Hora - The usual lucid and well thought through contribution. You're just too tight to pay for coke when we're out in town. And pissed off cos none of us lot will give you any of ours 😛
[i]Drugs in your 30's+. Abit sad really as you are dependent/hooked/a user.
Or just missed out on it first time round so therefore [/i]
Lets just get one thing straight... plant hallucinogens are very different to street drugs such as crack, pills, speed & heroin etc. Plant hallucinogens are naturally occuring and used in the correct set and setting are very beneficial to individual taking part.
Hora... It is impossible to get hooked on psilocybe semilanceata (that's the name of mushrooms which I ate btw)
..and for the record Im forty years old and have had an interest in the psychedelic experience for at least twenty two years - I know what I am doing. It isn't about 'getting of your face' It actually takes a bit courage to use plant hallucinogens and they should not be taken without consideration and care.
Kev
binners and keva earlier
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Jesus!!! I've just had a thought. Can you imagine the conversation with Hora on Drugs?!!!
I thought he was - given the drivel he posts.
Because I dont bang the right-on drum or big up drugs? 😐
I guess Hora is the Manchurian equivalent of Rab C Nesbit - living in Chorlton and goes out drinking in posh Didsbury...
He doesn't actually live in Chorlton. He lives in what the estate agents refer to as Chorlton Borders, and what the rest of us refer to as Stretford
but crack on I say.
I hope that was deliberate?...
Dunno, is this the older drug-gang trying to gang up on a non-addict?
Often in the Northern Quarter of Manchester I see the detritus and suffering that drug abuse brings.
Often in the Northern Quarter of Manchester I see the detritus and suffering that drug abuse brings.
What? Graphic designers?
I think you will find that drug is mainly alcohol.
Hora - the reason you are having the piss taken out of you is you post stuff that is demonstrably wrong and you show your ignorance all too often.
FWIW I have made no moral judgements about drugs at all - good or bad. Merely tried to present some facts about drugs and my opinions on how to deal with the issues around drug use.
It is a fact that alcohol causes far more problems than all other drugs put together and that some drugs have very little in the way of adverse effects
Hora just sounds like a parent in the making, I bet he 'dad dances' already...
Just say no...
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Often in the Northern Quarter of Manchester I see the detritus and suffering that drug abuse brings.What? Graphic designers?
Quite funny for you 😆
TandemJeremy, I'm not going to bother responding.
is Hora a bus driver for Magic Bus...
your not very sensible if you are still into drug related self abuse at 40, (same with booze). For those though that have been sucked in it because of an adictive personality of have related psychiatric problems need sympathy and good treatment. Portugal has started possibly one of the best approaches to drugs but it's not a free for all, they are really serious about what they are doing and treament for adiction is part of the approach. You should take a look at it, wish we had the same here.
Remember the law on drugs (and other things) is there for all, it may be miss guided at times (for you/me) but there are some people that need protection whats out there. Johnny Cash had a good song about this (Why I wear Black?), but the best is Neil Young (Neddle and the damage done?). For some life get really tough when it goes wrong and I'm not sure that the debate on drugs (here or anywhere) ever gets to the issues.
[i]is Hora a bus driver for Magic Bus...[/i]
No, but Ive been around sometime and seen alot. Ive seen too much to want any part of any form of recreational drug. Especially now that the LSD/etc that we knew is now a total different sort of quality and can be mixed with other drugs.
Alot of people need protection from drugs. Some are more susceptible than others to addiction etc. Same with alcohol. Although alcohol isnt seen as risky or cool beyond the age of 13yrs old is it?
On alcohol, It killed my bestfriends Mum at 41yrs old.
[i]your not very sensible if you are still into drug related self abuse at 40, (same with booze). [/i]
sticking needles in your arms is not very sensible no matter how old you are.
Kev
your not very sensible if you are still into drug related self abuse at 40, (same with booze).
Define 'into'. I like a drink at 41 - does that make me a self abuser? Or are you talking about alcoholism, which is no 'better' or acceptable no matter the age of the alcoholic.
your not very sensible if you are still into drug related self abuse at 40
You are not sensible if you are abusing [anything] at any age but when exactly are we all expected to become clean living and give up tea, coffee, alcohol, recreational drugs etc?
Remember the law on drugs (and other things) is there for all, it may be miss guided at times (for you/me) but there are some people that need protection whats out there
I agree some people end up addicted to gambling therefore we ahould ban it despite the fact the majority dont./ Surely the law should be for the majority who partake without any serious harm to themselves rather than for the minority who do develop issues
We need to ban MTB I know people who have hurt themselves permanently doing that craaaaazzzzyyy stuff man....etc
viewing anything as black or white in your 40's is a little naive to say the least.
Jesus CK, you sound like a Yank.
Errr, I'm not sure how I manage to sound "like a Yank"? What trait of Yanks do you associate with what I've said?
