Sadly, one Banksy I can't see being lovingly protected for future enjoyment by the public.
Was ready to go 'meh' when I opened the thread but that is great
Oooff! Excellent. Hits hard which is unlike him.
It’s all over SM having had the placard turned into a St George’s flag. 🙄
It’s all over SM having had the placard turned into a St George’s flag. 🙄
Oh dear - that's the problem with art, it's in the eye of the beholder. Could just as easily be a Palistine flag or a 'just stop oil' logo as a george dross.
It's about the right to protest, not the right to be a racist wetherspoons patron who sets fire to dustbins, but as always, the distinction is lost on some.
Oh dear - that's the problem with art, it's in the eye of the beholder. Could just as easily be a Palistine flag or a 'just stop oil' logo as a george dross.
Given banksy's previous and the timing, I think it is more likely to be primarily about the arrests of palestine action protesters and then secondly about the more generalised oppression of protest.
A gavel? Is that an intentional nod towards the influence of American style justice?
I know he's done stuff in Jerusalem. Tbh, I thought they weren't so angry, visceral as this but that's just my view I guess.
HMCTS confirm it's to be removed. Tne Queens building is listed so it is required to be kept un altered (the building that is)
Brilliant. There's video on Threads of it going in if you like cranes.
Went to the unofficial exhibition thing currently in Manchester the other week. It is very good.
The Mystery of Banksy - Manchester
I hope it’s taken down asap. I didnt realise there was a new rule that said you can put political art anywhere you like and it’s fine. Does that apply to all art or artists or only those of certain political views. Would everyone be equally happy if it had a different political view?
I hope it’s taken down asap. I didnt realise there was a new rule that said you can put political art anywhere you like and it’s fine. Does that apply to all art or artists or only those of certain political views. Would everyone be equally happy if it had a different political view?
There's a long tradition of street art as protest. Some would say that art is meant to be provocative.
By any objective measure, this would seem to be better quality than most. It'll also be a boost for tourism and bring some amusement to people for as long as it stays.
Does that apply to all art or artists or only those of certain political views.
why not try it and find out? If has happened without permission then surely the opportunity to do the same is there for everyone.
I'm not sure if I'd say that it's political art - as I'm not sure theres any stripe of politics where someone wouldn't march confidently forward blinded by a set of ideals. It's art about politics but it's not political art. Do you feel particular 'seen' as the guy on the plinth?
You can put art anywhere you like, for a while at least, and it's fine. Lots of it happens for purely commercial purposes rather than cultural one. I once made large scale replicas of the arc de triomphe and the Eiffel Tower to plonk a round British cities to advertise cheap flights - hand out a few leaflets and freebees then move on before anyone gets too bothered about it.
I hope it’s taken down asap
Ok. Why do you?
I hope it’s taken down asap. I didnt realise there was a new rule that said you can put political art anywhere you like and it’s fine. Does that apply to all art or artists or only those of certain political views. Would everyone be equally happy if it had a different political view?
What do you find so disturbing about this piece? And can you provide an example of art from this "other" political view that has been censored or removed?
Left and right can be blinded by the flags they follow. Just see some of the debates on here.
I hope it’s taken down asap. I didnt realise there was a new rule that said you can put political art anywhere you like and it’s fine. Does that apply to all art or artists or only those of certain political views. Would everyone be equally happy if it had a different political view?
It’s a nice piece of art in its self and it’s actually not damaged anything.
Where as I find the current flagshagging painting of roundabouts and walls a bit naff.
I hope it’s taken down asap. I didnt realise there was a new rule that said you can put political art anywhere you like and it’s fine. Does that apply to all art or artists or only those of certain political views. Would everyone be equally happy if it had a different political view?
What do you find so disturbing about this piece? And can you provide an example of art from this "other" political view that has been censored or removed?
Left and right can be blinded by the flags they follow. Just see some of the debates on here.
Nothing. It’s the principle that it’s ok to just put stuff up wherever you like and thats fine. IMHO is just as bad as the naff flags that have appeared on lamppost in recent months. 2 sides of the same coin.
Does that apply to all art or artists or only those of certain political views.
why not try it and find out? If has happened without permission then surely the opportunity to do the same is there for everyone.
I'm not sure if I'd say that it's political art - as I'm not sure theres any stripe of politics where someone wouldn't march confidently forward blinded by a set of ideals. It's art about politics but it's not political art. Do you feel particular 'seen' as the guy on the plinth?
You can put art anywhere you like, for a while at least, and it's fine. Lots of it happens for purely commercial purposes rather than cultural one. I once made large scale replicas of the arc de triomphe and the Eiffel Tower to plonk a round British cities to advertise cheap flights - hand out a few leaflets and freebees then move on before anyone gets too bothered about it.
TBH I fancied something like that or a big dinosaur to plonk in the garden when I was struggling to get parcels delivered,its the house with the Effiel tower/Dinosaur in the garden.
(TBH it’s Spain so I doubt anyone would worry if I stuck up a 12foot dildo, oddly whacking a U.K. flag up seemed more rude outside of a World Cup.)
