Not really. When you type or do other things quickly your fingers get trained in a certain way. For example, the close buttons I are in the top right of the window in Ubuntu and the top right in Windows. It was months and months before my mouse stopped going to the top right to close a window.
?+W. Always quicker.
It is possible to learn two systems instinctively, but it's a pain and it takes longer.
Just bootcamp it then?
It's just perverse of Apple to make their keyboards different to the way everyone else does.
Nice to have options sometimes. It's like BMW offering people a car that goes sideways in the snow. They should just copy everyone else, but it's good there is choice.
Yeh that is a fair point, I can switch between windows and various mainstream Linux flavors pretty efficiently for day to day productivity.
Put me in front of a Mac and I have to google basic stuff like copy and paste.
They are a bit backwards in that respect, and they are PC's anyway in all but OS. And they are too expensive.
Therefore I'm not interested in macs at all, I'd gain nothing from getting one other than an annoying learning curve.
Right. For the next 10 mins post your Mac questions.
A lot of it is very simple. Just swap CTRL for ? (Command Key) and in most case keyboard shortcuts are the same.
So ?+C = CTRL+C etc.
Molls. It works both ways. I never look at my keyboard. And the stuff I do all the time I couldn't tell you what pull down menu they're in. I just know the command keys for everything. Using, say, illustrator on a Mac involves holding down any combination of keys to do fundamental stuff. CMD/shift/alt keys mainly, in conjunction with another key. So when I get on a PC everything is now in the 'wrong place'.
I hate PC's! HATE THEM! Agricultural equipment IMHO. Like getting out of a Ferrari and being handed the keys to a tractor
You hate Macs
Please just put it back where you found it. Or even better, send it to me 🙂 we've 3 Macs in the household at the moment - Mrs Binners is a recent convert who now also regards PCs with equal disdain - but there's always room for one more
What is this track pad you talk of?
I have googled it and I'm still none the wiser.
I find it amusing how anyone could hate either.
Ok I'll go first, wtf is
and why is it necessary??
It's witchcraft. That's what it is
Jamie - MemberI find it amusing how anyone could hate either.
We need to get back to discussing the real issues, like flats vs clips, 29 vs 27.5, petrol vs diesel, petrol and diesel vs electric, cyclists vs drivers, republicans vs democrats, labour vs conservatives, people vs dogs and middle class people vs their neighbours.
I don't hate it, it's just different and simple processes seems more complicated. I don't think their cult like following is justified.
I remember that little squiggly key from the macs we used at school in the early 90s
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Ok I'll go first, wtf is?
and why is it necessary?
It's the Command key, and it's for initiating shortcuts. Like the Control key does for windows.
It's in roughly the same place as the Control key, and has been around for nearly 40 years.
It's witchcraft. That's what it is
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Have i been transported back to the late 90's or early 2000's....
OS Fanboys need to move on.
They are both really good mature operating systems, with their own quirks and slightly different user paradigms. There is much more in common between them, than different.
The only things about windows 10 which annoys me is the amount of data it sends home about what you do, and i find the default settings around the task bar and start menu, massively cluttered. However you can get rid of all that and you can kill cortana eventually. Turning on my new laptop to be presented with adverts for candy crush, really is not on for a product which i paid for.
This is true, having to spend an hour or so configuring a fresh win 10 to stop sending data back to the mothership is a pain in the arse. And then checking it again every time you get an update, very sneaky like that.
In all honesty I'd use Ubuntu or mint full time but I like to game a bit too so windows is the only option for that.
Put me in front of a Mac and I have to google basic stuff like copy and paste.
Not difficult. I had to learn how to use a Mac at the same time I had to learn how to use a Crosfield 6250 drum scanner, having been using a basic PC with CorelDraw, and the initial learning curve was very steep.*
But nowhere near as steep as learning how to use sodding Illustrator! I also had to get to grips with Photoshop at the same time as the Mac OS, 9.0 at the time, so your problems are tiny ones, Mol.
I deliberately set about learning the keyboard shortcuts for the most common commands, especially in Ps, and after a little while I didn't even bother having the various tool menus on screen I could swap brushes, change brush size, soften and harden the brush edges and a whole bunch of other stuff without looking.
Couldn't do it now, I'm over a decade out of practice, but for Chris'sakes, C'n'p is a basic function it should take all of thirty seconds to learn.
I have used a W10 machine for a bit, the continual pop-up dialogue boxes for just about every bloody thing drove me nuts, and nothing was where it should be on the keyboard, why couldn't they follow convention and have a proper layout? And what's that stupid key with the window symbol for? 😉
Oh, and Mol, you do realise that it wasn't until Apple licensed/bought the GUI from IBM that IBM didn't think was of any use on mainframe computers that Gates copied it and started using it on MSDos, which then became Windows, much like Google did with Android, which until Apple introduced the iPhone and iOS was just a direct copy of the Blackberry OS, so it's not Apple who've got their keyboard wrong, they've been using the same format from the very beginning.