Lets just get one thing straight... plant hallucinogens are very different to street drugs such as crack, pills, speed & heroin etc. Plant hallucinogens are naturally occuring and used in the correct set and setting are very beneficial to individual taking part.
LOL. I can't think of anything LESS beneficial than hallucination. Enlighten me, what exactly is it that is so beneficial?
the PROBLEM with drugs (in my personal opinion) is due to its illegality.
the industry has been driven underground, and so isnt regulated.
people have been brewing stronger and stronger strains of alcohol since forever, which in my mind is no difference from growing stronger and stronger strains of weed or whatever.
but at least its written on the bottle of alcohol!
theres ALWAYS going to be some moron who thinks its a good idea to kill himself through excess, with alcohol, or speed or whatever.
legalise it all, write on it what strength it is and educate people as to how it messes them up, after that, leave them to it, and dont spend excessive public money on mopping them up.
i hate drugs, and havent touched anything other than alcohol (on the recreational front i mean) but the problems with illegal drugs always seem to be deaths through dirty needles, addicts not being able to afford the drugs and spending all thier worldly money on the stuff, or people no knowing whats in it surely!
and dont spend excessive public money on mopping them up.
But thats where the problem lies. We as a society can't do that, we feel compelled to piece people back together regardless (rightly or wrongly), that will never change.
TBH almost all the problems I've seen with drugs have been permanent psychological changes in people from relatively minor use, not death - that was a one-off. I'm not convinced education works, or that people who are young enough to experiment are capable of taking that education and using it to make a rational decision. While looking at the current situation of alcohol age limits - what you find is teens thinking its "cool" to go out and get smashed because a massive number of the general public do too. Convert that to drug world - some kids try light drugs, very few try hard drugs. Legalise the lot and see how soon that changes, and how soon the kids drunk on the corner become dead kids on the corner. And considering the known psychological problems linked to drug use, see the ticking timebomb coming in the future...
If you need drugs to hit the 'highs' I thoroughly recommend concentrating on your orgasms more. i.e. Prolong and intensity. Go tantric etc.
Abit icky but when you know how to give and receive proper orgasm's then you'll see drugs as 'artificial'.
...and used in the correct set and setting are very beneficial to individual taking part.
Same with Ecstasy(which was going to be called Empathy but it wouldn't sell as well)/MDMA.
Empathy and an open mind can be a wonderful thing.
There's some significant ignorant bullshit on here, but arguing either for or against something that is a personal choice is silly so I ain't going to get involved.
But, pmsl at Hora and his 'Go Tantric' advice. Classic
[Yorkshireman]Its free to practice[/Yorkshireman]
Hora's sexual guru
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"What tires for a pick-up on the corner? Can we put a wiretap on STW?"
Same with Ecstasy(which was going to be called Empathy but it wouldn't sell as well)/MDMA.Empathy and an open mind can be a wonderful thing.
MDMA is a legally prescribed drug in Switzerland. It's used in marriage counselling due to fact it allows people to open up and talk about their feelings freely.
noteeth, I cant stand WIRED! Tedious for me!
Those keraaaaaaazy swiss party animals. And if that doesn't work, you can legally bump yourself off. They really have thought of everything 😀
Right Im up for an orgasm, come on...someone offer up their leg to me 😀
it's called 'The Wire' hora...
coffeeking - MembeTBH almost all the problems I've seen with drugs have been permanent psychological changes in people from relatively minor use, not death - that was a one-off. I'm not convinced education works, or that people who are young enough to experiment are capable of taking that education and using it to make a rational decision. While looking at the current situation of alcohol age limits - what you find is teens thinking its "cool" to go out and get smashed because a massive number of the general public do too. Convert that to drug world - some kids try light drugs, very few try hard drugs. Legalise the lot and see how soon that changes, and how soon the kids drunk on the corner become dead kids on the corner. And considering the known psychological problems linked to drug use, see the ticking timebomb coming in the future...
There is absolutly no evidnce that taking one drug makes you more likely to try another. Drugs of all kinds are easily available. Infact the evidence actually points the other way - if "soft" drugs are easily available use of "hard" drugs oes down
There is no real concensus about the links between mental illness and drug use.
There are 3 possible options - co incidence - these people would have developed mental illness anyway, Trigger - they were likely to have the mental illness anyway and the drug triggered it or Causes. I personally believe "trigger" is the truth
Illegal drugs of one sort or another are taken by millions of people in the UK every week. Prohibition has failed
Once we had way too many mushies so we tried just eating some aswell ( I hate eatign mushrooms) . I was sitting in the back of my mates moms car, eat a load and started to throw up, hands over mouth and swallowed it all back down. LOVELY!
Oh and riding round on LCD or Mushies is a right laugh.
it's called 'The Wire' hora...
Aye, GF fell asleep watchin gthe 2nd episode whilst muttering 'wheres the shooting/action'. I gave up halfway through the 3rd.