2 sides of the same coin.
Really? I didn't realise that the Banksy was an attempt to intimidate already disadvantaged groups.
I hope it’s taken down asap. I didnt realise there was a new rule that said you can put political art anywhere you like and it’s fine. Does that apply to all art or artists or only those of certain political views. Would everyone be equally happy if it had a different political view?
What do you find so disturbing about this piece? And can you provide an example of art from this "other" political view that has been censored or removed?
Left and right can be blinded by the flags they follow. Just see some of the debates on here.
Nothing. It’s the principle that it’s ok to just put stuff up wherever you like and thats fine. IMHO is just as bad as the naff flags that have appeared on lamppost in recent months. 2 sides of the same coin.
Hmm he’s literally (in theory)given away a multimillion pound artwork to the council 🙂
Nothing. It’s the principle that it’s ok to just put stuff up wherever you like and thats fine. IMHO is just as bad as the naff flags that have appeared on lamppost in recent months. 2 sides of the same coin.
Hmmm. Much like the guy with the flag round his face I'm not seeing that, tbh.
IMHO is just as bad as the naff flags that have appeared on lamppost in recent months.
Flags on lamp posts are not art.
TBH I fancied something like that or a big dinosaur to plonk in the garden when I was struggling to get parcels delivered,its the house with the Effiel tower/Dinosaur in the garden.
Funnily enough - the Arc de Triomph did end up in someones garden
But why stop at the garden
Didn’t it turn out that the people who put the flags up and painted roundabouts were paid to do so?
Also one was a clearly racist provocation, and th other was not. So there’s that…
It’s a cool and clever statue, they should leave it up. It’s an important reminder to everyone that people blinded by ideology of any kind are extremely dangerous.
I think the statue is absolutely brilliant...I think I'm liking it so much as I completely get it (I rarely get any art).
I hope it stays for a long time.
IMHO is just as bad as the naff flags that have appeared on lamppost in recent months.
Flags on lamp posts are not art.
So you're the arbitrator of what is art?
Who appointed you?
So you're the arbitrator of what is art?
Who appointed you?
Oh dear.
Does that apply to all art or artists or only those of certain political views.
why not try it and find out? If has happened without permission then surely the opportunity to do the same is there for everyone.
I'm not sure if I'd say that it's political art - as I'm not sure theres any stripe of politics where someone wouldn't march confidently forward blinded by a set of ideals. It's art about politics but it's not political art. Do you feel particular 'seen' as the guy on the plinth?
You can put art anywhere you like, for a while at least, and it's fine. Lots of it happens for purely commercial purposes rather than cultural one. I once made large scale replicas of the arc de triomphe and the Eiffel Tower to plonk a round British cities to advertise cheap flights - hand out a few leaflets and freebees then move on before anyone gets too bothered about it.
It's somewhat like satire in stand up comedy, and cartoons. Which Britain has a long long history of. Arguably it is part of what actually makes us British (along with being a genetic mix of French, German, Scandinavian, African, Indian, culture, and a miniscule portion of native English). Now, why is it that 99 % of satirical stand up is left leaning ? It's because it's by its nature highlighting and ridiculing inequality, wrong, and downright immoral. Which is why there's few to no fascist stand ups in Britain. Because they'd have to expose and take the piss out of their own.
The people who don't like this are usually those that support oppression and inequality.
TBH I fancied something like that or a big dinosaur to plonk in the garden when I was struggling to get parcels delivered,its the house with the Effiel tower/Dinosaur in the garden.
Funnily enough - the Arc de Triomph did end up in someones garden
But why stop at the garden
I do like that, there is someone in Mojacar with a whale oddly.
It's somewhat like satire in stand up comedy, and cartoons. Which Britain has a long long history of. Arguably it is part of what actually makes us British (along with being a genetic mix of French, German, Scandinavian, African, Indian, culture, and a miniscule portion of native English)
that, and Nectar Points of course
So you're the arbitrator of what is art?
Who appointed you?
Oh dear.
that’s not really an answer is it. Just a cop out.
Didn’t it turn out that the people who put the flags up and painted roundabouts were paid to do so?
Also one was a clearly racist provocation, and th other was not. So there’s that…
Do you think banksy did this for free and paid for all the materials and installation himself?
Do you think banksy did this for free and paid for all the materials and installation himself?
Probably - he's not short of a bob or two.
The way I make art (on the odd occasion that I make it) is to commission - so I get paid to develop and produce work and install artworks. But artists can also work speculatively - make work and see who wants to buy it. He has no difficulty at all selling work, he doesn't need help to bring work into being and has no trouble getting it publicises.
Secrecy and surprise are a big part of his MO so having a commissioner in the mix is just a hinderance for all that
Probably - he's not short of a bob or two.
Actually curiosity got the better of me - Companies House returns suggest he's got about £5m sitting in the bank (more probably as he has more than one business entity handling his various enterprises.
For context/comparison I put together something similar a couple of years ago (larger than life-size bronze effect statue, stone effect plinth) and the direct production costs were only about £10k
