have gone down as well.
If they've got any sense they'll ship him out at the end of the season.
Trouble is they've got gaps to plug in virtually every area of the field.
Never mind Rooney and the insanity of his £300 grand a week. They gave Nani a new 5 year contract! 😯 I wouldn't give him his bus fare home. He's absolutely bloody hopeless!!!
I really hope that Giggs gets the, er, gig for a bit longer than until the end of the season.
He won't be putting up with any slackness.
But United don't have the balls that Liverpool had when appointing King Kenny.
The only managers that would take the job after fergie from the list the Man U fans deem worthy of them would all tell them where to shove it
Apparently Jose cried when he did not get the job so I think that is a little OTT
Did Ferguson never think that the Glazers would be bad for the club and oppose them? - he (and arguably Bobby Charlton) is the only person who could have stopped the plundering of the club but he chose to stand by and watch and even approve (maybe because of his spat with the previous owners over a racehouse ffs!).
He did work a miracle last year when winning the title as his gamble on RVP paid off big time but he left the club in a shambles.
The players have also proven themselves to be spineless - no pride or grit in evidence at all.
The only vaguely commendable thing over the past season is not appointing Mourinho due to his appalling standards of behaviour.
It will be interesting to see who the next manager will be. Klopp would be a breath of fresh air but has said he does not want the job.
Anyone who thinks Giggs should be given a crack is insane.
The only vaguely commendable thing over the past season is not appointing Mourinho due to his appalling standards of behaviour.
Yeah right...cause SAF has been such a model of good behaviour & restraint over the years.... 🙄
Yeah right...cause SAF has been such a model of good behaviour & restraint over the years....
I am no Ferguson lover and agree that his behaviour has been curmugeonly over a long period (and reprehensible at times) but Mourinho takes it to a whole new level. Ask Anders Frisk, Jose Guardiola and Tito Vilanova.
Mourinho is just emulating what he has seen Fergi get away with for years. The only difference is when Fergi did it, all the media went "cooo he is such a genius at mind games" where as with Mourinho they have started to show it for what it is.
In fact one of the interesting things this season has been watching the media re-appraisal over their handling of united.
Anyone who thinks Giggs should be given a crack is insane
There has got to be a joke in there about Ryans peccadillos 😉
I think the whole affair shows football for what it really is, sadly Rugby seems to be going in the same direction.
Anyone who thinks Giggs should be given a crack is insane
Buys them time though. Hes got nothing to muck up has he so kinda ideal.
There has got to be a joke in there about Ryans peccadillos
something something balls deep something etc
Did Ferguson never think that the Glazers would be bad for the club and oppose them? - he (and arguably Bobby Charlton) is the only person who could have stopped the plundering of the club but he chose to stand by and watch and even approve
Fergie talks about this in his autobiography. Something along the lines of that side of it is none of his business...his job and what he was paid to do was to manage the team.
Interesting for 24-36 hours but I hope news broadcasters bring back some perspective soon. Beeb website is somewhat skewed in terms of the actual important of this story. Bored of the radio coverage already although it makes you think that MU have a sustained period of restructuring ahead of them.
New golf courses - owner 1, invests and loses it all. Owner 2 buys distressed asset but still loses it all. Owner 3 buys distressed asset amd finally makes a return. SAF successor 1 is a bit like owner 1. It didn't matter who was chosen it was never going to work IMO. Not sure the next guy will succeed either.
Hopefully back pages tomorrow though.
Pigface - Member
I think the whole affair shows football for what it really is
A business?
I wasn't a fan of Moyes, but he had a very difficult job and should have been given more time.
Really?
He took over a club at the top,the champions who had won the Premier league by 11 points,have one of the best academy and a top worldwide player/club feeder system,are the biggest club in the world,the best supported etc etc,had £100+ million to spend,had plenty of time a full pre season -more than Pellgrini did and all he had to was finish in the top 4.Instead he has broken more records for cr*p perfromance and has led United to an all time premier low points wise.That really takes something and it isn't more time.
