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The media interst is the price they pay for their psrt inbread and circuses. I have zero sympathy.
I think the point a lot of people are alluding to is that; some things should be private, regardless of who you are, it's, dare I say it, a human rights issue and should be universal.
It seems certain tabloids/media outlets/personalities are disproportionately obsessed with 'the royals' though... to the point where it's just really weird and wrong...
I suspect Catherine believes Wills forgot their anniversary.
mattyfezFull Member
I think the point a lot of people are alluding to is that; some things should be private, regardless of who you are, it’s, dare I say it, a human rights issue and should be universal.
Once you open the door to the press and use the press to your advantage then its very hard to put a stop to it. Live by the sword and die by it. Complaints about press intrusion when your main reason for being is press manipulation ring hollow at best
You don’t have a right into people’s private lives
On a human level I agree with you. But the situation of having a monarchy in 2024 is an absurd one, and generates absurd expectations on both sides. The concept of accountability and transparency and monarchy are very odd bedfellows. All a modern monarch/royal family member has to offer to justify their existence is the ongoing narrative of their personal life and the public's bizarre fascination in it. Without that they are literally nothing - a completely pointless entity.
A side note to ponder....if a democratically elected nation leader was ill - ill enough to take a leave of absence from the role we elected them to do; would the voting public be entitled to know much about it? When Johnson got covid and ended up in intensive care, did we 'need' to know? Should a head of state be afforded more privacy just because they were born into it or married into it?
To be fair - the lady in question is not a head of state, no-one else is worse off if she is sick, and maybe it is unfair to expect her or the dizzy poshos in her press offices to be aware of the rules maintained by photo agencies. (On one hand, there was a huge scandal in 2013 after the World Press Photo winner was accused of compositing, more or less like Kate did. On the other hand, photo agencies precipitated the death of her husband's mother).
The health of Biden, Churchill, Trump, Johnson, Geoff Gallop, Kiri Allen, and Kjell Magne Bondavik have all been the subject of debate because they did or do jobs where other people can't fill in if they're sick.
All a modern monarch/royal family member has to offer to justify their existence is the ongoing narrative of their personal life and the public’s bizarre fascination in it. Without that they are literally nothing – a completely pointless entity.
That's actually a very non flowery, anti-inflammatory and hard to argue with evaluation of a monarchy in this century.
I approve.👍😁
How is this even a thing with all the mad shit happening around the globe. Just leave the woman alone FFS. Not you lot btw. I mean the press and weirdos that have some strange need to know what the royals are doing every second of the day. It’s just strange.
For some people it’s their Rule 34.
It seems certain tabloids/media outlets/personalities are disproportionately obsessed with ‘the royals’ though… to the point where it’s just really weird and wrong…
Piers Morgan, see Rule 34.
Just like they should not have a right to pick and choose laws, take money from people to support their lifestyles and so on I suppose. Seems a little bit one sided…
Which laws, exactly? And as for taking money to support their lifestyle, I think a large part of the government should be included in that. The Civil List, which covers the Royal Family, plus maintenance of the Holdings, comes out of the money paid to the government out of the profits of all of the Royal holdings, in lew of direct taxation, IIRC. In effect, they don’t cost us anything. Again, AFAIK.
Regarding this photo, Kate’s a keen, amateur photographer, and like many others, likes to retouch errors noticed later. I really can’t be arsed to do any more than crop an image these days, but years ago I’d edit my photos. However, back then it was my job to retouch photos in Photoshop, well before most people knew the technology existed, and even then, around a quarter of a century ago, I knew that photographs lied through their teeth. People just used a paintbrush and or an airbrush.
A rather sanctimonious spokesperson from the news agencies was pontificating about never accepting amendments to photos used in news articles.
I’ll bet Pinocchio wishes he could stop his nose growing like her, ‘cos I don’t believe her for a second. It’s just that the news agencies have professionals who know how not to leave any traces.
Like me, if I could be arsed.
@CountZero
Which laws, exactly?
I might well be wrong but isn't Sovereign Immunity a real thing? Genuinely, I thought it was?
Bizarre. What a time to do a quick write-up on William's side piece!
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1766834273888162074
We're going to need an extra series of The Crown at this rate...
The Marchioness of Cholmondeley lives at Houghton Hall with her husband, David Rocksavage, 7th Marquess of Cholmondeley
That sentence from the article above pretty much sums up the utter hilarity of monarchy and inherited wealth/titles!😁
The jokes on us unfortunately!
Harry Enfield - Mr Cholmondley Warner on The Working Class
I might well be wrong but isn’t Sovereign Immunity a real thing? Genuinely, I thought it was?
Yes, it is, but it’s limited to the Sovereign, and also to the State. It also exists in other countries that don’t have a Sovereign, it covers their head of state. See: Donald Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity
Yes, it is, but it’s limited to the Sovereign, and also to the State. It also exists in other countries that don’t have a Sovereign, it covers their head of state. See: Donald Trump.
Genuinely interesting to know. I get (in the complex area of geopolitics) that a state and even an elected head of state might be immune to prosecution (whilst in office) but I'm not in love with the beneficiary of an act of fate being immune from prosecution if I'm honest. Especially as it's a lifetime gig and that immunity is then handed on to your eldest through yet another act of fate.
All that said, it's just one element of the insanity of monarchy I suppose, amongst even lower fruit.
Once you open the door to the press and use the press to your advantage then its very hard to put a stop to it. Live by the sword and die by it. Complaints about press intrusion when your main reason for being is press manipulation ring hollow at best
For sure..I'm sure Kate knew what she was signing up for when she married william.