*That was around 1995...
I think you mean Xerox where Steve Jobs saw the GUI and he didn’t license it, he just made his own.
The copy/paste actions, both on the keyboard and via the GUI, have remained exactly the same since the 1984 launch of the original Mac OS. That’s an extraordinary level of consistency in the IT industry.
Rachel
Running Win on my mac laptop in Bootcamp I fall foul of some of the key remapping - I use alt-arrow key a lot to move around text when I'm editing (skips a word at a time),
Do that with the right hand alt key on a mac and it changes the screen orientation. Kit it quickly 5 or 6 times and the screen just sits there for 10 seconds flashing at you until you can get back control
yip, both are great.Jamie - Member
I find it amusing how anyone could hate either.
I find it amusing how anyone could hate either.
Yip, both are shit.
The produce of nerds who were bullied at school and are now taking their vengeance out on normal people.
It's easy to hate Windows as its been so enormously cr@p for the longest time. Each new release was supposed to be the greatest thing except they weren't, later to be slagged off by some of the same fanbois. Oh Win 10 is great if you don't mind buying new peripherals as your working-perfectly-under-Win-7 devices no longer function.
A lot of it is very simple. Just swap CTRL for ? (Command Key) and in most case keyboard shortcuts are the same.
So ?+C = CTRL+C etc.
This. Like Jamie says, I am sure they did this on purpose.
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Yip, both are shit.
The produce of nerds who were bullied at school and are now taking their vengeance out on normal people.
Reading some of your posts, I feel you could benefit from a basic IT course, or maybe the dummies books could help?
p.s If you cannot use Windows or Macs in their simplest terms, then you're outside of the normal my friend.
So, I've hit my first problem. Well - my second. My first was that I set it up then went on holiday for two weeks so forgot the password of course. No matter, there was nothing on there so I can just use the recovery partition to reinstall the OS.
So I've deleted the encrypted partition, re-created a new unencrypted one and used the recovery utility to reinstall macOS Sierra. Nice and easy, except it's not working. Just sitting there, the progress bar has not left the blocks and it still says 6 minutes remaining as it did when I started.
Any ideas?
Is it downloading itself from the internet? Without telling me?
Good job I'm not on a metered connection!
quick google pops up this, not sure if relevant, haven't read it all, just a quick scan. I'll let you read it! 😆
https://www.easeus.com/mac-file-recovery/macos-sierra-update-stuck-or-fail.html
Have you tried turning it off, then turning it back on again?
I thought Macs didn't need that?
They don't. At least they don't when anyone else other than you is involved
Jus' 'sayin
Oh... and you owe Binners IT Support Ltd £300 for that
Ok so here's something. When I use Cmd+Space to bring up the spotlight search thingy for an app, I have to type in exactly the name of the app, do I? In Windows I can type in for example 'Word' or 'Wo' and it finds Microsoft Word. Seems that in Sierra I have to start typing the exact name i.e. 'Microsoft Wo'.
That correct?
Nope, molgrips. it does a smart search.
Do you find you have problems with shoe-laces, doors, bottle openers and other non-windows based stuff you encounter Molls? Or is this purely a Mac-related thing? 😉
When I type wo I get some folder.. when I type in word I get normal.dotm. That's *so* intuitive, I wonder why Microsoft haven't thought of it? 🙂
Here's what 'Sherlock' (for all us older users) gives when I type wo
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I'm guessing you've remapped your keyboard to give non-standard output.
Of course I haven't. But I don't get that. Not a problem to type extra - just wondering what its behaviour is meant to be.
Could be that your disk isn't fully indexed yet if you nuked and re-installed. It can take a few days even with it running with your login-active.
Of course I haven't.
Of course you haven't what?
As a follow up it can be a bit slow to react while indexing if you've lots of music and documents to catalogue.
Maybe because I haven't used word much yet?
Unlikely, as I use word very rarely. The last time was over a month ago.
So here's another one. On Windows, if I get a facebook message it pings on all three of my devices (computer and two phones). Then when I respond on one of them for a period of time it only notifies me on the device I've actually used to reply.
That doesn't seem to happen on the Mac? I am getting ping spammed constantly. Something to do with notifications being managed centrally on MacOS perhaps...?
Anyone else get this, or not?
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You don't need God to make it stop. You can make it stop. Just don't open the thread. Do us all a favour.
I think we need a thread where binners is forced to work on a pc for a week! 😆
if I get a facebook message it pings on all three of my devices (computer and two phones)
Weird. The default behaviour should be for it only to notify you on whatever MacOS/iOS device you're currently using - in your case either your Mac or one of your two iPhones. No idea why that isn't working properly.That doesn't seem to happen on the Mac? I am getting ping spammed constantly.