In some respects, I feel sorry for Moyes. Poisoned chalice, acclaimed predecessor and err, well those two.
In all other respects, I don't. Getting rid of coaching continuity was his first decision and faux pas.
He would make a very good Championship manager and if I were to offer him any career guidance at this time, it would be that and in five years or so, he could have another go at being a mid-table premiership club.
Although, I imagine his severance deal would enable him not to bother with any of it any more. It's all about knowing one's limitations innit?
[i]Anyone who thinks Giggs should be given a crack is insane[/i]
I'm not sure who is qualified to say Giggs would be a bad choice, as I think he has as good a chance of anyone to succeed. I think someone who is still playing the game, yet is 40 yrs old and worked at the highest level for his whole career knows exactly what is needed.
What we don't know is if his personality is up to it....the media pressure, tactics etc. One way to find out!
He took over a club at the top,the champions who had won the Premier league by 11 points,have one of the best academy and a top worldwide player/club feeder system,are the biggest club in the world,the best supported etc etc,had £100+ million to spend,had plenty of time a full pre season -more than Pellgrini did and all he had to was finish in the top 4.Instead he has broken more records for cr*p perfromance and has led United to an all time premier low points wise.That really takes something and it isn't more time.
When Ferguson took over at united, he inherited a fantastic squad, by far the most expensive squad assembled in England at that time maybe even the world. Every bit the equivalence of the current City or Chelsea teams.
But it was a squad, given it's abundance of talents, very much under performing.
Whereas Moyes has taken over a squad that pretty much everyone accepts has over performed for the last couple of seasons, especially last season.
In my opinion, Moyes was faced with a much harder task than Ferguson was, not just because of the extreme expectation that now exists, but because it is easier to do something with an under performing team than it is with one that has overachieved. I know which position I would rather be in. And iirc in those first few years in charge Ferguson had a couple of mid table finishes.
My brother a die hard Red signed a petition at work a few weeks back calling for everyone to get off Moyes's back and to stick with him.It was only later he realised it had been devised and passed round by City fans 😀
dooosuk - Member
Where will Moyes end up? Swansea, Norwich? It's a long road back for his career now.
Personally, if I was sitting on a severance package like his and the stress etc the job had caused me over the last 10months I'd walk away from the game and not chase future glories, which can only end badly IMHO.
moyes would be welcomed a wealth of places
nick1962 - Member
It was only later he realised it had been devised and passed round by City fans
😆
That reminds me of city having an online vote to what one of the stands would be called when they moved into wastelands. All the united fans got on and voted for it to be named after Colin Bell, so it would then be known as the Bell End 😆
Ok. Can they give Moyes his job back? Sick of 5Live jizzing their pants over the story, who is going to replace him, what he had for dinner before being sacked, was it the sandwich he had last Friday that was the final straw etc etc.
Tony Pulis to keep us up next season
Man U fans - who do you want to replace him? And who do you think it will be?
The one positive about all of this is that Morinho didn't get the job last year which hacked him off enormously !
Negative for me is that I wanted to see Van Gaal at Spurs and there must be a good chance he goes to ManU now.
[i]Man U fans - who do you want to replace him? And who do you think it will be?[/i]
I'm not a Man U fan, but apart from Van Gaal who appears to be available , who else is there? I mean obviously there are decent managers out there, but such is the situation they would inherit and the pressure to get immediate results, you would wonder who would leave a good existing club to go there?
When Ferguson took over at united, he inherited a fantastic squad, by far the most expensive squad assembled in England at that time maybe even the world. Every bit the equivalence of the current City or Chelsea teams.
But it was a squad, given it's abundance of talents, very much under performing.
Whereas Moyes has taken over a squad that pretty much everyone accepts has over performed for the last couple of seasons, especially last season.
Mwahhahahah – WTF you on about – a fantastic squad me hole...