But you could argue Harry had no choice, he was born into a family, with no say in the matter. You can choose your friend's but you can't choose your family, etc.
I don't really care that much in this particular context, but I think there's an important disctinction to be made between making a choice and being somehow obligated.
@countzero Liz was reported to have attempted to influence legislation that affected her financially over 20 times (Guardian a few years ago, don't have a link).
Separately the same paper had an article today about how the Windsors have traded on celebrity for decades and as a result have limited arguments to a fully private life.
it’s certainly taken attention away from *that other thing*
Makes you think, eh.
Prince TurboNonce Andy?
Which laws, exactly?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/14/queen-immunity-british-laws-private-property
it’s certainly taken attention away from *that other thing*
Makes you think, eh.
Prince TurboNonce Andy?
No, the alleged infidelity. Like father, like son…
More hints above. We’re being played like fiddles.
Sorry but no, there is absolutely no reason for the public to know on people’s health matters regardless of who they are. Harry refers to what the media did to his mother his choosing to move away from the media.
R4 discussing how this would be painted in the media if Meghan or Biden had done this. They’d be vilified.
Release the original photo and put all this to bed.
No, the alleged infidelity. Like father, like son…
More hints above. We’re being played like fiddles.
Not that. Something else. Can't say obviously, but if you know, you know.
You know.
Well it seems to be level pegging over which branch of the Royal Family is making a mess of their media.
Not that. Something else. Can’t say obviously, but if you know, you know.
The great thing about making vague allusions is that you never get proved to be a bullshitter.
I know something terrible about that poster. Better not say it on here but...you know.
Oh FFS - I don't know what they're 'covering up' any more than I know what PCA thinks I've done. This is the level of 'royal speculation' that we're at.
Yes, I hear rumours of infidelity, of fruity sexual preferences, that KC3 is iller than they're letting on....... or maybe there is something else. I have no inside knowledge and no real interest other than we've managed to get to 5 pages on something we apparently have no interest in either.
Not that. Something else. Can’t say obviously, but if you know, you know.
You know.
I'm assuming this was meant to be sarcastic but sometimes just because you can doesn’t mean that you should.
Sorry but no, there is absolutely no reason for the public to know on people’s health matters regardless of who they are.
This.
Everyone bar none has the right to a private life.
Last I checked Kate isn't a monarch either.
I’m assuming this was meant to be sarcastic but sometimes just because you can doesn’t mean that you should.
Yes. Apologies to anyone that is annoyed, I thought the codeword being used made it obvious enough.
Makes you think.
I also think PCA should disclose what they know. I'm suddenly a lot more interesting than I realised 😉
It's Kate that needed surgery, so unless we're starting a new rumour I don't think that's completely relevant. 😉
I also think PCA should disclose what they know. I’m suddenly a lot more interesting than I realised
You say that, but you also left me the envelope of money in the toilets at Victoria Station like normal, so you're safe for another month.
(Mind you, leaving deposits in odd places is what got you into this mess, isn't it...).
The conspiracy fruits are in full swing. Took about two minutes on streetview to explain away the latest 'ZOMG they forgot to photoshop out the bricks!!!' nonsense.
You say that, but you also left me the envelope of money in the toilets at Victoria Station like normal, so you’re safe for another month.
Ah, now that is libellous and I demand a retraction, apologies, and a payment to charity or else.
I just read that “William beat up Kate and killed her boyfriend. Then she was taken to a clinic for a “termination” which led to complications and now she’s either dead or in a coma” on Twitter.
Pretty heavy stuff to be writing on an open platform with, presumably, no a proof whatsoever?
"Pretty heavy stuff to be writing on an open platform with, presumably, no a proof whatsoever?"
That seems to be X in a nutshell. It used to be great for news you wouldn't see elsewhere but now it is like the Mash but without the comedy value 🙁
Just for clarity, all this started as a picture kill notice was issued by one of the wire agencies as the picture had been doctored, which is something that isn't allowed on the wire service, they would have informed the other wire agencies immediately and they all dropped it.
When spokespeople refer to 'The Agencies' they're not talking about all photo and news agencies but specifically the five main wire agencies, that being The Associated Press (AP), The Press Association (PA), Agence France-Presse (AFP), Reuters and to a lesser extent EPA ( European Pressphoto Agency and their sister agency EFE).
Despite what others have written on here photo manipulation is strictly forbidden on any of the wire agencies and is an instant sackable offence, in fact one photographer who worked for another agency but shot a Royal rota which which was shared with the wires was recently sacked as he'd manipulated one of the pictures, he'd worked for the same agency for thirty years, they also stripped all of his pictures out of their archive, the integrity of the wire is something that's taken very seriously.
The conspiracy fruits are in full swing. Took about two minutes on streetview to explain away the latest ‘ZOMG they forgot to photoshop out the bricks!!!’ nonsense.
Having said that, now either I've succumbed to conspiracy fever, or The Sun has been taken for a ride with the latest video and someone is laughing their arse off about it. Or Kensington Palace is just trolling us now. 🙂
She was in the photo from one of our club social rides last weekend, so she can't be that poorly
I’m more worried that despite not ever subscribing to conspiracy theories even I have read a few tweets on this nonsense and now my twitter feed will be spammed with fake moon landing and alien abduction pics!
She was in the photo from one of our club social rides last weekend, so she can’t be that poorly
But did she drop Wills in the village sign sprint? The public has a right to know.
But did she drop Wills in the village sign sprint? The public has a right to know.
What interests the public isn't always in the public interest.