It was a bunch of underachieving pissheads with a few big names, had won bugger all since ’67 – SAF had replaced nearly 20 players before he won that FA cup 3 years later. But not only did he sort out the dross he invested a shitload into the youth setup, sorted out training so players were a lot fitter with better endurance and eating properly plus increased the number of scouts and coaches. The overperforming UTD has been top 2 in the Prem for the last 8 years, which included 2 Cl finals… maybe that’s their level and people forget it’s a team sport?
In a similar way to Brendan Rodgers, SAF showed things were moving in the right direction, positive changes were being made and when that happens you can see why managers are given time.
Moyes has taken the PL champions, added Mata (one of the best players from our rivals) and Fellani and dropped them down to his level (7th, and 20 odd points off the top), in the process he’s managed to mismanage his squad rotation (52 different teams as I recall, but played Rio for 8 games straight at the start of the season with his knackered back, dropped Nani into the Everton match when he wasn’t match sharp, but he could have been brought on when we were beating Newcastle/west brom), repeatedly thrown Valancia/Smalling in the right back position despite them proving again and again that they are “emergency” options there only and don’t get me started on his press conferences…. “Liverpool coming here as favourites”, “we enjoyed ourselves in the CL..”, “We aspire to be like Real Madrid, Barca etc…”
The one thing he appears to have gotten right was changing the goalie coach, although Steele was the one that has bulked up saveydavey and woods has benefitted.
I'd love to go back and find the bit where someone said "Utd are not a sacking club..."
and I said "you don't know that, they've never been in a position to have to sack their manager before as they've been winning".
But I cant' be bothered lol.
I'm only shocked it took so long to be honest... he got exactly what his results/performances deserved.
Mwahhahahah – WTF you on about – a fantastic squad me hole...
Well no one else had splashed the cash like united had at that time, they had won the FA cup twice in the years preceding fergi's reign, and were in the top 4 for the previous 5 years, but even so they were considered to be a team that should have been doing better with the squad they had.
All footballers were boozy smokers then, they all had bad diets and didn't understand fitness. There was relatively easy progress to be made in modernising training methods then, changes that cannot be made any more.
I know united fans want to rewrite history, but the reality is fergi took over a top squad, and struggled with it for a few years. In his first year he finished lower than Moyes, and in 4 of his first 5 years he finished lower than Atkinson ever had.
MSP - MemberMwahhahahah – WTF you on about – a fantastic squad me hole...
Well no one else had splashed the cash like united had at that time, they had won the FA cup twice in the years preceding fergi's reign, and were in the top 4 for the previous 5 years, but even so they were considered to be a team that should have been doing better with the squad they had.
All footballers were boozy smokers then, they all had bad diets and didn't understand fitness. There was relatively easy progress to be made in modernising training methods then, changes that cannot be made any more.
I know united fans want to rewrite history, but the reality is fergi took over a top squad, and struggled with it for a few years. In his first year he finished lower than Moyes, and in 4 of his first 5 years he finished lower than Atkinson ever had.
Football was a completely different sport back then, far less corporate. The owners were completely different... the whole thing doesn't bear a seconds comparioson.
Yes I know, just replying to the mythical notion that Fergi took over a crap team an Moyes took over world beaters.
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Well I guess it's all fixed again....
Giggs out!
Pretty impressive run of results by Sunderland (apart from beating united, which isn't at all impressive)
I'd be worried if I were a man u fan seems to me like the players now have control & don't want to lose it. It would explain the moaning from a few of them about a strict disciplinarian potentially coming into the club...
.Pretty impressive run of results by Sunderland (apart from beating united, which isn't at all impressive)
Agree entirely. Sorry about United's current predicament, but I think Poyet is going places - maybe not at Sunderland, though! 🙂
Giggs out!
He has some years to go before he can match Wengers level of fail 😉
I wont be able to use that joke for much longer 😥
He has some years to go before he can match Wengers level of fail
😥